LeBron's start most efficient ever?

[FTBS]

I'm not comparing people's "attempts per game" to LeBron's. It's well documented that LeBron will keep shooting if he's around 50% for the game.

What I'm comparing is the fact that a Reggie Miller would go down shooting while LeBron, if he's not around 50% would become a Franchise Decoy Player and start passing the ball to others and let his team go down that way.

Pretty much, alot of us prefer Superstar players to go down swinging......that's not LeBron and we dont have to be impressed by that just because you are

Also, you bring Isiah Thomas but he never STOPPED trying to score because his FG% was low, Bird didnt, Stephen Curry doesnt do it, Barkley didnt do it, etc. Efficiency became a big thing over the years because that's something the stat boys can hold on too as why LeBron's their favorite player.

Yes, LeBron has "pretty" STATS and is John Hollinger's wet dream. However, basketball isnt played on "stats" and star players of years past didnt care about shooting %'s. Without looking, what's Magic Johnson career FG% again? You dont know because that's NEVER been a topic of discussion

I find it funny that everyone is all about efficiency now, but when Steve Nash was shooting 50%+ FG and 40% + 3pt....there were no talks about him being the best PG "because of his efficency". No, it was "he's not better than Chris Paul/Deron Williams/Jason Kidd"

Nobody ever brings up the fact that Iggy at 6'6 SF is shooting 61% from the field as well and putting up 15 a night. Nobody talks about Wade's high FG% and efficency. Steph Curry? Mo Cheeks has the highest FG% in NBA History for a PG at 52.3% FG for his career........not one POST has ever been made on this board talking about Mo Cheeks

But, LeBron? He's the only player in the NBA who's shooting efficiency matters though right

You do realize that PPG is a stat right? Plenty of players throughout history including Kobe and Mike have cared about PPG and recieved plenty of props off that stat, including in this thread that isn't about them. Conversely many all time great like Russell and Magic and Bird didn't care about that stat. What's that gotta do with this stat that we are talking about now and that some of us are impressed by? If you don't like stats then cool but you can't just single out certain stats. If you wanna dismiss stats you gotta dismiss them all.

You really gonna act like Nash wasn't sucked off? You really gonna act like that? Steph is not getting sucked off? Are you really bringing up a nikka in Iggy who shoots half as many shots as Lebron and is the 3rd option ie not the main focus of the opposing teams D? Wades efficiency is pretty much the only argument left for him. You really expect nikkas to be talking about Mo fukking Cheeks in 2013? All this because Lebron is getting props for his shooting %. BTW when were any of those guys either the best player or biggest start in the L?

Lebron is the best player in the game doing shyt historic shyt, it's gonna get attention breh.

 

[Draje]

Jordan was efficient, but he never slowed his game up because he found out he was shooting under 45% for the game like LeBron does, because he didnt care about that. It was all about doing whatever he had to do in order to win and if he had to keep attempting to score, that's what he did

Andre Iguodala is also averaging 15 ppg and shooting 61% from the field as well this season......and he's only 6'6. I should then safely assume that you consider Iguodala more impressive currently than anyone else in the NBA this season (except LeBron) or the past couple seasons right? I mean efficiency > everything else right

You're a moron.

Lebron is putting up 26 PPG ON EXTREMELY high efficiency while being the first option on offense and the primary playmaker for his team.

Iggy is putting up a whopping 11 less points on similar efficiency while being the third option on his team. That's a huge difference.

Again, you're arguing that Lebron shooting the ball 11 more times wouldn't average at least 9 more PPG. You're a moron.

Only on the Coli is Lebron realizing he's not shooting well so he starts using elite court vision, passing, and playmaking ability to lead his team to victory a FLAW!

Lebron's efficiency is talked about because perimeter players simply aren't able to score a high PPG on such a consistent basis. It's historically impressive display of basketball IQ and scoring ability.

 

[FTBS]

Yes. You're missing my entire post apparently. Nowhere did I say mike was out there acting like you got extra points for degree of difficulty.

The point is Mike (and pretty much every great scorer ever) went out and looked for the best shot. He may not have been overly concerned with his shooting % but he did go out there and try to find the most efficient means of putting points on the board.

 

[Draje]

It's not even an argument as far as LeBron "as a player" vs Kobe "as a player" that im trying to make.

It's more of the thread talking about efficiency, and I'm like when the fukk did that start putting players over the next? If that's the case, Wade should've been widely considered better than Kobe years ago, but that was never the consensus.

There shouldnt have been arguments that LeBron was better than Carmelo when Carmelo had better shooting efficiency in 4 of their first 5 seasons, but yet these same people in this thread arguing FOR efficiency today, were the same one's saying LeBron > Carmelo back then.

Why isnt John Stockton considered the hand's down GOAT PG, when he has 12 seasons where he shot 50+% from the field averaging 17 ppg, 14 apg, and 3 spg?

It's just like

Because efficiency isn't the only thing that matters but it's very important.

Kobe is actually pretty damn efficient for a high volume shooter like himself and it separates him from players like AI, Ellis, Gay, or the like.

Lebron is just on another level of efficiency and he scores at Kobe-ish numbers (26 PPG on 60% >>> 35 PPG on 45%) while averaging pretty much more EVERYTHING which is unheard of.

