Lets be real. The only reason why Biggie is in anybodys top 5 is because Pac shytted on him.

[womanareliars]

This thread went from some 9 year old kid thinking 2Pac went platinum before Biggie to people claiming 2Pac didnt get figuratively raped by David Kenner after getting literally raped on Riker's. That nikkas album sales were buying Michelle weaves.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Step in the ring bytch

Suge had previously asked him to join Deathrow, but he said "he just wasn't ready." The reality of it is that Tupac didn't want to join Deathrow, but changed his mind when faced with prison.

Suge said he'd get Tupac out, in exchange Tupac had to do 3 albums for Deathrow. They worked out a contract in which Tupac would receive an advance of $1 million for the first album, in addition to $125,000 for a car, a $120,000 expense allowance for one year, a $250,000 legal fund to be spent as Tupac desired, and David's legal services.

Tupac would be paid a royalty of 18 points for sales of the first album, plus a bonus of 1% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. For the second and third, Tupac would be paid an advance of no less than $1 million, or $1 million for every million copies of the prior album which was sold, and he would be paid a royalty of 18% of sales, plus a bonus of l% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison.

Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope.

Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 cd's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times.

While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wilshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 seperate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a porche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive.

He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid.

On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd.

Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken (bought) in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson.

Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris.

In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife.

Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row.

He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs.

When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate.

He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000.

He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought.

 

[Mac Casper]

Suge had previously asked him to join Deathrow, but he said "he just wasn't ready." The reality of it is that Tupac didn't want to join Deathrow, but changed his mind when faced with prison.

Suge said he'd get Tupac out, in exchange Tupac had to do 3 albums for Deathrow. They worked out a contract in which Tupac would receive an advance of $1 million for the first album, in addition to $125,000 for a car, a $120,000 expense allowance for one year, a $250,000 legal fund to be spent as Tupac desired, and David's legal services.

Tupac would be paid a royalty of 18 points for sales of the first album, plus a bonus of 1% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. For the second and third, Tupac would be paid an advance of no less than $1 million, or $1 million for every million copies of the prior album which was sold, and he would be paid a royalty of 18% of sales, plus a bonus of l% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison.

Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope.

Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 cd's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times.

While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wilshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 seperate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a porche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive.

He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid.

On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd.

Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken (bought) in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson.

Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris.

In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife.

Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row.

He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs.

When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate.

He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000.

He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought.

Once again . . you're talking about accounting. This is a simple concept and I don't see how this evades you

 

[womanareliars]

Suge had previously asked him to join Deathrow, but he said "he just wasn't ready." The reality of it is that Tupac didn't want to join Deathrow, but changed his mind when faced with prison.

Suge said he'd get Tupac out, in exchange Tupac had to do 3 albums for Deathrow. They worked out a contract in which Tupac would receive an advance of $1 million for the first album, in addition to $125,000 for a car, a $120,000 expense allowance for one year, a $250,000 legal fund to be spent as Tupac desired, and David's legal services.

Tupac would be paid a royalty of 18 points for sales of the first album, plus a bonus of 1% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. For the second and third, Tupac would be paid an advance of no less than $1 million, or $1 million for every million copies of the prior album which was sold, and he would be paid a royalty of 18% of sales, plus a bonus of l% if it went Gold, and another 1% if it went Platinum. Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison.

Tupac agreed and Deathrow lawyer David Kenner went about bailing Tupac out of jail. The New York Court of Appeals granted him leave to post bail. $850,000 was raised by Atlantic Records, which was posted in a corporate guarantee. The rest was put up with a $300,000 bail bond and $250,000 in cash from Suge or Interscope.

Tupac immediately began and released the album All Eyez on Me, a double CD which covered the first 2 cd's of the contract. While on Deathrow Tupac really seemed to change, influenced by Suge in the mob lifestyle and obviously bitter for the setup in the rape case and being shot 5 times.

While on Deathrow he was jacked by Suge Knight repeatedly. He was charged rent on a Wilshire apartment that other Deathrow artists lived in on 9 seperate occasions. He was charged $23,857 for repairs to a porche owned by Steve Cantrock and Suge. Suge and another Death Row representative, who were in California at the time, on the phone told him that he had spent $2 million more than he was entitled to receive.

He was charged $115,507 for three pieces of jewelry from B.L. Diamonds, Suge said that the jewelry was a gift to Tupac from Suge, but the bills were never paid.

