Let's re-visit 50 Cent's 2007 Smack DVD interview

[NvrCMyNut]

Honestly, he just sounds resentful due to knowing his career is on the back burner which is sad seeing how he just debuted a few years prior to this interview being conducted, but when the music is trash, its trash.

Kind of crazy to think how hard he fell off in just 3 years

 

[FeloniousMonk]

but he, just like Dame Dash, is FAR FAR FAR too real for them to handle.

50 cent still has star power tho.

Dame Dash burnt bridges smashing on EVERYONE keeping it far far far to real...and look where it got him..the laughing stock on the industry..

 

[AJaRuleStan]

nikka typed a fukking scholarly journal over ja rule

I'm sorry that I don't resort to frequent shytposting so I can score points on the forums to stoke my ego.

reaching to make points taking things literal because youre desperate after I made u look like a fukking dikkhead.

Wait, you're really going to sit there and accuse me of acting desperate and reaching when you LITERALLY just hallucinated a strawman out of thin air so you could misrepresent my positions to win an internet debate.

No you didnt say the EXACT SAME quote that I said but thats not the point

No, I understand the point clearly. Your motivation is to win e-battles because it makes you feel good, so of-course you would have zero interest in engaging what I actually wrote because it wasn't something you could "win", so you fabricated some bullshyt red-herring talking-point about the feds&Ja and then argued against that instead, while portraying me as the opposing side despite nothing that I wrote earlier implied that was my position.

you DIDNT say the feds are the only reason ja rule's career is over. You said all of that just to end it with saying "bbbbut I do think the feds played the biggest role" which is bullshyt and validates my points in the other post.

You're not even close to being coherent anymore. Just for a fukking second think about what you just wrote. Regardless if you think its a true statement or not, saying that the Feds played a larger role than the other variables at play, still indicates that I'm acknowledging that other factors were at work, that does not, in anyway, validate your point, you dumbass. It actually contradicts it.

For me to validate your claims about my position, I would have to say the Feds were the sole reason for Ja's career dying which would imply that 50 wasn't a factor. C'mon, this is just basic logic here. fukking embarrassing.

Everything I pointed out in regards to the shortcomings in ja's career like the flops had nothing to do with the feds, he was dead in the water by the time they came into the equation.

First, everything you pointed out is irrelevant because the debate was not about the causalities behind Ja's run ending -- that's a a red-herring you are injecting into the discussion -- our dialogue was about your original point about Ja's career life span at the top being relatively short like 50's, which I pointed out as being a bigger insult to 50 than Ja. You REFUSE to address that argument.

Second, you didn't prove shyt because you neglected R.U.L.E from your earlier breakdown. All we have to do to test your assertions is look where Ja's career stood post the beef, and where it stood post def jam kicking him and Irv out due to the feds. In the former, R.U.L.E showed progress in every category imaginable when compared to Blood in My Eye, in the ladder, Ja had no real career to speak of.

The music just happened to flop even with a feature from the most popular rapper at the time. Why was lloyd and ashanti able to release albums during those times but not ja? The feds didnt seem to stop them

If what you claim to say is factually true than R.U.L.E would have continued the downward trend set by Blood In My Eye, but the facts show the complete opposite. That leaves me to conclude that what occurred after R.U.L.E was caused by factors that weren't present prior to R.U.L.E.

U typing all that shyt about 50s run and eventual fall like I could give 2 fukks Im not in denial about the fact that he fell off.. but like I said theres levels to this falling off shyt. Ja Rule sold 3k copies on his last

My point is simply not that 50 fell off you idiot. My point is that his career was cut-short in a way that is similar to ja, despite not sharing any of the characteristics that caused Ja to fall. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Its like if you compared the prospects of life outcomes with a rich white kid from Park Avenue to some poor black kid in Brazil; you would expect to find that the Brazil kid would most likely produce poor results in life due to his circumstances, and that the white kid would produce the opposite. Much to your surprise, the white kid barely progressed more than the Brazil kid. What do you conclude from that? That something was deeply, inherently, flawed with the white kid.

