Lets be real, Jay only made DOA cause he was bitter Ron Brownz was shouting out etherboy
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Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Let's also be real, Jay's legacy has been hugely inflated as a result of work done in the PR department. Nobody attributed that phrase to him until they were brainwashed by The Source Magazine and XXL
Do you know how Michael Jackson got the name King of Pop? He made a deal with every major TV outlet to debut his new music video at the same time and the only way they would be able to get the music video (and keep people from switching to the other channel) was to explicitly refer to him as the king of pop a certain number of times over a period of a few weeks. And they strictly forbidden from doing so before or after discussing any negative news or topics . . because that's how fickle the plebian mind is. As Malcolm X said there's no slavery worse than mental slavery. The plebian mind subjugated to consumerism, which is the inverse of capitalism. The consumer essentially harvests it's living wage and then spends this money buying products that are mostly offered by the subsidiaries of just a few major corporations.
If I say king of pop now to anyone they know who that title belongs to and although he lives up to the title there was nothing organic about how he attained it
Back to Jay Z, there's absolutely no consistency in quality and there really hasn't been a point where he was ever the #1 guy, so that means both the quality of his catalog and his impact is greatly overstated
It's kinda like people saying Fabolous is a great rapper just because he's been around awhile . . . mind you, not achieving anything
Off subject but I had to say that, knowing that someone will get caught up in their feelings and try to confront me with an argument that is rooted in emotion and devoid of fact . . but I tell it like it is
but I guess if we agree that the marginalized standard of hip-hop greatness is simply staying around, which certainly counts for something on the industry level
#WallyWisdom
Do you know how Michael Jackson got the name King of Pop? He made a deal with every major TV outlet to debut his new music video at the same time and the only way they would be able to get the music video (and keep people from switching to the other channel) was to explicitly refer to him as the king of pop a certain number of times over a period of a few weeks. And they strictly forbidden from doing so before or after discussing any negative news or topics . . because that's how fickle the plebian mind is. As Malcolm X said there's no slavery worse than mental slavery. The plebian mind subjugated to consumerism, which is the inverse of capitalism. The consumer essentially harvests it's living wage and then spends this money buying products that are mostly offered by the subsidiaries of just a few major corporations.
If I say king of pop now to anyone they know who that title belongs to and although he lives up to the title there was nothing organic about how he attained it
Back to Jay Z, there's absolutely no consistency in quality and there really hasn't been a point where he was ever the #1 guy, so that means both the quality of his catalog and his impact is greatly overstated
It's kinda like people saying Fabolous is a great rapper just because he's been around awhile . . . mind you, not achieving anything
Off subject but I had to say that, knowing that someone will get caught up in their feelings and try to confront me with an argument that is rooted in emotion and devoid of fact . . but I tell it like it is
but I guess if we agree that the marginalized standard of hip-hop greatness is simply staying around, which certainly counts for something on the industry level
#WallyWisdom
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Brehs, I just went back to go listen to Ether...
That shyt is a lyrical homicide. I see why Jay shed tears on the radio, that's the hardest beef track ever and it's all about him...he had to be
when he heard that shyt.....that song pushed him into retirement and change his swag forever, he basically left the block after this track 
....that's crazy
That shyt is a lyrical homicide. I see why Jay shed tears on the radio, that's the hardest beef track ever and it's all about him...he had to bewhen he heard that shyt.....that song pushed him into retirement and change his swag forever, he basically left the block after this track ....that's crazywingstop
Superstar
ETHER BOY 
Kilgore Trout
Banned
Nope Jay -Z was undoubtedly the number 1 guy when big pimping came out
Same with I just wanna love you (give it to me)
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Now you're going to explain to me why Eminem doesn't count and how Dr. Dre wasn't in the midst releasing a landmark album that changed the standard of the genre's soundscape
and that Pharrell song you mentioned was not a song that had Jay Z at the top spot, maybe you had that perception because your radio station had it in rotation a bit more than others
Kilgore Trout
Banned
Nobody ever considered Eminem at the top of the rap game, he was respected though.
