Let's re-visit 50 Cent's 2007 Smack DVD interview

[SpacelySprockets]

I know you're baiting and will probably respond with a shytpost but I just want to point out that you're wrong on the year, and if you think about it, your post says more about Fif than Ja when you factor in circumstances behind Ja's downfall then compare it to Fif's.

In other words; 50's career was cut short just like Ja but without any of the external causes, which means, his music was so awful that the damage it did to his career was on par with a person who was despised by the culture, actually black balled by the industry, and who had his label shut down by the feds. And to top it all off, 50, at his height, was significantly bigger than Ja in the mainstream and in the "streets".

The fact that one can even draw a relation between 50's career trajectory and Ja is one hell of a strike against 50, not Ja.

"bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50"
yea the feds told him to make "body" the feds used their magic to make his single flop with a scorching hot prime wayne during a time when anything he touched was a hit
the feds made blood in my eye flop

guarantee if the feds shut down cash money today, drake would come out unscathed and still be a top priority at whatever label he went to, same with kendrick and tde, shyt even meek mill, u think if mmg got shut down nikkas woulda suddenly stopped anticipating dc4? if youre a top rapper something like that aint gonna suddenly end your whole career

but you're right he was despised by the culture after 50 destroyed his reputation

here we are 9 years after 50s fall from grace and he's still considered an a-list celebrity, he gets constant media coverage, hit tv show, and a single that just went gold, whereas 9 years after ja's fall from grace he sat in a cell and not one person gave a fukk.. not one nikka screamed out "free ja rule" got released and nikkas still didnt give a fukk, attempted to do a mtv reality show but that got canceled after 1 episode cuz only 1 person watched it(probably u), not to mention the album he released that only sold 3k



theres levels to this falling off shyt

 

[SpacelySprockets]

 

[julesocean]

when i watch these videos, it's painfully clear to me that from 2007 onwards, 50 was 100% blacklisted by the industry, on all levels. (Labels all the way to radios)

I dont know if it had to do with Interscope, or maybe another artist pulling strings, but he, just like Dame Dash, is FAR FAR FAR too real for them to handle.

Imagine any artists out today talking like this on the breakfast club? No, everyone is fake friends. That whole era of hiphop is done and gone. The pop execs have moved in, non-black cultured influences all over the scene.

50 always my favorite. Extremely intelligent and genuine artist.

1) He didn't get blackballed, his music plain fell off. for instance, when interscope was delaying what was supposed to be his last album there, these were street and official singles 50 was pushing to be promoted, i'll let you be the judge:




He later came with New Day but Alicia Keys and Swizz hijacked that song for her album. Interscope gave My Life a proper release complete with a video and live performance on The Voice and it was still quickly forgotten, which was probably extremely disappointing for them considering the artists involved. Take thecoli's view for what it's worth, but I don't believe anyone here took to it here either. He got to go indie which he wanted, but a million major label distributors came crawling to him because his name has potential. Capitol/UMG didn't blackball him did they?

2) It's easy to see why Dame Dash got blackballed, there was just a thread of him the other day from his Roc days wildin out at Def Jam. Dame is business smart, but he conducts himself extremely poorly from what I've seen. Fif and Dame are 2 completely different stories.

3 & 4) You can catch some of them do it, but mostly just all old vet's whose opportunities have all fizzled out. One guy that is relevant that does it though is Kanye West. 50's interviews are always a much listen, as he knows that the controversy sells, as well in his later days he just drops some solid insight behind the industry. Doesn't change the fact that his music isn't what it used to be.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

"bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50"

I'm curious, do you realize that you just argued against a quote that you imagined I said to evade what I actually said? What's even more astounding about this poorly concocted strawman is that even if the main point of my post was about the cause of Ja's downfall, I listed an array of causes, not just one.

yea the feds told him to make "body" the feds used their magic to make his single flop with a scorching hot prime wayne during a time when anything he touched was a hit
the feds made blood in my eye flop

I said the feds were responsible for blood in my eye flopping? I mentioned Uh-Ohhh in my last post? All news to me; maybe your love for sucking 50's cock gave you the ability to read minds!

guarantee if the feds shut down cash money today, drake would come out unscathed and still be a top priority at whatever label he went to, same with kendrick and tde, shyt even meek mill, u think if mmg got shut down nikkas woulda suddenly stopped anticipating dc4? if youre a top rapper something like that aint gonna suddenly end your whole career

