Lets get it Started right now-Which NBA Era is Better?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

3s are worth more than 2s breh

It's a battle you can't win with 90's stans. They use hyperbole, nostalgia, rhetoric, and love of the mid range jumper as their argument. I loved the decade too. I grew up in it, but some things need to stay in the past. People don't carry boom boxes or vhs tapes anymore. We don't look for a pay phone to call the house anymore, we don't write letters to each other. Times change. Basketball is no different.

 

[Bomberman]

Watched both eras. I'd honestly take the 96-97 team.

This coming from someone who cheers big for Kawhi, Curry, AD, Clarkson and Wiggins.

I've said Kawhi > Pippen, Curry is the GOAT PG next to Magic, and AD can grow into something we haven't seen before. Yet I'll still take that 96-97 team because of the physicality, just too much size everywhere on the court.

Don't hit me with no old timer argument either, if I hate his era of NBA that much, I wouldn't watch. Fact is it's still entertaining and gets no hate from me and most of these cats can flat out ball. Just stating who I think will pull the W here.

 

[CarltonJunior]

Now i'm going to give you the two obvious points.

notice todays era consists of two old bigmen pau gasol and tim duncan. proves that Bigs nowadays are faceup bigs with little post moves or desire to hit the block and dominate. and yall wonder why super athletic blake cant get to the finals, or why aldridge is still sitting at home yet another summer.

notice that old school 90's era. had no old head bigs or old head guards in their all nba teams. Everyone was in their prime or slightly out of it, destroying the league all at the same time.

also notice... the same guys that made the ALL NBA TEAMS in the Old school era were a lot of the same guys on the ALL DEFENSE TEAMS. To be a superstar in the 90's you had to do two things. Score and lock people up. Nowadays, just scoring is enough. cause the rules are setup so no one can lock up anyone. just score.

Splittin hairs but Blake shouldn't have been in your first point, one of the few bigs that can and does dominate in the post. In the playoffs at least.

The rest of that is true

 

[KOBE]

just laughing at davis not making the first defensive team again. shyt is a joke and so are the voters.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

1 star thread.

 

[rapbeats]

Hold on, you said low post big men don't exist at all in this era but now you've acknowledged Boogie. Pretty sure footwork, counters and touch age well in basketball so Al Jefferson is still an outstanding post player, old man still gets it done. Dirk is not done he's clearly still effective with his back to the basket as one of the most skilled post players to ever play this game. Zbo is still very good down low doesn't matter if he's old wasn't aware there was an age restriction to being able to play through the post. Griffin and Aldridge are good back to basket players not entirely sure why you think they aren't. Brook Lopez is not ok at best he's incredibly skilled. Not saying these guys are better than Pat/Shaq/Hakeem, they aren't, but that saying this era has no good b2b big men is pretty insane.

And thats why I hate era debates. Because there never fails to be one side that exaggerates out of their ass to make the era they want to shine look better with some outrageous statement that grossly misrepresents an era

DUDE. you already know the discussion we're having. THis era of current prime guys or young guys coming up. Not old guys that are on their way out. and to say dirk aint done youz a liar. and ya know it. stop trying to move around the main point. and i gave boogie props in one of these replies. i like boogie because he's actually like prime barkley just without the 3ball(yet). he's strong as hell, will over power you in the low post and put the footwork on you while also able to faceup like blake griffin and smash on you, or hit you with the lamarcus jumper.

but these other dudes that represent this era(stop naming old heads like AL jefferson and dirk.) do not have that back to the basket game. you know its true thats why you have to reach for the old boys. now are we going to have a legit conversation, or are you going to move the hide behind old heads still playing in this era and try to claim them as this era. in that case, kobe is from this era LOL. stop it.

 

[rapbeats]

just laughing at davis not making the first defensive team again. shyt is a joke and so are the voters.

now listen.. i have to admit that was ridiculous. no AD = the voters are terrible. but this goes to show you the direction of todays nba.

notice a pattern.. your best stars are scorers. they almost dont even want them playing defense. they want defensive specialists for that.

more proof that this new era is soft. i'm not saying the players have to be this way. they are this way based on the nba officiating and rule changes. to make the game more up tempo. which casual fans love. dont get me wrong, watching gstate is fun. but i really dont like watching other teams attempt to play like them. they're not nearly as good at it.

 

[boskey]

These aren't eras, just 2 seasons.

 

[rapbeats]

3s are worth more than 2s breh

its not that simple bruh.

i know..analytics. blah blah blah.

a giant in the paint with footwork racking up fouls on the opponent has never been analysed ,, if so please point me to it.

That alone does more damage then chucking 50 3's praying you make 20 eventually.

But you wouldnt know anything about that because you believe what you're told by the new era statisticians. which i dont have an issue with. its just that this idea of "men lie, women lie, but numbers dont" is only half true. Numbers can lie because people control the numbers. I can make the very same stat say something completely different than what you just said.

but again most of yall dont understand that concept so you take these "professionals" comments as if its the gospel truth.

is their truth in shooting long twos is dumb when you can take a half a step back and chuck the 3. of course. that makes logical sense. is it true a team without size can stay in a game by chucking more shots at the basket, speeding the game up and making some 3's. YUP. true statement.

But the only reason it looks like it works so well in today's nba, is because of the rule changes and the lack of skilled younger current era low post guys. again, they dont tell you that. because the wave is now perimeter based and 3's chucking. we are not trying to bring back those giants. giants that have serious post moves along with a top tier guard(pg or sg) = domination. The only time someone dominated that didnt have a big. was jordan, pip, and ho grant. but guess what. Jordan had post game like a big man too. pip had post game, and so did ho grant.

when i get you with my back to the basket and you have no idea how to stop me. you will call for help. the moment you do that you compromise your defense. if i can pass out of a double team well. its going to be a long night for any team.