Also, even though the white kid produced slightly better results, I seriously doubt you would claim that the Brazil kid "fell off" worse. This is the same point i'm making about Ja and 50 but your IQ was too low to see that earlier, hopefully this analogy helped you out a bit, but I doubt it.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

No, I understand the point clearly. Your motivation is to win e-battles because it makes you feel good, so of-course you would have zero interest in engaging what I actually wrote because it wasn't something you could "win", so you fabricated some bullshyt red-herring talking-point about the feds&Ja and then argued against that instead, while portraying me as the opposing side despite nothing that I wrote earlier implied that was my position.

Speak for yourself, u started the whole argument when all I did was point out how your favorite rapper fell off too and somehow u interpreted that as me trying to "bait u" into an argument but im the one tryna win a battle, fabricated bullshyt talking point about the feds? You said the feds played the biggest part in ending his career, I said they didnt and stated major failures in his career that had nothing to do with the feds. The feds didnt make people stop supporting his music nor did they make him stop being able to release music seeing as how other murda inc artists continued to release music up until 2008, period.

Your not even close to being coherent anymore. Just for a fukking second think about what you just wrote. Regardless if you think its a true statement or not, saying that the Feds played a larger role than the other variables at play, still indicates that I'm acknowledging that other factors where at work, that does not, in anyway, validate your point, you dumbass. It actually contradicts it.

For me to validate your claims about my position, I would have to say the Feds were the sole reason for Ja's career dying which would imply that 50 wasn't a factor. C'mon, this is just basic logic here. fukking embarrassing.

Youre saying they were the biggest factor when they werent a fukking factor at all, everything I stated were bigger factors than the feds, thats the point fakkit.

First, everything you pointed out is irrelevant because the debate was not about the causalities behind Ja's run ending -- that's a a red-herring you are injecting into the discussion -- our dialogue was about your original point about Ja's career life span at the top being relatively short like 50's, which I pointed out as being a bigger insult to 50 than Ja. You REFUSE to address that argument.

It's relevant because youre trying to downplay said casualties by saying that the feds were the biggest factors into everything when they werent. Thats why im naming these things, none of them correlate to the fukking feds, you can't name anything the feds did to Ja Rule that directly affected his record sales or reputation to the general public.

Second, you didn't prove shyt because you neglected R.U.L.E from your earlier breakdown. All we have to do to test your assertions is look where Ja's career stood post the beef, and where he stood post def jam kicking him and Irv out due to the feds. In the former, R.U.L.E showed progress in every category imaginable compared to Blood in My Eye, in the ladder, Ja had no real career to speak off.

The nikka still flopped and went gold in an era when everybody and their mother could go platinum.. he had wonderful and new york and those were hits, but even blood in my eye had clap back. Not to mention this is only 1 year removed from 50 cents debut and 2 years removed from when he was actually a platinum rapper. Still a hard fall, dont try to act like his career was on some fukking upward trajectory, otherwise he would have been able to follow up this album with more success.

My point is simply not that 50 fell off you idiot. My point is that his career was cut-short in a way that is similar to ja, despite not sharing any of the characteristics that caused Ja to fall. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

As far as u saying I "refuse" to address 50s fall off, I addressed the shyt in every fukking post, I quoted u in and it doesn't hurt my feelings like Ja's fall off hurts yours u said he fell off similar to how Ja did but the only similarity is the amount of years they were on top, 50 had a way bigger impact and when he fell off he didnt fall off the face of the earth like Ja Rule. He fell off after 5 years but still remained a superstar outside of music even a decade removed from his run at the top whereas no one cares about ANYTHING Ja does. There is nothing similar about that. The characteristics that caused Ja to fall = 50 Cent.

Now inb4 u reply with some bullshyt acting like you dont understand why I made the points I made and deny that you implied the bullshyt that I called u out on because u didnt literally say it word for word, and then abuse the phrases red herring and strawman because you took a philosophy class and think you know how to read minds now.

