let's come to a genuine consensus about who the better producer is. dr. dre or the rza

[Newportbox]

Shouldn't this be Rza Vs Dre & his extensive roster of ghost producers?

 

[y que]

as great as rza is/was i dont see how him or anybody else is even remotely comparable to dr dre

dudes are mad delusional or fanboys

the concept of a producer is completely misunderstood in hip hop for whatever reason

dre is a real producer in a musical sense not just hip hop

 

[Pifferry]

no beat sounds the same before Dre touches it.

Snoop said it himself. Daz made the beat but Dre took that bih to whole nother level.

Like what Kanye did to Sanctified.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Love RZA. Dude was on another planet in his prime. Easily one of the best ever to do it.

But Dre has always been Top 2, for me, with Premier. Those two are my GOAT's.

 

[nieman]

I think that the whole "well, RZA did it all by himself" thing is a cop-out. For starters, music production is a collaborative effort. It's the artist, producer, and if needed, musician(s) working together to create. Most Hip Hop producers can't play instruments so they hire session players. Sometimes those session players have a more musical ear and offer additional expertise, which is how they end up with co-producer credits. Production entails more than someone making a beat. A lot of times, you are working with artists who have potential, but lack direction and discipline. Production is polishing that artist and tightening loose ends to get the best out of the artist. No, that doesn't change for Hip Hop because the same applies. A lot of the artists we look at as great, wouldn't be as great if they didn't have a producer that helped mold and shape their sound. It's why people prefer hearing their favorite artists with certain producers.

Dre not only brings the best out of artists. He's done the same with the co-producers he's worked with. Scott Storch's, Mel-Man's, Mike Elizondo's, Daz's, Mark Batson's, Dawaun Parker's etc. best Hip Hop productions have whose name credited as the main producer?

That said, given the catalog, impact, and influence, Dre wins. Dr. Dre is the Michael Jordan of Hip Hop production. Jordan didn't win any of his six rings by his lonely, but everybody on the court brought their A game because they were playing on the same court. He brought the best out of them.

They are both composers now, as well as producers. RZA plays several instruments and actually writes music now. I'm not sure about Dre, but he does compose the traditional way. You can say that Dre brings out the best in other producers, but they've already done the hard part. RZA also mixed and went in after himself to alter beats, so he was the Daz and Dre. Dre has more hits, but his name will carry no matter what the beat sounds like. The beats that he was behind for 50 and Em weren't even that great, but "it's Dre." But at the end of the day, only Snoop has sounded better over Dre than RZA. So RZA compliments the artist/MC better.

 

[JustCKing]

They are both composers now, as well as producers. RZA plays several instruments and actually writes music now. I'm not sure about Dre, but he does compose the traditional way. You can say that Dre brings out the best in other producers, but they've already done the hard part. RZA also mixed and went in after himself to alter beats, so he was the Daz and Dre. Dre has more hits, but his name will carry no matter what the beat sounds like. The beats that he was behind for 50 and Em weren't even that great, but "it's Dre." But at the end of the day, only Snoop has sounded better over Dre than RZA. So RZA compliments the artist/MC better.

Except in a lot of instances, we don't actually know what these other producers brought to the table. Some of them didn't even have a background in Hip Hop before Dre (Elizondo and Mark Batson).

Dre's name doesn't carry no matter what the beat sounds like. There's a lot of Dre productions that weren't successful (notably the stuff he did at the beginning of Aftermath up until SSLP and Snoop's "B Please").

Outside of Snoop, you could argue that Eminem and 50 sound their best over Dre productions.

 

[Reebok Jones]

double comment accident lol

 

[Reebok Jones]

Dr. Dre created a genre with G-Funk

RZA created the entire idea of intimidating/scary/ugly hip hop which is now ingrained into hip hop culture.

I keep thinking this over as I write this and... these two would probably be the two you could credit the most with creating their respective coasts' sounds.

However, G-Funk became dated really fast since it basically was a revitalization of an already dead genre, and boom-bap while its pretty much dead now, lasted much longer than G-Funk and still has a large underground scene

man... but if you think about it, Dre made G-Funk singlehandedly. Whereas boom-bap was started by dudes like Marley Marl and Prince Paul, RZA just took what they did and developed the sound into a real NYC identity... Also Dre has been working in the game much longer than RZA, whens the last time RZA put an artist on?

I voted RZA but its probably cause im just an east coast punk...

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Dr. Dre created a genre with G-Funk

RZA created the entire idea of intimidating/scary/ugly hip hop which is now ingrained into hip hop culture.

I keep thinking this over as I write this and... these two would probably be the two you could credit the most with creating their respective coasts' sounds.

However, G-Funk became dated really fast since it basically was a revitalization of an already dead genre, and boom-bap while its pretty much dead now, lasted much longer than G-Funk and still has a large underground scene

man... but if you think about it, Dre made G-Funk singlehandedly. Whereas boom-bap was started by dudes like Marley Marl and Prince Paul, RZA just took what they did and developed the sound into a real NYC identity... Also Dre has been working in the game much longer than RZA, whens the last time RZA put an artist on?

I voted RZA but its probably cause im just an east coast punk...

Bro dre did not create g funk. Dre stole the g funk sound from guys like ATL

 

[Reebok Jones]

Bro dre did not create g funk. Dre stole the g funk sound from guys like ATL

word, put me on then, i'd be interested to hear what there is

cause what i always heard from people was that ATL wasn't shyt till Outkast came out and that wasn't till after the chronic