My problem with people arguing Brees being “top 5 all time” is that there was never one season where he was the undisputed Best QB in the league. He’s the 4th best QB of his own era, so how can he be top 5 all time?
Yeah he definitely isn't Top 5 All-Time. Its a hard sell keeping him out of Top 10, though. He's possibly the most accurate QB ever, who in his prime was a machine gunner. I disagree with people calling him a stat padder---->most of those early Saints teams (06-15 or so) had shytty defenses around him, and at barely 6' he was asked to carry that squad annually, and he did it fearlessly...
He wasn't a stat padder, he had some awful defensive support. He's easily a Top 10 GOAT...
HOF QB
Choker
A notch below Peyton
Top 10ish
I dont know that I'd agree with choker, either. His arm dissolved into a fukking noodle in last quarter '18, the way Manning's did in 4Q '14---->both were having MVP caliber seasons and "the cliff" slammed the fukk out of them both outta nowhere...
Once his arm left him in late '18, he was never yhe same. He still had some strong moments here abd there, but he was never consistently great again in his last 2.25 seasons. And its these last few seasons people use to call him a choker, but its age more than anything else. Young Brees was a machine gunner and a certified baller...
First ballot HOF
Top 10 all time
Was never quite Brady Manning level (maybe Rodgers too but if Rodgers doesn't get in the Super Bowl this season the casuals will start to "turn" on him too)
He should be good with his legacy. He's got one ring at least.
The separation between Rodgers and Brees isn't great---->Rodgers is better and proved it over the length of their careers but people are acting like there weren't years Brees wasnt arguably the best QB in football and MVP. '09 and '11 jump out particularly, he was every bit as good as Peyton and Rodgers those years...
Brees deserved an MVP and this shytting on him for never having won one is ridiculous; the pretending he never was on par with Rodgers is wack too! Again, I think the duration of both careers has proven Rodgers as better, but most people think '11 was peak Rodgers, abd Brees was insane that year also...
Rodgers is comparable to Manning in many ways, but thats a different thread. He's kind of in the midpoint between Manning and Brees, but i do acknowledge winning another ring while still playing at an elite level brings him about even to Manning. Losing another NFC title game doesn't, and it doesn't matter how they lose it, it doesn't hurt his standing next to Brees regardless, but this dude is way too talented to be a loser in 4 of 5 NFC Championships. He can't be hurt in relation to Brees, but his elevation to any higher level is hurt immensely...
There is not a major gap between Rodgers and Brees...
Probably the most overrated QB ive seen
he owes everything to Sean Peyton
Saints should’ve moved on a couple years ago
they wasted some championship caliber rosters on him the last couple seasons
Moved on to who? We'll see Payton's value when he has full seasons without Brees upcoming...
I dont see how Rodgers is in the Brady-Manning tier, but not Brees. Honestly, Brady may be in his own tier. Depeding on how we judge QB's.
You ain't wrong----->Rodgers is not close to Brady and is only just now approaching Manning. I will
gladly debate Rodgers and Manning in a separate thread, the best he can do this year is draw even with Manning...
Granted, guys are playing longer now, and he's only in Y13 as a starter, so hypothetically it is not at all outta the realm of possibility he passes Manning definitively with a few more elite years. But we're talking right now, he is not Manning's equal yet and can't pass him
this year regardless of outcome...
i don't think big ben is a better QB, BUT that came to my mind immediately. big ben definitely the one next to him as far as #4/5
I got Phillip Rivers not far behind them too, but obviously he is missing the ring.
Ben is def the #5 QB of his era, only guy with an argument would be Wilson if we're going full post-2000. I have a Ben legacy thread waiting too coming soon, he deserves a lot more flowers than this board gives him...
Hes behind Brees but not by much...
like i said brady is in a whole new tier, but i get your point.
What brees needed was 1 more great run. too bad his arm got shot. all he needed was 1 more. i mean he didn't even have to win the ring. all he had to do is get there and just play well enough.
this is a great saints squad. yall too loyal to brees, but honestly he should've retired 4 years ago. yall wasted some great prime years of your nice skilled players.
Brees has been ready to retire. When the Saints got good again 4 years ago, he saw a SB window and only stayed to win it again. If they got it in '17, he woulda retired then. Ditto for '18 or '19. He didn't stay to pad stats, thats for sure...