 

[FTBS]

I wouldn’t say it’s negative either. But it shows the “Efficiency” statistic can be manipulated fairly easily. The stat is not an objective measure because it can be manipulated. You have Wade and LeBron who are conscious of wanting to shoot 50 percent. Meaning Wade and LeBron manipulate their numbers.

Right because nikkas aren't conscious of PPG or RPG or any other stats and looking to "manipulate" those either right? Stats only count if nikkas aren't actively trying to compile them?

 

[Draje]

And what's this idea that Lebron isn't doing everything he can to win because he isn't a gunner?

Lebron being super efficient, picking his shots, and being an all-around dominant force just led to repeat rings with him as the most important factor.

He looks for the best shot available and tries some different things out to help the team. Perfect example was his Finaks performance against the Thunder.

He wasn't shooting well so he took advantage of abusing the weaker Thunder in the post, passing out the double, and spreading the floor which lead to them crushing the Thunder, the same team that had Durant guarding Kobe in the fourth and forcing him into ugly numbers that same year.

Lebron does what he needs to help his team when. He can drop 45 in an elimination game without batting an eye, turn into a playmaker out of the post, lockdown an elite PG, help on the glass against a bigger team, etc.

 

[AkaDemiK]

current giving the magic that efficient work....keep hating niggets

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

The point is Mike (and pretty much every great scorer ever) went out and looked for the best shot. He may not have been overly concerned with his shooting % but he did go out there and try to find the most efficient means of putting points on the board.

And that's my point. Bron is overly concerned about his shooting %. He's stated as much and it's evident when you watch him play.

 

[FTBS]

And that's my point. Bron is overly concerned about his shooting %. He's stated as much and it's evident when you watch him play.

It's only overly concerned if he's negatively affecting his team. Are you suggesting that Bron looking to be efficient ie maximizing his offensive productivity somehow hurts the Heat?

 

[Draje]

I wouldn’t say it’s negative either. But it shows the “Efficiency” statistic can be manipulated fairly easily. The stat is not an objective measure because it can be manipulated. You have Wade and LeBron who are conscious of wanting to shoot 50 percent. Meaning Wade and LeBron manipulate their numbers.

How does being conscious of it mean anything? WTF kinda basketball player isn't concerned with doing the best thing for his team?

Lebron is trying to be as efficient as possible while still being one of the most dominant scorers we've ever seen.

He's putting up numbers comparable to scoring GREATS, dudes who were KNOWN for their ABILITY TO SCORE, on higher efficiency while being a great passer and rebounder.

Kobe is known as one of the greatest scorers of all time and a dude who has a gunner mentality and Lebron is literally scoring 9 less points on 11 less attempts while trying to get his teammates involved than Kobe's most chucker-happy season ever.

 

[YoungMoneyCashMoneyBoy]

It's only overly concerned if he's negatively affecting his team. Are you suggesting that Bron looking to be efficient ie maximizing his offensive productivity somehow hurts the Heat?

It's overly concerned when you flat out say, "me and D-Wade are having a competition right now about who can shoot 50 percent."

Are you playing to win or playing for stats? As I said, Jordan's efficiency was a byproduct of his dominance, not some concentrated and orchestrated effort to reach 50% because he had a bet with scottie that he could do so.

 

[Da_Eggman]

@Newzz you love to write fukking essays lol

 

[FTBS]

It's overly concerned when you flat out say, "me and D-Wade are having a competition right now about who can shoot 50 percent."

Are you playing to win or playing for stats? As I said, Jordan's efficiency was a byproduct of his dominance, not some concentrated and orchestrated effort to reach 50% because he had a bet with scottie that he could do so.

Teammates having a competition about who can do something that benefits the team better...oh the horror .

Once again how does Lebron scoring at a high clip hurt his team? Should the nikka not be trying to be efficient? Should he be aiming to shoot poorly?

 

[Malta]

It's overly concerned when you flat out say, "me and D-Wade are having a competition right now about who can shoot 50 percent."

Are you playing to win or playing for stats? As I said, Jordan's efficiency was a byproduct of his dominance, not some concentrated and orchestrated effort to reach 50% because he had a bet with scottie that he could do so.

If it's not hurting his team, who cares? The Heat are an awful rebounding team, if they don't take efficient shots the odds of them getting the offensive board are extremely low.

Also, the Jordan stuff is hilarious when Jordan did in fact play for stats at times, in 88-89 he was pissed off at all the attention Magic was getitng for being an "all around" player and that is when he went on his triple double run where he had 10 in 11 games. In several of those games he got exactly 10 rebounds or assists, basically he was going out of his way to get them and they were 5-6 in that stretch.

 

[Draje]

It's overly concerned when you flat out say, "me and D-Wade are having a competition right now about who can shoot 50 percent."

Are you playing to win or playing for stats? As I said, Jordan's efficiency was a byproduct of his dominance, not some concentrated and orchestrated effort to reach 50% because he had a bet with scottie that he could do so.

They just won a damn title doing this, it benefits the team because they are awful at offensive rebounds, and Lebron being smarter with his shots has made him a more dangerous scorer in general.

How is this a damn flaw?