On May 2nd, Tupac was charged $14,500 rent for a house in Malibu which David Kenner lived in. He was then charged $100,000 rent for David Kenner, then $12,000 more. He paid $2700 for Nate Dogg's child support and charged $5,845 for jewelry that Suge bought from XIV Karats Ltd.

Sept 3rd he was charged with expenses associated with Michel'le Toussa's Range Rover for $1,453.51. He was also charged over $28,000 for a Chevy Suburban Title. It was taken (bought) in Tupac's name initially, but was given to Suge's brother-in-law, Norris Anderson.

Tupac was charged $51,425 in connection with the cost of transferring the car to Norris.

In August Tupac was charged $2,965, for an American Express bill from Suge's wife.

Tupac was charged with expenses that he never agreed to pay which were attendant to the production of albums released by Death Row.

He was charged $3,421,842 in video production costs and $663,012 in audio production costs.

When Tupac died he had no mutual funds, IRA, or real estate.

He owned no stocks or bonds, and had a checking account that had less than $105,000.

He also didn't own his Woodland Hills house in San Fernando Valley that he had recently thought he had bought.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

Once again . . you're talking about accounting. This is a simple concept and I don't see how this evades you

Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison.

 

[Mac Casper]

Tupac said at the time he signed the contract "I know I'm selling my soul." But he couldn't stand another few years in prison.

according to second hand hearsay?

 

[JayBaldacci]

Threads for views. Biggie debuted with an album better than any tupac joint.

 

[YeLovesBoston]

cmon man. I shed a tear everytime I see a pic like this

 

[Mac Casper]

Threads for views. Biggie debuted with an album better than any tupac joint.

Bullshyt. That album is a glorified maxi-single with some redundant reiterated trash filler tracks

1. "Intro" - best thing about it is the samples 1/5 . . starting the album with arguments and shyt? Who got for that? Fantasies of robbing a train. Okay
2. "Things Done Changed" 8/10
3. "Gimme the Loot" - 10/10 storytelling
4. "Machine Gun Funk" - 6/10 at best . . name a song after funk and include no funk brehs "get in that ass like a wedgie" . . wack gun talk the whole track
5. "Warning" 8/10 - solid track, not as hot as "Gimme the Loot" - have I mentioned all of Biggie's metaphors are wack as fukk? "blowing up like nitro"
6. "Ready to Die" -9/10 . . "off and on like a light switch" . . "dripping out my buttcheeks" . . "sleeping on my stomach so I don't mess up my sheets" - law of attraction, the universe took note of this track . . "Oh you're life is played out like a Jherri curl" . . that can be arranged
7. "One More Chance" - 7/10 . . "Cleanest/meanest/penis" . . you're really impressed by this? Absolute struggle chorus
8. "fukk Me (Interlude)" - fukking is new to this guy, makes something for the album because it's such a big deal . . throwaway 0/10
9. "The What" 10/10 - largely due to production and Method Man, Biggie's lyrics are very generic for the time
10. "Juicy" 10/10
11. "Everyday Struggle" 10/10 . . another repugnant mind-state on display, "I don't wanna live no more" sounding like a typical Tumblr bytch. This is why Jay Z easily surpassed him. You never hearJay talking about that wack ass shyt like "I don't wanna live no more". This shyt is for people with no lives that stay in their rooms all day. Easy Moe Bee here to save the day
12. "Me & My bytch" 9/10 . . "so good I'd suck on your daddy's dikk" why did you think that was okay to put that in a song? Muthaphukka had Mister Cee tryna introduce his daughters to him on the regular
13. "Big Poppa" - 10/10 - thanks to Puff's music direction
14. "Respect" - 9/10 . . how many times is he gonna redo the same track? so many of these tracks have inconsequential lyrics that could literally be exchange with lyrics from any other track . .
15. "Friend of Mine" - 6/10 - same track over again like all the other throwaways on this album
16. "Unbelievable" - 9/10 due to production . . another lyrical bullshyt, same shyt all over again
17. "Suicidal Thoughts" - 0/10 another bullshyt, my life means nothing. Tumblr bytch anthem

Such an overrated album with a few highlights thanks to Puffy's direction. dude's a rapper not a songwriter. He had no musical direction of his own




You literally need to be a certain kind of person to feel like this is some type of great piece of work

 

[Still Benefited]

I wont argue that Biggie didn't have fans who didn't care about him before Pac,and outside of Pac.