 

[Still FloW]

GAWDFATHER FIF... THE CHOSEN ONE

crazy how ALL he said in pt.2 is happening now.. music biz is dying,nikkas gon need to figure out a new hustle.. ya'll let the music biz die letting BS take over.. damn this nikka a prophet

 

[T-K-G]

GAWDFATHER FIF... THE CHOSEN ONE

crazy how ALL he said in pt.2 is happening now.. music biz is dying,nikkas gon need to figure out a new hustle.. ya'll let the music biz die letting BS take over.. damn this nikka a prophet

When he said rap nikkas gonna be the new nascar wit a bunch of stickers slapped on em all i could think about was Asap and all the rest of these fashion/hypebeast rappers he seen it coming miles away

 

[T-K-G]

Beasley

Was instigatin his ass off nikka was on his vlad shyt

His voice was a few octaves away from the typical "URL" voice tho bothered the hell outta me lol

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Speak for yourself, u started the whole argument when all I did was point out how your favorite rapper fell off too

And I followed up by basically saying that says more about 50 than Ja. That's all. You then ignored that altogether and concocted this strawman, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" - your words. I exposed your poor attempt to bait, and now you're back tracking to save face. And its real obvious too. Its kinda pathetic how you think no one notices, but you might be so dumb and diluted that you actually believe the narrative that you invented in your head.

It's relevant because youre trying to downplay said casualties by saying that the feds were the biggest factors into everything when they werent. Thats why im naming these things, none of them correlate to the fukking feds, you can't name anything the feds did to Ja Rule that directly affected his record sales or reputation to the general public.

Huh, that doesn't even make sense, on multiple levels too, but mainly, I expressed that idea AFTER you entered this quote into the convo, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50". You had no idea about what my opinion was regarding the impact of the feds in your second post so how can you say that it made you posting this,"bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" relevant. Doesn't make sense.

The nikka still flopped and went gold in an era when everybody and their mother could go platinum.. he had wonderful and new york and those were hits, but even blood in my eye had clap back. Not to mention this is only 1 year removed from 50 cents debut and 2 years removed from when he was actually a platinum rapper. Still a hard fall, dont try to act like his career was on some fukking upward trajectory, otherwise he would have been able to follow up this album with more success.

You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts, and in this case, the facts contradict your hypothesis. R.U.L.E saw an increase in first week sales and in overall life sales compared to Blood In My Eye which didn't even go gold. And both Wonderful and New York out charted Clap Back(5 and 27 vs 44). You can't portray this narrative that Ja was at some point of no return after the beef with fif when on every relevant result attribute, R.U.L.E saw gains compared to Ja's previous flop. And saying the facts don't count because they don't support your side isn't a valid counter argument. Its simply not even an argument.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

And I followed up by basically saying that says more about 50 than Ja. That's all. You then ignored that altogether and concocted this strawman, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" - your words. I exposed your poor attempt to bait, and now you're back tracking to save face. And its real obvious too. Its kinda pathetic how you think no one notices, but you might be so dumb and diluted that you actually believe that bullshyt you're saying.

You said the feds played the biggest part in ending Ja Rule's career, I told you why they didnt. Bbbbut strawman redherring bait blah - AJaRuleStan

Huh, that doesn't even make sense, on multiple levels too, but mainly, I expressed that idea AFTER you entered this quote into the convo, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50". You had no idea about what my opinion was regarding the impact of the feds in your second post so how can you say that it made you posting this,"bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" relevant. Doesn't make sense.

You mentioned the feds and I expanded on why bringing them up is a fukking stupid copout that some people like to bring up when talking about his career ending. But you're right you didn't mention the feds being the biggest factor in your opinion until after I said that.. BUT you eventually did say it.. so the point I initially made in regards to it stands.

