He wasn't elite. That's why they drafted Rivers. Brees wouldn't have a career if it wasn't for Payton.
Without that Super Bowl win that Sean Payton won on that onside kick, his legacy is only slightly better than Matt Ryan tbh
They kept him in for most of the game despite the fact that he now has pork cutlets for shoulder ligaments and can't sling the ball anymore.
I understand people not fukkin with him because of the comments he made this summer, but hes def top 10 all time. He and Payton brought New Orleans Saints from being the laughing stock of the league to a consistent contender each year for damn near 15 years... As a Eagles fan I hated the Saints, they always kicked our ass. And he had some great talent to work with.... Deuce to Pierre to Sproles to Ingram and Kamara. He made the most out of Marques Colston and Jimmy Graham and Lance Moore... some goat offenses
First-Ballot HOF QB with enough statistical excellence and awards (2X OPOY, SB, SB MVP) to have a GOAT argument but he does not pass the eye test for said argument and he arguably held on a year or two too long. He's top 8, top 10 though. Certified.
Yeah, I definitely can't rock with this... Calling him Steve Nash is highly disrespectful. Brees spent five years in San Diego and was clearly ascending as a player when he hurt his shoulder. This wasn't some unproven commodity, SD was going off the premise he would never be the same because of the injury... Part of his legacy HAS to be how the Chargers misjudged his bounceback potential and mishandled negotiations, because that franchise, but for two or three seasons, has been kicking the tires ever since, while Brees completely transformed the Saints organization. Thats part of his story and legacy, these dummies took the unproven potential of Rivers over Brees and got nothing but more January's at home than playoff appearances out of it... What superior players is Brees rated higher than? This thread seriously makes me believe alot of you just dont remember when dude was at the top of his game, cats are characterizing him as a dink and dunk specialist as if you can put up multiple 5000 yard seasons without being able to stretch the field. Cats calling him a stat padder without recognizing that if he wasnt so prolific throwing the ball, the Saints woulda been the Aints all over again... Nash never hit a peak the way Brees did, Brees' big misfortune, other than aging into ass after the Saints finally got good again circa 2017, is having the prime of his career parallel the primes of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers, while subsequently carrying average offensive talent (he and Payton really had Jimmy fukking Graham looking like a Hall Of Famer and that dude ain't been shyt since he left NO) and piss poor-to-downright horrendous defenses in his prime.... Dude is not without flaw---->he didn't play well outside of dome or warm weather environments when it counted nor did he play well on the road; he was a gunslinger and always was prone to a couple multi-turnover games each year, because his responsibility was so great he cost his team Ws more than a few times trying to press shyt; and ultimately for as prolific a passer as he was, far too many times it was big numbers and 7-9, 8-8 seasons, there was a ceiling to exactly how high he could take you without more elite skill around him, and that last point is a stark contrast to Rodgers, who has made more happen when he had less... So Brees certainly isn't without criticism but you can't name 10 QBs in the history of the sport who did it better... This is not a crazy analysis. Trust me dog, I've told cats a few times on here that they undervalue Roethlisberger and the carry job he gave Pittsburgh most of the last decade. He's underrated too, and like others I agree his white privilege got him favor with all those rapes, sexual conducts, other incidents like the bike crash, that black players woulda got the book thrown at them for....but strictly speaking on his value and performance as a player, Ben is clearly an All-Timer (on the lower end but an All-Timer regardless)... So we're gonna find out very soon, just like the Belichick/Brady thing, who was more valuable in the Brees/Payton relationship. I know one thing, not just any run of the mill quarterback could've played under Payton the last 15 years and done the things Brees did, he deserves his just due...
Nash was an all star in Dallas but like Drew no one had him pegged for all time status when they changed teams. I said "will" be put over. In the aftermath of his career, Nash has somehow leapfrogged AI and Zeke. I could see a similar thing happening with Brees. Folks have been quick to bring up ARod or Peyton when they ready to suck dude off so I wouldn't put it past folk to start saying silly shyt a few years from now. Nash was a 2 time MVP that many credit with the bringing the more wide open, up and down, high scoring style to the modern game. That's a pretty substantial peak.
thats not true he has some years wear he was the best qb but the media would never crown him they were to busy dikkriding peyton and brady when he was actually out performing them
Top 10. Did it at 6 feet, made the Saints relevant, brought a championship post-Katrina, stupid numbers and longevity.