But its pretty obvious the east coast and his fans feel that pressure to try to put him in the same league as Pac because of the beef....They refuse to let the guy beefin with Biggie be seen as the goat nationwide and internationally?While Biggie is just another guy who was hot for a minute

If Pac wasn't seen as the goat and so beloved,he would probably be treated like DMX,which would still be with respect,but much more accurate than where they try to place Biggie at,which is with the REAL goats

 

[JayBaldacci]

Bullshyt. That album is a glorified maxi-single with some redundant reiterated trash filler tracks

1. "Intro" - best thing about it is the samples 1/5 . . starting the album with arguments and shyt? Who got for that? Fantasies of robbing a train. Okay
2. "Things Done Changed" 8/10
3. "Gimme the Loot" - 10/10 storytelling
4. "Machine Gun Funk" - 6/10 at best . . name a song after funk and include no funk brehs "get in that ass like a wedgie" . . wack gun talk the whole track
5. "Warning" 8/10 - solid track, not as hot as "Gimme the Loot" - have I mentioned all of Biggie's metaphors are wack as fukk? "blowing up like nitro"
6. "Ready to Die" -9/10 . . "off and on like a light switch" . . "dripping out my buttcheeks" . . "sleeping on my stomach so I don't mess up my sheets" - law of attraction, the universe took note of this track . . "Oh you're life is played out like a Jherri curl" . . that can be arranged
7. "One More Chance" - 7/10 . . "Cleanest/meanest/penis" . . you're really impressed by this? Absolute struggle chorus
8. "fukk Me (Interlude)" - fukking is new to this guy, makes something for the album because it's such a big deal . . throwaway 0/10
9. "The What" 10/10 - largely due to production and Method Man, Biggie's lyrics are very generic for the time
10. "Juicy" 10/10
11. "Everyday Struggle" 10/10 . . another repugnant mind-state on display, "I don't wanna live no more" sounding like a typical Tumblr bytch. This is why Jay Z easily surpassed him. You never hearJay talking about that wack ass shyt like "I don't wanna live no more". This shyt is for people with no lives that stay in their rooms all day. Easy Moe Bee here to save the day
12. "Me & My bytch" 9/10 . . "so good I'd suck on your daddy's dikk" why did you think that was okay to put that in a song? Muthaphukka had Mister Cee tryna introduce his daughters to him on the regular
13. "Big Poppa" - 10/10 - thanks to Puff's music direction
14. "Respect" - 9/10 . . how many times is he gonna redo the same track? so many of these tracks have inconsequential lyrics that could literally be exchange with lyrics from any other track . .
15. "Friend of Mine" - 6/10 - same track over again like all the other throwaways on this album
16. "Unbelievable" - 9/10 due to production . . another lyrical bullshyt, same shyt all over again
17. "Suicidal Thoughts" - 0/10 another bullshyt, my life means nothing. Tumblr bytch anthem

Such an overrated album with a few highlights thanks to Puffy's direction. dude's a rapper not a songwriter. He had no musical direction of his own




You literally need to be a certain kind of person to feel like this is some type of great piece of work

Nice break down. I never said Ready to Die doesn't have problems, just that it was better than any pac album at the time, which it was.

 

[womanareliars]

I wont argue that Biggie didn't have fans who didn't care about him before Pac,and outside of Pac.

But its pretty obvious the east coast and his fans feel that pressure to try to put him in the same league as Pac because of the beef....They refuse to let the guy beefin with Biggie be seen as the goat nationwide and internationally?While Biggie is just another guy who was hot for a minute

If Pac wasn't seen as the goat and so beloved,he would probably be treated like DMX,which would still be with respect,but much more accurate than where they try to place Biggie at,which is with the REAL goats

...but you'll argue that there weren't legions of Pac fans who didn't listen to him until after he started the beef?

 

[kingofnyc]

I saw the doc that had the DR contract. Suge scammed him on a few things. Yes im a stan but I don't distort history like piggie stans.

can u name these distortion of history

 

[Mac Casper]

bbbbbbbbbbb

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Daam...yall are like....going in..

Over all emcee in technical sense..Biggie wins.

Raw talent, unbridled emotion..Pac wins.

BIG has wordplay that shyts all over Pacs verbal syntaxes.

And Pac makes songs that apease to people in a way BIG could never touch.

BIG wasnt all into pouring his heart on records.

Pac wasnt as calculating in his Rhyming scheme as BIG..and probably could care less.

Everything is bullshyt...keep it Hip Hop fellas...

i put that on puff

i mean he signed to the nikka but yeah