You're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts, and in this case the facts contradict your hypothesis. R.U.L.E saw an increase in first week sales and in overall life sales compared to Blood In My Eye which didn't even go gold. And both Wonderful and New York out charted Clap Back(5 and 27 vs 44). You can't portray this narrative that Ja was at some point of no return after the beef with fif when on every relevant result attribute, R.U.L.E saw gains compared to Ja's previous flop. And saying the facts don't count because they don't support your notions isn't a valid counter argument. Its simply not even an argument.

R.U.L.E. was a flop too, it just didn't flop as bad as Blood In My Eye because it had commercial singles compared to BIME being straight hardcore rap. It sold 200k more but it still flopped. But you act like he stopped releasing music after that, if R.U.L.E was such a success then his career would have been on an upward trajectory following it. Uh Oh wouldn't have flopped, Body wouldn't have flopped. He put out singles and they underperformed to the point that he pushed his album back for years till it eventually leaked years later

 

[AJaRuleStan]

You said the feds played the biggest part in ending Ja Rule's career, I told you why they didnt. Bbbbut strawman redherring bait blah - AJaRuleStan

Are you trolling or are you really that diluted? Because I have no idea why you continue to deny what was actually wrote, and when it was actually wrote, especially since our conversation is recorded for everyone to go back and read. You can't say that X prompted you to say Y, when Y came before X.

My opinion about how severe the feds impacted Ja was not known to you when you made your second response to me, and even if it was, your argument was against this, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" not this, "the feds played the biggest role in Ja's career coming to end". The ladder argument still implies other components -- in compound -- caused Ja's career to end, the former doesn't. So none of your points in the second response hold, they don't even relate. For fukk sakes, how can you clearly not see that?

But you're right you didn't mention the feds being the biggest factor in your opinion until after I said that.. BUT you eventually did say it.. so the point I initially made in regards to it stands.

I said, "Fed's played the largest role in finishing Ja's career". The points you made prior to me posting that information was refuting this claim, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50". Those counter arguments don't carry over to one another, and if you can't see that then you're flat out retarded.

R.U.L.E. was a flop too, it just didn't flop as bad as Blood In My Eye

Why do you always strawman everything? The question is not how did R.U.L.E fare in comparison to the top sellers of 04 -- that's not even a relevant talking-point -- the question to be answered is what was the state of Ja's career in the aftermath of the 50 beef.

You implied that Ja's career was at a point of no return. I said okay, its an empirical matter, lets test it. If what you claim is true, I should expect to find a continuous slump starting with Blood In My Eye, but then I looked at the hard cold facts when testing your assertions, I noticed that between Blood In My Eye and R.U.L.E, the down turn in Ja's career was progressively being corrected and his popularity was being restored, somewhat.

Am I saying a miracle was taken place? NO! But that hard evidence does not fit with the notion that Ja's career was finalized by 50 cent in 02-03, it goes against it. And more importantly, it implies that the deterioration which occurred after R.U.L.E -- which actually finalized Ja's career -- was caused by a change that was introduced in that time frame, not before. Thus, my "fed" hypothesis is supported by stronger evidence than your hypothesis. The facts are the facts, breh!

But you act like he stopped releasing music after that, if R.U.L.E was such a success then his career would have been on an upward trajectory following it. Uh Oh wouldn't have flopped, Body wouldn't have flopped.

First, stop misrepresenting my position -- like you always do -- by implying I said R.U.L.E was a success, in general. I have never argued that. I claimed that R.U.L.E didn't follow the trend set by Blood In My Eye which is FACTUALLY accurate.

Second...Not necessarily, due to the feds(among many things), Murder Inc had no home between 04-06, so Ja was artificially delayed for years, which means any traction restored by R.U.L.E was long gone by 07. Ever heard of the saying, "Strike when the iron is hot"? Yeah, Ja was not in a position were he could afford to take that sort of extended break. And just to give you some more perspective; I was in 8th grade in 04, by 07, I was a Junior in HS. That's a large chuck of time to be gone, especially in a time span were the culture was rapidly changing.