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
Eminem outsold him and had a bigger impact, even if it was on an audience that may of not normally tuned into hip-hop
and regardless having two hot singles doesn't make up for an inconsistent discography that's hit or miss at best
I'm in no way undermining what he's does but just looking at it realistically
Kilgore Trout
Banned
Eminem was respected and looked at as the Great white rapper but at the time Jay-Z was considered the best rapper in the game and probably the coolest dude in pop culture.
you can try to rewrite history all you want to prove whatever point you're trying to make but I was there. We felt his impact.
Jay-Z was what Drake is now.
They act as if they get paid to defend him.
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
He might of had the best position in the hip-hop world at the time but I never saw a level of influence or exposure that was on par Snoop '93, Biggie '94 and into '95, Tupac '96, Eminem in the early 2000s or 50 Cent in '03
And I'm not stating this to be a disqualifier. Those levels of success above are contingent on singles that are will satiate the pop market transcend the regular confines of the genre's reach and a well-oiled marketing machine in full swing with you set as top priority
I don't need that to evaluate his legacy and I don't place much a premium on it. My perception of the situation may not be the proper measure of perception, it was over 16 years ago and I may of had other priorities at the time, either way I'm not going to suggest that my perception that is the best barometer to evaluate his success. If he did indeed have an undisputed claim to that #1 spot than I would attest that the influence of hip-hop's crown may of been at it's lowest . . and on a mainstream level you have someone else who is clearly a phenomenon at the time, so perhaps that detracted from the influence of his spot at the time and his spot was short lived because 2001 came out at the end of that year and Dre was so hot that the member's of his camp were absorbing some of the sign, I recognize Dr. Dre's reign and his influence at that moment. I recognize DMX's . . who at the time I viewed as a bigger figure than Jay Z
That area wasn't feeling the effects of the download era so why don't you post up some of those numbers from the sales of rap albums in 1999 . . because this notion that Jay Z was number 1 is looking funny in the light
Mac Casper
@adonnis - pull up, there's refreshments
I can say that he brought the name Tom Ford into recognizable territory for most people, I think he achieved that by mentioning the brand on a single that featured Justin Timberlake 
Kilgore Trout
Banned
He might of had the best position in the hip-hop world at the time but I never saw a level of influence or exposure that was on par Snoop '93, Biggie '94 and into '95, Tupac '96, Eminem in the early 2000s or 50 Cent in '03
And I'm not stating this to be a disqualifier. Those levels of success above are contingent on singles that are will satiate the pop market transcend the regular confines of the genre's reach and a well-oiled marketing machine in full swing with you set as top priority
I don't need that to evaluate his legacy and I don't place much a premium on it. My perception of the situation may not be the proper measure of perception, it was over 16 years ago and I may of had other priorities at the time, either way I'm not going to suggest that my perception that is the best barometer to evaluate his success. If he did indeed have an undisputed claim to that #1 spot than I would attest that the influence of hip-hop's crown may of been at it's lowest . . and on a mainstream level you have someone else who is clearly a phenomenon at the time, so perhaps that detracted from the influence of his spot at the time and his spot was short lived because 2001 came out at the end of that year and Dre was so hot that the member's of his camp were absorbing some of the sign, I recognize Dr. Dre's reign and his influence at that moment. I recognize DMX's . . who at the time I viewed as a bigger figure than Jay Z
That area wasn't feeling the effects of the download era so why don't you post up some of those numbers from the sales of rap albums in 1999 . . because this notion that Jay Z was number 1 is looking funny in the light
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Chu tweaked't!
nikkaz keep making this false narrative cause they wanna crown false idols.
Who got served and also were never culturally allegiant over a way more culturally responsible and higher skilled emcee a d it is a joke.
Chu tweaked't jay never drew or even had em skill.
Jayz is the best pr'd rapper in history.
Yet his pr is never based in actual cultural responsibility to hip hop and never indicative of his real skill incomparison to his contemporaries for real.
Even if we were to point out obvious style morphs and bites in both Eminem and jay's respective careers.
Eminem is even more skilled in that and also elongated his own actual skill set wholeheartedly from content to execution above jayz's consistently.
While also doing it ahead of jauz in relative youth as well in timeline comparison.
Art Barr