Let's be real...the PRO-Trump Brigade is...

[Reality]

Politics have become more emotional to people than logical over the years; and for extreme leftists it's become a religion more so than an actual political ideology, with democratic leaders being the clergymen.

Proof of this is the affordable health care act - leftists don't even want to TALK about the earmarks in them, not even to defend them, nah let's just pretend they don't exist

Same for the new NDAA provisions and the wars/conflicts Obama got the U.S. involved in - anything that might paint the almighty Obama in a negative light isn't even talked about

shyt on republicans all day long but they didn't do Bush like this, he left office with the lowest approval rating ever

ya had me til about here. not even sure where to start with this statement.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

ya had me til about here. not even sure where to start with this statement.

You don't know where to start making up shyt is what you mean.

Republicans deified bush? They "Reaganized" him? Where? Show me this proof

When he left office, everybody hated him. None of the republican candidates running for President even wanted to be seen with him and publicly shyt all over his policies trying to woo republican voters..

Obama on the other hand is seen as a deity, approval ratings through the roof, winning popularity awards despite, on paper being a mediocre hum-drum president

 

[Broke Wave]

You don't know where to start making up shyt is what you mean.

Republicans deified bush? They "Reaganized" him? Where? Show me this proof

When he left office, everybody hated him. None of the republican candidates running for President even wanted to be seen with him and publicly shyt all over his policies trying to woo republican voters..

Obama on the other hand is seen as a deity, approval ratings through the roof, winning popularity awards despite, on paper being a mediocre hum-drum president

You're a moron. If you really can't see why Obama and Bush are different, and the ways they are leaving (Bush with the Iraq war raging, the collapse of the markets) are totally different, you don't deserve any of our time. Go post in TLR we don't need any more mouth breathers on this sub forum

 

[Booker T Garvey]

You're a moron. If

Thank you for that emotionally loaded diatribe, but you didn't answer my question at all, didn't even attempt to show the proof I asked for either.

Now, surely you can obliterate my kin-dee-garden level question with a phd level retort and send me whimpering off embarrassed and looking foolish right?

Right?

 

[Pressure]

For a president who still hasn't outlined policy.

I wish y'all smart dumb nikkas would pipe down.

 

[Reality]

You don't know where to start making up shyt is what you mean.

Republicans deified bush? They "Reaganized" him? Where? Show me this proof

When he left office, everybody hated him. None of the republican candidates running for President even wanted to be seen with him and publicly shyt all over his policies trying to woo republican voters..

Obama on the other hand is seen as a deity, approval ratings through the roof, winning popularity awards despite, on paper being a mediocre hum-drum president

Your unstated opinion here, of course, is that Bush and Obama's respective job performances were roughly equal with respect to their partisans. In addition to "failing" Republicans on spending and immigration, Bush also prosecuted a ground war on incorrect (in reality, false) pretenses in Iraq.

I don't think Obama's "failed" liberals/democrats in such a clear (or at least visible) way. With respect to the ACA, expanding coverage was the base liberal preoccupation, not reducing the deficit or keeping premiums the same. Getting boots off the ground and keeping them off the ground was the base liberal preoccupation - not ceasing any and all military activity in the middle east. I could go on with respect to torture being the keystone issue for liberals with respect to extrajudicial power vs. drone strikes, etc...

That said, all of this^ is pretty forgiving of Bush and the state of the country when he left vs. the state of the country now.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Your unstated opinion here, of course, is that Bush and Obama's respective job performances were roughly equal with respect to their partisans. In addition to "failing" Republicans on spending and immigration, Bush also prosecuted a ground war on incorrect (in reality, false) pretenses in Iraq.

I don't think Obama's "failed" liberals/democrats in such a clear (or at least visible) way. With respect to the ACA, expanding coverage was the base liberal preoccupation, not reducing the deficit or keeping premiums the same. Getting boots off the ground and keeping them off the ground was the base liberal preoccupation - not ceasing any and all military activity in the middle east. I could go on with respect to torture being the keystone issue for liberals with respect to extrajudicial power vs. drone strikes, etc...

That said, all of this^ is pretty forgiving of Bush and the state of the country when he left vs. the state of the country now.

1) none of what I said is an opinion; bush left office with statistically the lowest approval rating ever and he was not popular among democrats nor republicans...no one, even today, is championing bush's policies aside from maybe Karl rove <<where am i lying/wrong here?

2) Barack Obama absolutely failed Democrats. The democratic party for my entire life has traditionally been about the American poor and working class. All the political talk right now is that Democrats have gotten away from focusing on those people, in favor of identity politics and this is why they lost the election. Step back and look - I mean really other than gays and Hispanics, who can say these last 8 years were wonderful and life altering?

3) Obama started up 3 more wars. He re-started the war in Afghanistan in 2014 and we have troops currently fighting in Syria and Pakistan (<<<again, if i'm wrong help me)
look at where we were as a country as a whole in 2008 and now 2016...its vastly greater? we're thriving? stop it.

 

[Reality]

1) none of what I said is an opinion; bush left office with statistically the lowest approval rating ever and he was not popular among democrats nor republicans...no one, even today, is championing bush's policies aside from maybe Karl rove <<where am i lying/wrong here?

2) Barack Obama absolutely failed Democrats. The democratic party for my entire life has traditionally been about the American poor and working class. All the political talk right now is that Democrats have gotten away from focusing on those people, in favor of identity politics and this is why they lost the election. Step back and look - I mean really other than gays and Hispanics, who can say these last 8 years were wonderful and life altering?