 

[Leasy]

Laughing at my desk shyt is horrible.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Are you trolling or are you really that diluted? Because I have no idea why you continue to deny what was actually wrote, and when it was actually wrote, especially since our conversation is recorded for everyone to go back and read. You can't say that X prompted you to say Y, when Y came before X.

My opinion about how severe the feds impacted Ja was not known to you when you made your second response to me, and even if it was, your argument was against this, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" not this, "the feds played the biggest role in Ja's career coming to end". The ladder argument still implies other components -- in compound -- caused Ja's career to end, the former doesn't. So none of your points in the second response hold, they don't even relate. For fukk sakes, how can you clearly not see that?




I said, "Fed's played the largest role in finishing Ja's career". The points you made prior to me posting that information was refuting this claim, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50". Those counter arguments don't carry over to one another, and if you can't see that then you're flat out retarded.




Why do you always strawman everything? The question is not how did R.U.L.E fare in comparison to the top sellers of 04 -- that's not even a relevant talking-point -- the question to be answered is what was the state of Ja's career in the aftermath of the 50 beef.

You implied that Ja's career was at a point of no return. I said okay, its an empirical matter, lets test it. If what you claim is true, I should expect to find a continuous slump starting with Blood In My Eye, but then I looked at the hard cold facts when testing your assertions, I noticed that between Blood In My Eye and R.U.L.E, the down turn in Ja's career was progressively being corrected and his popularity was being restored, somewhat.

Am I saying a miracle was taken place? NO! But that hard evidence does not fit with the notion that Ja's career was finalized by 50 cent in 02-03, it goes against it. And more importantly, it implies that the deterioration which occurred after R.U.L.E -- which actually finalized Ja's career -- was caused by a change that was introduced in that time frame, not before. Thus, my "fed" hypothesis is supported by stronger evidence than your hypothesis. The facts are the facts, breh!



First, stop misrepresenting my position -- like you always do -- by implying I said R.U.L.E was a success, in general. I have never argued that. I claimed that R.U.L.E didn't follow the trend set by Blood In My Eye which is FACTUALLY accurate.

Second...Not necessarily, due to the feds(among many things), Murder Inc had no home between 04-06, so Ja was artificially delayed for years, which means any traction restored by R.U.L.E was long gone by 07. Ever heard of the saying, "Strike when the iron is hot"? Yeah, Ja was not in a position were he could afford to take that sort of extended break. And just to give you some more perspective; I was in 8th grade in 04, by 07, I was a Junior in HS. That's a large chuck of time to be gone, especially in a time span were the culture was rapidly changing.

You keep repeating the same shyt over and over acting like u have no idea what im saying, either your reading comprehension skills are fukking garbage or youre purposely doing this playing dumb so u dont look like a dikkhead even though u still do. You brought up the feds, I replied to the feds comment and expanded on it by naming major things that happened which had nothing to do with the feds because I always see someone bring up the feds excuse in regards to his downfall. I acknowledged the fukking fact that u didn't say anything about them being the biggest factor until after my comment, I said that in the exact same quote you replied to but lets ignore that. You then replied to my response to your feds remark by validating my whole argument with the "I feel like they were the biggest factor" comment:

But you're right you didn't mention the feds being the biggest factor in your opinion until after I said that.. - SpacelySprockets, November 2, 2016, thecoli.com

You bringing up the feds prompted me to say what I said, your response to what I said justified my initial response because you were thinking it the whole time. Did I know u were thinking it? No, but I brought it out of you and you proved my whole fukking point.

You implied that Ja's career was at a point of no return. I said okay, its an empirical matter, lets test it. If what you claim is true, I should expect to find a continuous slump starting with Blood In My Eye, but then I looked at the hard cold facts when testing your assertions, I noticed that between Blood In My Eye and R.U.L.E, the down turn in Ja's career was progressively being corrected and his popularity was being restored, somewhat.

Am I saying a miracle was taken place? NO! But that hard evidence does not fit with the notion that Ja's career was finalized by 50 cent in 02-03, it goes against it. And more importantly, it implies that the deterioration which occurred after R.U.L.E -- which actually finalized Ja's career -- was caused by a change that was introduced in that time frame, not before. Thus, my "fed" hypothesis is supported by stronger evidence than your hypothesis. The facts are the facts, breh!