The reason why the grizz cant win it all is because their bigs with good post game dont LIVE in the post all day and night. because they are not that good down low. gasol is a great passing big. but he's great at passing when he faces up(when he can see the entire floor from the high post.) same with blake griffin(great passing big. but only when facing up). do you understand how far a defender has to travel to sink down to help on the post player. and if that ball is swung back out. he has to go chase it. and if its swung around or even a ball fake. if nothing else. it makes the defender fatigued if this keeps happening all game long, let alone all series long in a playoff situation. see these things have not yet been measures statistically. notice i'm not juts making up some talking points about bigs are better than smalls blah blah. i'm giving you specifics to why a certain skilled big can cause havoc on a defense.

the nba truthfully does not want that kind of domination from any one guy or any one team. they dont. as great as LBJ is/was. he still didnt win 3 times in a row with a stacked team in a weaker era where he had a chance to play children in one(kd and russ) and another to play old men(spurs).

the nba likes it how it is now. the heat win one or two. spurs wins 1 here, 1 there. hopefully gstate or the cavs win. doenst matter if its bron again. its a different team. they want it to be spread around like that. it brings more fans out like the NFL. but basketball played in its purest form would most likely produce some juggernaut team(s) with a great skilled big in the post and a highly skilled guard up top. that combo cant lose until it ages out.

the reason the spurs have never won back to back titles is because as good as Tparker and gino are. They are not as good as prime kobe, prime lebro, prime wade, prime tmac, etc. or prime magic.

the combination of a legendary guard and a legendary post playing big = 3 peat. in any era. the nba really doesnt want that.

i mean think about it. prime pau gasol aint no prime shaq and he got a back 2 back out of the deal. hakeem didnt have any jordan, kobe like level guard play. and he got a back 2 back too.

that post play is devastating.

 

[rapbeats]

Anthony Mason made an all-nba team?

Inadvertently kill your point in the op brehs.

anthony mason was lebron lite before lebron. so do you really want to kill my point? the guy did it all just on a smaller scale. rebounded, played defense, could score in the post, outside. could pass, could push it coast to coast.that was not a usual thing to see out of a guy with his build.

 

[ghostwriterx]

DUDE. you already know the discussion we're having. THis era of current prime guys or young guys coming up. Not old guys that are on their way out. and to say dirk aint done youz a liar. and ya know it. stop trying to move around the main point. and i gave boogie props in one of these replies. i like boogie because he's actually like prime barkley just without the 3ball(yet). he's strong as hell, will over power you in the low post and put the footwork on you while also able to faceup like blake griffin and smash on you, or hit you with the lamarcus jumper.

but these other dudes that represent this era(stop naming old heads like AL jefferson and dirk.) do not have that back to the basket game. you know its true thats why you have to reach for the old boys. now are we going to have a legit conversation, or are you going to move the hide behind old heads still playing in this era and try to claim them as this era. in that case, kobe is from this era LOL. stop it.

LeBron is 4 days older than Al Jefferson.
I guess Bron doesn't represent this era either.

 

[ghostwriterx]

anthony mason was lebron lite before lebron. so do you really want to kill my point? the guy did it all just on a smaller scale. rebounded, played defense, could score in the post, outside. could pass, could push it coast to coast.that was not a usual thing to see out of a guy with his build.

 

[god shamgod]

Todays era more talented with more athletes.90's more fun to watch more rivalries,physical play games weren't constantly stopped to review clear path fouls and weak ass hard fouls misconstrued as flagrants

 

[Liquid]

anthony mason was lebron lite before lebron. so do you really want to kill my point? the guy did it all just on a smaller scale. rebounded, played defense, could score in the post, outside. could pass, could push it coast to coast.that was not a usual thing to see out of a guy with his build.

Breh, you are fukking killing me here.

First with the Penny vs LeBron shyt and now THIS?

 

[Consumed]

DUDE. you already know the discussion we're having. THis era of current prime guys or young guys coming up. Not old guys that are on their way out. and to say dirk aint done youz a liar. and ya know it. stop trying to move around the main point. and i gave boogie props in one of these replies. i like boogie because he's actually like prime barkley just without the 3ball(yet). he's strong as hell, will over power you in the low post and put the footwork on you while also able to faceup like blake griffin and smash on you, or hit you with the lamarcus jumper.

but these other dudes that represent this era(stop naming old heads like AL jefferson and dirk.) do not have that back to the basket game. you know its true thats why you have to reach for the old boys. now are we going to have a legit conversation, or are you going to move the hide behind old heads still playing in this era and try to claim them as this era. in that case, kobe is from this era LOL. stop it.

I really don't understand the conversation taking place here. Doesn't matter who is or isn't old if they're still highly productive players in the game today and your statement was this game has no back to basket talent. If those guys are good in the post then they count. And an era spans more than a single season so your terminology is off here. Dirk is not done in the post he's still exceptional in that area, I have no idea why you're so biased against older players here. If you don't think Blake or LMA have b2b talent I don't know what to tell you, watch them more often? You don't see them backing fools down on the block & in blake's case bullying his way to the paint using his forearm to create separation compensating for a lack of wingspan and throwing up an effective hook over the top? Its not pretty but it sure as hell is effective. And he does a great job sealing his man into the paint so he can catch the ball in prime position to score. What about LMA hitting his defender with an up & under, an accurate turnaround fade which is his signature move or a running hook shot. What about the Rockets Lithuanian PF that took a huge leap this year Donatas Motiejunas, that man is extremely skilled on the block