3) Obama started up 3 more wars. He re-started the war in Afghanistan in 2014 and we have troops currently fighting in Syria and Pakistan (<<<again, if i'm wrong help me)
look at where we were as a country as a whole in 2008 and now 2016...its vastly greater? we're thriving? stop it.

Your reading comprehension needs work, breh. I'm out.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Your reading comprehension needs work, breh. I'm out.

of course you're "out"

i ask questions and nobody answers them..hell, I openly exposed you all of blatantly ignoring the earmarks in the ACA and the provisions added to the NDAA bill and you cats replying still won't address them

like i said: these new cultish-liberals cherry-pick what they choose to see and then base their realities around these things..so of course everything is fine, everybody else is crazy and obama is "perfeck" if you do that

 

[The American]

I was one of the people who hoped they got their asses seriously kicked.

So you wanted racists to body anti-racism protestors

These crackers stay bold af in this forum

 

[keepemup]

So you wanted racists to body anti-racism protestors

These crackers stay bold af in this forum

They were paid a$$holes who came to cause a controversy at Trump rallies. They were frauds. They weren't doing anybody any good with their subterfuge. They were bigots themselves, but more importantly agitators and provocateurs.

The protesters should be happy the Don didn't let the wolves have them.

But I still believe a sound ass whooping has a strange way of fixing bad behavior.

 

[The American]

They were paid a$$holes who came to cause a controversy at Trump rallies. They were frauds. They weren't doing anybody any good with their subterfuge. They were bigots themselves, but more importantly agitators and provocateurs.

The protesters should be happy the Don didn't let the wolves have them.

But I still believe a sound ass whooping has a strange way of fixing bad behavior.

Project Veritas was done by a felon who has 0 credibility, so there is no water to your argument. As far as what we know, based on credible evidence, they were decent people protesting a disgusting racist. They weren't bigots themselves.

 

[keepemup]

Project Veritas was done by a felon who has 0 credibility, so there is no water to your argument. As far as what we know, based on credible evidence, they were decent people protesting a disgusting racist. They weren't bigots themselves.

I guess you now want to run with a fallacy that someone convicted of a crime is lying by default? Lol. You don't believe that.

Furthermore, O'Keefe is not a felon.

His covert operations were so stealthily and expertly done it got ACORN shut down.

And recently, his work has helped to expose the DNC and Clinton campaign trying to manipulate voter turnout as well as paying agitators to cause trouble at Trump rallies, so much so that James Foval and another colluder Robert Creamer had to be fired or resigned.

Don't run from the truth breh. It will set you free.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Reality negged you for your post in the thread Let's be real...the PRO-Trump Brigade is.... With the following comment: For being stupid
35 minutes ago

^^^^ without even addressing a point or answering a question - this is an act of frustration plain and simple

 

[Reality]

Reality negged you for your post in the thread Let's be real...the PRO-Trump Brigade is.... With the following comment: For being stupid
35 minutes ago

^^^^ without even addressing a point or answering a question - this is an act of frustration plain and simple

Your questions were off-base and betrayed your inability to comprehend a simple argument. Let me spell it out for you since you're a dumbass.

1) none of what I said is an opinion; bush left office with statistically the lowest approval rating ever and he was not popular among democrats nor republicans...no one, even today, is championing bush's policies aside from maybe Karl rove <<where am i lying/wrong here? You can't read. You implied Obama and Bush would have the same approval ratings if Democrats / liberals were as intellectually honest as Republicans / conservatives are. That argument supposes that Democrats should disapprove of Obama to the same degree that Republicans should disapprove of Bush despite the fact that Bush wasn't conservative on spending, wasn't conservative on immigration, and, preoccupied by a pointless war, saw the economy go to shyt during his presidency.

Regardless of whether you think that's fair or not, it's a pretty simple argument for anyone with a basic comprehension of what moves the general public to approve / disapprove of a president. You're too dumb to realize that Republicans disapproved of Bush not because of a nuanced understanding of his many missteps, but instead disapproved because his failures were so massive and visible that anyone with half a brain would be hard-pressed to defend him. Again, you're dumb.

2) Barack Obama absolutely failed Democrats. The democratic party for my entire life has traditionally been about the American poor and working class. All the political talk right now is that Democrats have gotten away from focusing on those people, in favor of identity politics and this is why they lost the election. Step back and look - I mean really other than gays and Hispanics, who can say these last 8 years were wonderful and life altering?

See point number 1 again. Gays and hispanics are large parts of the Democratic base, so to dismiss them outright is stupid. The Democratic base consists of minorities and working class people, and neither of those groups experienced massively visible failures for which they could point to Obama's mismanagement. The closest thing to a huge, visible failure was Obama's response to police violence for black people. Women were OK, gays saw great strides, Hispanics did well, and working class people weren't directly and adversely impacted by any new emerging trend or event that happened under Obama. Does that mean they're doing great? No, it just means that nothing happened under Obama's presidency that they can easily point the finger at Obama for. Get it? Probably not, you're dumb.

3) Obama started up 3 more wars. He re-started the war in Afghanistan in 2014 and we have troops currently fighting in Syria and Pakistan (<<<again, if i'm wrong help me)



If you can't understand the difference, even just in terms of optics, of using drone strikes and small numbers of special forces vs. deploying nearly 200k ground troops in an invasion, you need to smarten up. It's pretty simple to understand why people would have a more visceral reaction to one than they would another.
look at where we were as a country as a whole in 2008 and now 2016...its vastly greater? we're thriving? stop it.

You're either young or you never actually understood what was happening when Obama was inaugurated

There breh. Grab a book or two.