The facts show that following 02-03 he went from a platinum rapper to a gold selling rapper and never recovered in an era when people still purchased albums and going from platinum to gold was considered a disappointment. His run AT THE TOP lasted from 99-02, he became a complete joke by 03, he had 2 undeniable hit songs in 04 and that wasnt even enough to bring his career back to where it was just 2 years prior.. and then he was finished once the cycles for those songs ended. The facts show that he was never able to reach platinum status again, a trend started with Blood In My Eye and continued with R.U.L.E.

TECHNICALLY his commercial album R.U.L.E. sold more than his street album Blood In My Eye, which if you know how these things work and what his fanbase consisted of, is not a surprise. But TECHNICALLY it still flopped. And if u AREN'T arguing that R.U.L.E was a success then shut the fukk up, you're just arguing to argue. You bragging that a flopped album sold a bit more than the prior flopped album is like bragging that your favorite boxer got knocked out in the 3rd round as opposed to the 2nd round like his prior fight.

The iron wasn't hot, 2 songs were hits thanks to the features and then nobody gave a fukk about anything else.. there was no anticipated follow up album, nobody was bumping R.U.L.E. Piggy Bank put his nail in the coffin So ok he wasnt outta here by 03, he was outta here by 04 I was off a year Mr. Technical

Even AFTER the 3 year hiatus that u claim was such a damaging factor to Ja Rule, why was Lloyd and Ashanti able to release afterwards with no problem? How come Ja specifically kept having to push his shyt back beyond 07? How come a 07 Lil Wayne feature couldn't save him? It seemed to work for Lloyd.

Strawman this dikk.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

I just want to clarify that the purpose of this response is to highlight the constant inability that @SpacelySprockets has in understanding and following basic axioms of logic, so other posters will know not to waste their time engaging him.

BREAKING DOWN SPACELYSPROCKETS INABILITY TO THINK AND REASON - by AJaRuleStan

his music was so awful that the damage it did to his career was on par with a person who was despised by the culture, actually black balled by the industry, and who had his label shut down by the feds. And to top it all off, 50, at his height, was significantly bigger than Ja in the mainstream and in the "streets".

The fact that one can even draw a relation between 50's career trajectory and Ja is one hell of a strike against 50, not Ja.

This is where we start; the bolded text is the catalyst that starts to uncover @SpacelySprockets poor critical thinking skills. His direct response below.

"bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50"

This qoute is central in understanding how absurdly stupid Spacey is. As you can see, he completely misses the main point of my initial post regarding the "strike against" 50, but more importantly, he replaces this "who had his label shut down by the feds" to mean this "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" and then he regurgitates an array of counter arguments against his imagined argument for his imagined opponent. A clear example that spacey is not working with a full deck, but look what follows.

The fallacy in this logic -- among many -- is that I never made the claim that the feds were 100% responsible for Ja's career coming to an end or that the feds were the only variable at play, you imagined that I said that and now you're arguing against that to evade the point I made about 50 in my last post because you're a fgt.(however, I do believe the feds played the biggest role in the equation).

^^^above was my response to his strawman and his points that followed it. Now, when pressed with why he went off on such an obvious tangent, he explains that it wasn't meant for me(he's obviously back tracking to avoid facing an embarrassing mistake) but w/e. What's really bizarre is how he rationalizes that his points designed to counter his strawman, "still stands" due to the bolded text. At this point I was convinced that he wasn't attempting to bait me, he's just really dumb.

You then replied to my response to your feds remark by validating my whole argument with the "I feel like they were the biggest factor" comment:

your response to what I said justified my initial response because you were thinking it the whole time. Did I know u were thinking it? No, but I brought it out of you and you proved my whole fukking point.