The fallacy in this logic -- among many -- is that I never made the claim that the feds were 100% responsible for Ja's career coming to an end or that the feds were the only variable at play, you imagined that I said that and now you're arguing against that to evade the point I made about 50 in my last post because you're a fgt.(however, I do believe the feds played the biggest role in the equation).

but you're right he was despised by the culture after 50 destroyed his reputation

Wait, hold up, if you acknowledge that I brought up other factors behind Ja's demise outside of the feds than why the fukk did you just form a rebuttal under the guise that I didn't? Your desperation to protect your forum ego is showing, fgt.

here we are 9 years after 50s fall from grace and he's still considered an a-list celebrity, he gets constant media coverage, hit tv show, and a single that just went gold, whereas 9 years after ja's fall from grace he sat in a cell and not one person gave a fukk.. not one nikka screamed out "free ja rule" got released and nikkas still didnt give a fukk, attempted to do a mtv reality show but that got canceled after 1 episode cuz only 1 person watched it(probably u), not to mention the album he released that only sold 3k



theres levels to this falling off shyt

1st anything outside the context of music is irrelevant to our ongoing exchange.

2nd, do I have to remind you that you were the one who initiated this exchange by noting Ja's height was short just like Fif's. That's not something I brought up.

3rd, I would look at your analysis a little different. Why should I be surprised by the degree to which Ja fell off? What other rapper experienced the same external events that he did to the exact same extent but still managed to come out unscathed that is enabling you to find the current state of Ja's career as something unusual?

And this brings us back to actual point being discussed; anybody with a bit of common sense would expect Ja's fall to have long lasting implications on the success of his future endeavors in media due to the stigma that came as a result of the events in his music career, the question is why is 50 not that far off from the place that Ja finds himself in despite sharing a completely different career?

I mean, 50 didn't have a "50" going at him, 50 didn't get criticized for the type of singles he made to the point that the entire culture turned on him (despite directly copying Ja's formula for singles), 50 didn't have the feds to deal with, 50 didn't experience what Ja did, no one did and probably never will for numerous reasons.

Yet, as the dust settled with The Massacre -- 50's second studio album, I might add -- his run as the face of the culture was done and lasted similarly in length to Ja's run. And everything that has followed hasn't made so much of a peep in the culture. Seriously, 50 could have stopped making music after Curtis and it would have practically made no difference to the current state of his discog.

Anyway, to finalize my point, its relative, if you only look at the results in terms of numbers than Ja fell off worse, but if you look at the completely different circumstances behind their runs and factor it into your analysis, you should expect 50's legacy to have more in common with Jay than Ja and that the dismal state of Ja's career today is to be expected. But you actually see the complete opposite, 50 is closer to Ja than Jay, which speaks to how bad 50 cent has failed as an artist. In that sense...50 fell of worse, musically speaking.

 

[iseetrolledpeople]

I'm curious, do you realize that you just argued against a quote that you imagined I said to evade what I actually said? What's even more astounding about this poorly concocted strawman is that even if the main point of my post was about the cause of Ja's downfall, I listed an array of causes, not just one.



I said the feds were responsible for blood in my eye flopping? I mentioned Uh-Ohhh in my last post? All news to me; maybe your love for sucking 50's cock gave you the ability to read minds!


The fallacy in this logic -- among many -- is that I never made the claim that the feds were 100% responsible for Ja's career coming to an end or that the feds were the only variable at play, you imagined that I said that and now you're arguing against that to evade the point I made about 50 in my last post because you're a fgt.(however, I do believe the feds played the biggest role in the equation).




Wait, hold up, if you acknowledge that I brought up other factors behind Ja's demise outside of the feds than why the fukk did you just form a rebuttal under the guise that I didn't? Your desperation to protect your forum ego is showing, fgt.




1st anything outside the context of music is irrelevant to our ongoing exchange.

2nd, do I have to remind you,that you were the one who initiated this exchange by noting Ja's height was short just like Fif's.

3rd, I would look at your analysis a little different. Why should I be surprised by the degree to which Ja fell off? What other rapper experienced the same external events that he did to the same exact extent but still managed to come out unscathed that is enabling you to find the current state of Ja's career as something unusual?

