Let’s have a conversation about Jimmy Butler...

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Jimmy's my guy, but he isn't what he used do be on the offensive end; his jumper has seemingly ghosted him. And it's funny that folks are in here trying to argue against the point of this thread when they wouldn't do it for any other star player.

 

[Drizzy Dre]

I been said the Lakers should’ve dropped out the Kawhi sweepstakes and got Kemba or Butler.

Dude is a great motivator and teammate.

 

[THE MACHINE]

1) Is there another max player in the league that could be the 4th leading scorer on his own team in the conference finals and still be immune to any criticism?

I dont think you can really criticize since they're winning. Now if they lose this series from being up 3-1 and he's still pulling these vanishing acts then he should get crushed, but this squad has exceeded expectations by making it this far. I don't think anyone sees him as a number 1 on a championship team.

 

[Left.A1]

Yall acting like Jimmy hasn't shown us he could be the go to guy in the Pacers series. The way Miami runs their offense, there doesn't need to be a consistent number 1 scorer. It's dynamic similar to the 2014
Spurs

He's a max player because he's a 2 way star and a leader. Dude doesn't have to average 30 points a game to deserve a max

Points Per Game is the only metric that a lot of these nikkas like the OP place value on

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

As a Heat fan, in a vacuum, I think Jimmy Butler is the perfect fit for the Heat culture. BUT with that being said, he’s a max player and naturally the expectations that come with such are different. Ive been adamant all year that this Heat team is good enough to win it all except Jimmy Butler isn’t quite good enough on the offensive end to be the go-to guy when the role players that the Heat have counted on all year aren’t playing well. So, for sake of discussion, my questions are simply the following:

1) Is there another max player in the league that could be the 4th leading scorer on his own team in the conference finals and still be immune to any criticism?

2) Is there another max player and unquestioned leader of his squad in the league that feels like he’s just “one of the guys”? I don’t feel like Jimmy is significantly better than the other main contributors on the Heat on the offensive end. It makes Spo’s job infinitely harder because Jimmy; and even Bam (he’s still young and developing so I give him a pass), aren’t the type of “best players on the team” that will overwhelm you offensively so it’s a lot of just feeding the hot hand. But when that hot hand can he one of 6 guys because your best player(s) aren’t the type of player you can give the ball to and he can consistently get you buckets in one-on-one, it makes it that much harder when the role players aren’t playing well.

the way i see it is that the heat offense is so balanced that if it just so happens that the role players arent playing well then they probably wont be in a position to win at all. butler can still get buckets if he is directed to by spo but his shaky jumper limits it. the role players have to be hitting to space the floor enough for jimmy to get into the lane or open the mid range for him...and if they are not hitting to the point where they strictly run jimmy iso then chances are they are out of reach.

its when at least 1 or 2 of the role players are playing well and its a close game that jimmy iso is in play and he is more than capable of getting a bucket or to the line.

as for your questions

1: does gobert count?
2. kemba is the leader and also one of the guys. probably lowry too

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

He’s not an A level player

 

[Kang Deezy]

He’s no tatum

 

[H. Selassie]

Respect the hell out of Jimmy but tonight is a prime example of what the OP means.

0 in the second half so far.

 

[Left.A1]

What a thread

 

[Conscious Pilot]

Happy for Jimmy though I Picked the Celtics to come out East all year. His impact goes beyond the boxscore especially with the way this team is constructed.

 

[mastermind]

As a Heat fan, in a vacuum, I think Jimmy Butler is the perfect fit for the Heat culture. BUT with that being said, he’s a max player and naturally the expectations that come with such are different. Ive been adamant all year that this Heat team is good enough to win it all except Jimmy Butler isn’t quite good enough on the offensive end to be the go-to guy when the role players that the Heat have counted on all year aren’t playing well. So, for sake of discussion, my questions are simply the following:

1) Is there another max player in the league that could be the 4th leading scorer on his own team in the conference finals and still be immune to any criticism?

2) Is there another max player and unquestioned leader of his squad in the league that feels like he’s just “one of the guys”? I don’t feel like Jimmy is significantly better than the other main contributors on the Heat on the offensive end. It makes Spo’s job infinitely harder because Jimmy; and even Bam (he’s still young and developing so I give him a pass), aren’t the type of “best players on the team” that will overwhelm you offensively so it’s a lot of just feeding the hot hand. But when that hot hand can he one of 6 guys because your best player(s) aren’t the type of player you can give the ball to and he can consistently get you buckets in one-on-one, it makes it that much harder when the role players aren’t playing well.

All of this text to showcase that you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Piff Huxtable]

Jimmy just did something Steve Nash never could do

 

[mastermind]

He’s not an A level player

He isn’t, but there are only five of those in the league.

 

[Conscious Pilot]

 

[Left.A1]

Buhhh buhhh buhhh PPG!!!!!!!!!