This is really troubling -- on so many levels -- that its staggering to figure out where to begin unpacking his fallacies. But the obvious and most glaring flaw is how he truly believes that his argue-points against this, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" works as an argument against this, "the feds played the biggest role in Ja's career coming to end".

The ladder argument still implies other components -- in compound -- caused Ja's career to end, the former doesn't. And despite how many times I explain the clear difference between both ideas, Spacely is still completely oblivious to them. He literally thinks both ideas are 100% equal. In one sense, its remarkable that someone this stupid can even turn on a computer, let alone post on a forum.

And even IF he lacks the cognitive software to detect any sort of degrees, levels, magnitudes, or intensities, within a context, in my first response to him I say this verbatim, "who had his label shut down by the feds". I clearly and concisely explain what action I blame the feds for causing. As you see, I didn't say the feds caused blood in my eye, Uhh Ohh, or Body to flop, so how can HE think those charges he made still stand?!

Everything was specified, so Spacey literally has no excuse outside of being unable to THINK AND REASON.

he(JA's Career) was dead in the water by the time they came into the equation.

Now this was a separate argument that emerged from his strawman. Spacey is very clear in his meaning here; Ja's career was at a point of no return before the feds came into the equation.

Concise hypothesis, no way it can be misunderstood; so the question becomes; what must be required to be found in reality to prove his claim as true? Well...for one, PERMANENT DECLINE. If he's "DEAD" in the water, than finding evidence of any sort of recovery -- within reason -- should be IMPOSSIBLE.

It's very simple logic that a toddler could follow. I don't have to DEMONSTRATE if R.U.L.E was an absolute recovery, all I have to prove is that whatever change -- if any -- conflicts with his claim of "dead in the water". But once again, Spacey can't follow the logic and demands something completely different that what is required to be swayed. Its truly is a pointless endeavor to use logic in a discourse with him.


SUMMARY -
What are we left to conclude about @SpacelySprockets?

1. He's an idiot!

2. debating and idiot is futile, so don't do it!

3. "The fact that one can even draw a relation between 50's career trajectory and Ja is one hell of a strike against 50, not Ja"

 

[SpacelySprockets]

I just want to clarify that the purpose of this response is to highlight the constant inability that @SpacelySprockets has in understanding and following basic axioms of logic, so other posters will know not to waste their time engaging him.

BREAKING DOWN SPACELYSPROCKETS INABILITY TO THINK AND REASON - by AJaRuleStan




This is where we start; the bolded text is the catalyst that starts to uncover @SpacelySprockets poor critical thinking skills. His direct response below.



This qoute is central in understanding how absurdly stupid Spacey is. As you can see, he completely misses the main point of my initial post regarding the "strike against" 50, but more importantly, he replaces this "who had his label shut down by the feds" to mean this "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" and then he regurgitates an array of counter arguments against his imagined argument for his imagined opponent. A clear example that spacey is not working with a full deck, but look what follows.



^^^above was my response to his strawman and his points that followed it. Now, when pressed with why he went off on such an obvious tangent, he explains that it wasn't meant for me(he's obviously back tracking to avoid facing an embarrassing mistake) but w/e. What's really bizarre is how he rationalizes that his points designed to counter his strawman, "still stands". At this point I was convinced that he wasn't attempting to bait me, he's just really dumb.




This is really troubling -- on so many levels -- that its staggering to figure out where to begin unpacking his fallacies. But the obvious and most glaring flaw is how he truly believes that his argue-points against this, "bbbbut the feds ended ja rules career not 50" works as an argument against this, "the feds played the biggest role in Ja's career coming to end".

The ladder argument still implies other components -- in compound -- caused Ja's career to end, the former doesn't. And despite how many times I explain the clear difference between both ideas, Spacely is still completely oblivious to them. He literally thinks both ideas are 100% equal. In one sense, its remarkable that someone this stupid can even turn on a computer, let alone post on a forum.