And this brings us back to actual point being discussed; anybody with a bit of common sense would expect Ja's fall to have long lasting implications on the success of his future endeavors in media due to the stigma that came as a result of the events in his music career, the question is why is 50 not that far off from the place that Ja finds himself in despite sharing a completely different career?

I mean, 50 didn't have a "50" going at him, 50 didn't get criticized for the type of singles he made to the point that the entire culture turned on him (despite directly copying Ja's formula for singles), 50 didn't have the feds to deal with, 50 didn't experience what Ja did, no one did and probably never will for numerous reasons. Yet, as the dust settled with The Massacre -- 50's second studio album, I might add -- his run as the face of the culture was done and lasted similarly in length to Ja at his height. And everything that has followed hasn't made so much of a peep in the culture. Seriously, 50 could have stopped making music after Curtis and it would have practically made no difference to the current state of his discog.

Anyway, to finalize my point, its relative, if you only look at the results in terms of share numbers than Ja fell off worse, but if you look at the completely different circumstances behind their runs and factor it into your analysis, you should expect 50's legacy to have more in common with Jay than Ja and that the dismal state of Ja's career today is to be expected, but you actually see the complete opposite, 50 is closer to Ja than Jay, which speaks to how bad 50 cent is an artist. In that sense...50 fell of worse, musically speaking.

Ja wtf man? Still mad after all these years? Let it go man.

 

[10bandz]

@ this thread

 

[~Styles~]

I'm curious, do you realize that you just argued against a quote that you imagined I said to evade what I actually said? What's even more astounding about this poorly concocted strawman is that even if the main point of my post was about the cause of Ja's downfall, I listed an array of causes, not just one.



I said the feds were responsible for blood in my eye flopping? I mentioned Uh-Ohhh in my last post? All news to me; maybe your love for sucking 50's cock gave you the ability to read minds!


The fallacy in this logic -- among many -- is that I never made the claim that the feds were 100% responsible for Ja's career coming to an end or that the feds were the only variable at play, you imagined that I said that and now you're arguing against that to evade the point I made about 50 in my last post because you're a fgt.(however, I do believe the feds played the biggest role in the equation).




Wait, hold up, if you acknowledge that I brought up other factors behind Ja's demise outside of the feds than why the fukk did you just form a rebuttal under the guise that I didn't? Your desperation to protect your forum ego is showing, fgt.




1st anything outside the context of music is irrelevant to our ongoing exchange.

2nd, do I have to remind you,that you were the one who initiated this exchange by noting Ja's height was short just like Fif's.

3rd, I would look at your analysis a little different. Why should I be surprised by the degree to which Ja fell off? What other rapper experienced the same external events that he did to the same exact extent but still managed to come out unscathed that is enabling you to find the current state of Ja's career as something unusual?

And this brings us back to actual point being discussed; anybody with a bit of common sense would expect Ja's fall to have long lasting implications on the success of his future endeavors in media due to the stigma that came as a result of the events in his music career, the question is why is 50 not that far off from the place that Ja finds himself in despite sharing a completely different career?

I mean, 50 didn't have a "50" going at him, 50 didn't get criticized for the type of singles he made to the point that the entire culture turned on him (despite directly copying Ja's formula for singles), 50 didn't have the feds to deal with, 50 didn't experience what Ja did, no one did and probably never will for numerous reasons. Yet, as the dust settled with The Massacre -- 50's second studio album, I might add -- his run as the face of the culture was done and lasted similarly in length to Ja at his height. And everything that has followed hasn't made so much of a peep in the culture. Seriously, 50 could have stopped making music after Curtis and it would have practically made no difference to the current state of his discog.

Anyway, to finalize my point, its relative, if you only look at the results in terms of share numbers than Ja fell off worse, but if you look at the completely different circumstances behind their runs and factor it into your analysis, you should expect 50's legacy to have more in common with Jay than Ja and that the dismal state of Ja's career today is to be expected, but you actually see the complete opposite, 50 is closer to Ja than Jay, which speaks to how bad 50 cent is an artist. In that sense...50 fell of worse, musically speaking.

Damn @AJaRuleStan you got a few issues that need addressing kid.

