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not really. i dont find much predictive value at all in pff numbers. stuff like off/def efficiency, yards per play, yards per play differential etc are far better in using for predictive purposes

that's cool. it's been helpful for me this season so far. but it's obviously not my single source for forming my picks. it's just another outlet i use to base my picks on.
 

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If they create a thread with their logic here, they would get the neg train. They gave Tyrod Taylor a 0.3 :wtf:
the rodgers grade is baffling, especially in regards to him getting no credit for gaining an advantage in regards to the penalties, but they grade based off what an average qb should be able to do. those rodgers td passes to cobb for example are passes that the average nfl qb can, and would be able to make. he doesnt get bonus points for making those passes. their grading system is explained for the most part on the site. if a qb makes a shyt throw that is a great catch, the qb gets dinged for the bad throw regardless the results of play. i didnt catch much of the bills game, but did tyrod make a bunch of plays that went beyond what an average qb should make? if not, he isnt going to get any extra credit for having a good stat line
 

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the rodgers grade is baffling, especially in regards to him getting no credit for gaining an advantage in regards to the penalties, but they grade based off what an average qb should be able to do. those rodgers td passes to cobb for example are passes that the average nfl qb can, and would be able to make. he doesnt get bonus points for making those passes. their grading system is explained for the most part on the site. if a qb makes a shyt throw that is a great catch, the qb gets dinged for the bad throw regardless the results of play. i didnt catch much of the bills game, but did tyrod make a bunch of plays that went beyond what an average qb should make? if so, he isnt going to get any extra credit for having a good stat line
My thing is, his mobility in and out of the pocket was genius level. Most QB's can't do that. His ability to throw without his feet set. Man, this was a terrible review. This is like calling The Wire worse than Jamal and C-Bear.
 

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My thing is, his mobility in and out of the pocket was genius level. Most QB's can't do that. His ability to throw without his feet set. Man, this was a terrible review. This is like calling The Wire worse than Jamal and C-Bear.
when a qb throws a pass that should have been a pick, but isnt, they grade it the same as if he picked it. the pass is being graded, not the result. thats just the way they grade. if a running back coughs one up, it shouldnt matter whether the fumble was lost or not. its graded the same regardless. i dont agree with the penalties not being tangible, because anyone watching knows if a qb caught a team with a quick snap and 12 guys on the field is different from a team just lining up and playing with an extra guy etc. that should be credited to the qb in those cases. i dont agree with rodgers grade at all, but more often than not they are a pretty accurate representation of how the guy played. rodgers probably lost 1.5 for each of the plays that should have been turnovers, even though they obviously werent. im seeing him an a 0.7, and cousins at a -1.9 right now, maybe they re graded a bit?
 
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:patrice:Iono

I may be in the minority, but I would also dock some of his score (or at least give him no points) for the 'free play's he gets. Let me explain:

Its clear that when he does a hard count (which he is a master of), often times his offensive line also moves- which should lead to a whistle and a offside/NZ flag. However, because its Rodgers, I've noticed that the ref's swallow their whistle and let the play continue

Those fakkit calls are such horseshyt sometimes. Refs are on his dikk, primetime, they let the shyt go.
 

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Look at this joke of a write up

1. Rodgers had a fumble, which displayed poor pocket management, with 8:39 remaining in the second quarter. That play earned a negative grade.

2. With 12:58 remaining in the third quarter, Rodgers forced a pass that Josh Mauga could and possibly should have been returned for six points for Kansas City. If Mauga makes this interception, it would have tacked an ugly interception onto Rodgers’ stat line.

Punishing him on THEORETICALS :francis:


Swagnificent >>>>> PFF

I disagree with their conclusion, but what you call theoreticals someone else might call context :manny:
 

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What if doesn't matter in sports.
obviously sports is results based, but if we are grading the individuals performance, it doesnt necessarily have to be results based. if im grading a pass, and it hits the guys numbers and he fukks up the catch, and the ball deflects into an int it shouldnt result in a poor grade for that qb on the pass. the qb did his job
 

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Eye test >>>>>

Especially when judging prospects

I see nothing wrong with their explanation and their rating -
The greatness of Rodgers’ performance last night was in the intangibles. Recognizing the blitz, drawing the defense offsides, catching the Chiefs in bad situations and exploiting those scenarios with simple passes to open receivers. But you cannot — and we do not try to — quantify intangibles, or what comes pre-snap. Our system grades what can be graded — the execution of the play post-snap — and in that regard Rodgers did not stand out in the same way that his statistics did.

They've already acknowledged where the "greatness" was in his performance, and it wasn't in the stats, rather in what he did prior to the snap and letting his receivers do the work. I think it's completely reasonable to not add intangibles into their ratings, because like they said, you can't. This is why I keep telling dudes it's a must to provide context when it comes to PPF - you just can't simply go off the end rating.
 

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Breh was constantly making plays. Remember that one play where in he was in the endzone, excaped and then threw a comp to James Jones. Gruden was talking about quick quick quick and then Rodgers backed it up like a second later. I was like :damn:

exactly. they dont add points for being elusive and making plays out of your pocket due to poor protection. But damn if he completes a throw for a TD, it doesnt matter cuz it was a 5 yard wide out for a TD. :troll:
 

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Look at this joke of a write up

1. Rodgers had a fumble, which displayed poor pocket management, with 8:39 remaining in the second quarter. That play earned a negative grade.

2. With 12:58 remaining in the third quarter, Rodgers forced a pass that Josh Mauga could and possibly should have been returned for six points for Kansas City. If Mauga makes this interception, it would have tacked an ugly interception onto Rodgers’ stat line.

Punishing him on THEORETICALS :francis:


Swagnificent >>>>> PFF
:dead:



Here's yo piff.
some of them are legit 7's so.... :manny:




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