And even IF he lacks the cognitive software to detect any sort of degrees, levels, magnitudes, or intensities, within a context, in my first response to him I say this verbatim, "who had his label shut down by the feds". I clearly and concisely explain what action I blame the feds for causing. As you see, I didn't say the feds caused blood in my eye, Uhh Ohh, or Body to flop, so how can HE think those charges he made still stand?!

Everything was specified, so Spacey literally has no excuse outside of being unable to THINK AND REASON.



Now this was a separate argument that emerged from his strawman. Spacey is very clear in his meaning here; Ja's career was at a point of no return before the feds came into the equation.

Concise hypothesis, no way it can be misunderstood; so the question becomes; what must be required to be found in reality to prove his claim as true? Well...for one, PERMANENT DECLINE. If he's "DEAD" in the water, than finding evidence of any sort of recovery -- within reason -- should be IMPOSSIBLE.

It's very simple logic that a toddler could follow. I don't have to DEMONSTRATE if R.U.L.E was an absolute recovery, all I have to prove is that whatever change -- if any -- conflicts with his claim of "dead in the water". But once again, Spacey can't follow the logic and demands something completely different that what is required to be swayed. Its truly is a pointless endeavor to use logic in a discourse with him.


SUMMARY -
What are we left to conclude about @SpacelySprockets?

1. He's an idiot!

2. debating and idiot is futile, so don't do it!

3. "The fact that one can even draw a relation between 50's career trajectory and Ja is one hell of a strike against 50, not Ja"

Breaking down AJaRuleStan's ability to grasp for straws in an argument he lost by making a bunch of over-analyzed long winded posts - By SpacelySprockets

Call somebody out on an argument they made and when that person justifies their argument, throw in a bunch of big words and Philosophy 101 terms to seem like I'm making an actual argument when in reality I'm talking some bullshyt and deflecting. Throw in some bold and colorful words and there u have it, don't forget the caps lock

I'm not even going to explain my response to your feds comment anymore because its like talking to a brick wall that listens to Ja Rule in 2016. All you do is ignore everything I said and twist it in your own delusional way to make it seem like you know more about whats going in in my mind than I do myself. You are not a philosophy professor, you are not a psychic, what you are is a delusional Ja Rule stan.

And even IF he lacks the cognitive software to detect any sort of degrees, levels, magnitudes, or intensities, within a context, in my first response to him I say this verbatim, "who had his label shut down by the feds". I clearly and concisely explain what action I blame the feds for causing. As you see, I didn't say the feds causedblood in my eye, Uhh Ohh, or Body to flop, so how can HE think those charges he made still stand?!

You didn't explain how the feds played the biggest part in anything until the post prior to your last after I called you out on it, and even then all you said was that they caused his label to not release music for 3 years even though his music was already flopping before that 3 year period thanks to the biggest factor, 50 Cent. His flops were the biggest blows to his career and reputation which were a direct result of 50 Cent's rampage against him. The feds had nothing to do with that therefore they were not a big factor. You have yet to explain why after that 3 year period other Murda Inc artists were able to release hits and albums without problem yet Ja Rule couldn't, didn't seem to slow them down.

Now this was a separate argument that emerged from his strawman. Spacey is very clear in his meaning here; Ja's career was at a point of no return before the feds came into the equation.

It's very simple logic that a toddler could follow. I don't have to DEMONSTRATE if R.U.L.E was an absolute recovery, all I have to prove is that whatever change -- if any -- conflicts with his claim of "dead in the water". But once again, Spacey can't follow the logic and demands something completely different that what is required to be swayed. Its truly is a pointless endeavor to use logic in a discourse with him.

You can look up the literal definition of dead and grasp for straws like you always do and try to twist my words or you be realistic and accept the fact that by the time the feds came knocking, there was no comeback in order for Ja Rule and his career was going nowhere considering his album had just flopped.

So what can we conclude about @AJaRuleStan ?

Ja wtf man? Still mad after all these years? Let it go man. - iseetrolledpeople

But most importantly

Damn @AJaRuleStan you got a few issues that need addressing kid. - ~Styles~

 

[Big Boss]

@AJaRuleStan talking that shyt