 

[FreshAIG]

Beasley

 

[AJaRuleStan]

1

 

[Jack Skellington]

99-07 young 50

09 - present day old 50

 

[tuckgod]

those were the last times he did interviews without saying actual space competitive nature aggressive content harsh realities

5:55

 

[HARLEM AL]

This thread is jokes lol

 

[SpacelySprockets]

I'm curious, do you realize that you just argued against a quote that you imagined I said to evade what I actually said? What's even more astounding about this poorly concocted strawman is that even if the main point of my post was about the cause of Ja's downfall, I listed an array of causes, not just one.



I said the feds were responsible for blood in my eye flopping? I mentioned Uh-Ohhh in my last post? All news to me; maybe your love for sucking 50's cock gave you the ability to read minds!


The fallacy in this logic -- among many -- is that I never made the claim that the feds were 100% responsible for Ja's career coming to an end or that the feds were the only variable at play, you imagined that I said that and now you're arguing against that to evade the point I made about 50 in my last post because you're a fgt.(however, I do believe the feds played the biggest role in the equation).




Wait, hold up, if you acknowledge that I brought up other factors behind Ja's demise outside of the feds than why the fukk did you just form a rebuttal under the guise that I didn't? Your desperation to protect your forum ego is showing, fgt.




1st anything outside the context of music is irrelevant to our ongoing exchange.

2nd, do I have to remind you that you were the one who initiated this exchange by noting Ja's height was short just like Fif's. That's not something I brought up.

3rd, I would look at your analysis a little different. Why should I be surprised by the degree to which Ja fell off? What other rapper experienced the same external events that he did to the exact same extent but still managed to come out unscathed that is enabling you to find the current state of Ja's career as something unusual?

And this brings us back to actual point being discussed; anybody with a bit of common sense would expect Ja's fall to have long lasting implications on the success of his future endeavors in media due to the stigma that came as a result of the events in his music career, the question is why is 50 not that far off from the place that Ja finds himself in despite sharing a completely different career?

I mean, 50 didn't have a "50" going at him, 50 didn't get criticized for the type of singles he made to the point that the entire culture turned on him (despite directly copying Ja's formula for singles), 50 didn't have the feds to deal with, 50 didn't experience what Ja did, no one did and probably never will for numerous reasons.

Yet, as the dust settled with The Massacre -- 50's second studio album, I might add -- his run as the face of the culture was done and lasted similarly in length to Ja's run. And everything that has followed hasn't made so much of a peep in the culture. Seriously, 50 could have stopped making music after Curtis and it would have practically made no difference to the current state of his discog.

Anyway, to finalize my point, its relative, if you only look at the results in terms of numbers than Ja fell off worse, but if you look at the completely different circumstances behind their runs and factor it into your analysis, you should expect 50's legacy to have more in common with Jay than Ja and that the dismal state of Ja's career today is to be expected. But you actually see the complete opposite, 50 is closer to Ja than Jay, which speaks to how bad 50 cent has failed as an artist. In that sense...50 fell of worse, musically speaking.

nikka typed a fukking scholarly journal over ja rule desperately reaching talking about "bbbut I didnt literally say that quote word for word" No you didnt say the EXACT SAME quote but thats not the point, I can still argue those exact same points because you said all of that just to end it with saying "bbbbut I do think the feds played the biggest role" which is bullshyt and validates my points in the other post. Everything I pointed out in regards to the shortcomings in ja's career like the flops had nothing to do with the feds, he was dead in the water by the time they came into the equation.

The feds did not end ja rule's career nor did they play a big part in it. They investigated the label he was signed to whose name was already tarnished by 50 Cent and turned into a r&b label, and even when they went under he was still releasing singles and still had a record deal. The music just happened to flop even with a feature from the most popular rapper at the time. Why was lloyd and ashanti able to release albums during those times but not ja? The feds didnt seem to stop them

U typing all that shyt about 50s run and eventual fall like I could give 2 fukks Im not in denial about the fact that he fell off.. but like I said theres levels to this falling off shyt. Ja Rule sold 3k copies on his last album, 50 just went gold on his single 10 years removed from his commercial peak. The last time I heard about Ja Rule in the media was a rumor about him leaving his wife for his gay prison lover a few years ago, you hear about 50 every other day.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

[Hardaway]

@SpacelySprockets this nikka killin u b deadass