Lets talk about 2pac selling 5 million in 2 months and biggie selling 2 million in 2 years

[Nomad1]

@wordisbond1

1.) Some of your sentences are at times poorly written, which looks like "contradicting" sentences in my point of view. At times you try to push your assumptions as "facts" and that's what contradicts your little *note* you did;

"and saying "and im just startin" which is why he happens to not mention in the video that 2pacalypse now, thug life, and strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. combined were not even "barely" touching 2 million at all"

Contradicts

" i am aware that he may be talking about that he's only just starting with all eyez on me sales because it was released in february of '96 and that interview was done in may '96"

The first paragraph I quoted did not contain imo, thus contradicting your little note you made.

2.) "im saying its not right because its like hes acting as if those other albums didnt even exist"

Pac's point is going way over your head. Why would he compare previous sales to R2D's sales in the context of that interview? Pac is trying to insert the "Death Row Records vs Bad Boy Entertainment" narrative and his previous albums were not on DR. Pac is saying that he got shot, went to jail, got crucified, then gets released from jail, drops an album that goes 5 x plat. He's saying he is the underdog that's "slaying" Biggie and Puffy currently (as of 96'), and the rest of his enemies. If he wanted to he could've mention MATW which went 240,000 first week. But it doesn't not fit into the context of the discussion, so he did not mention it.

3.) And it's funny that you talk about Pac "selling out" when he didn't. There are mad stories of Pac going crazy when he was with DU (if you don't believe Shock G or Money B, then Big Daddy Kane could attest to that since he was there) and there are mad stories of Pac being crazy when he was living in Marin City.

And being a "backup dancer" to a group like DU is normal. Chuck D said something on the lines of "you got to start somewhere" (referencing Pac's time at DU).

Plus wearing speedos for women and taking bubble bath pics for women>>>> Saying "ill suck on your daddies dikk and "I would rather fukk rupaul than those xscape bytches"

"Still down with the Underground, I get around"

 

['Lando]

@wordisbond1

1.) Some of your sentences are at times poorly written, which looks like "contradicting" sentences in my point of view. At times you try to push your assumptions as "facts" and that's what contradicts your little *note* you did;

"and saying "and im just startin" which is why he happens to not mention in the video that 2pacalypse now, thug life, and strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. combined were not even "barely" touching 2 million at all"

Contradicts

" i am aware that he may be talking about that he's only just starting with all eyez on me sales because it was released in february of '96 and that interview was done in may '96"

The first paragraph I quoted did not contain imo, thus contradicting your little note you made.

2.) "im saying its not right because its like hes acting as if those other albums didnt even exist"

Pac's point is going way over your head. Why would he compare previous sales to R2D's sales in the context of that interview? Pac is trying to insert the "Death Row Records vs Bad Boy Entertainment" narrative and his previous albums were not on DR. Pac is saying that he got shot, went to jail, got crucified, then gets released from jail, drops an album that goes 5 x plat. He's saying he is the underdog that's "slaying" Biggie and Puffy currently (as of 96'), and the rest of his enemies. If he wanted to he could've mention MATW which went 240,000 first week. But it doesn't not fit into the context of the discussion, so he did not mention it.

3.) And it's funny that you talk about Pac "selling out" when he didn't. There are mad stories of Pac going crazy when he was with DU (if you don't believe Shock G or Money B, then Big Daddy Kane could attest to that since he was there) and there are mad stories of Pac being crazy when he was living in Marin City.

And being a "backup dancer" to a group like DU is normal. Chuck D said something on the lines of "you got to start somewhere" (referencing Pac's time at DU).

Plus wearing speedos for women and taking bubble bath pics for women>>>> Saying "ill suck on your daddies dikk and "I would rather fukk rupaul than those xscape bytches"

"Still down with the Underground, I get around"

1. "in my point of view" is right, youre kind of grasping at straws now, you know exactly why i said those things, i was saying it definitely could be why hes saying it like that and thats why it could be why he doesnt mention the other albums, youre pointing out small grammar mistakes/inconsistencies and/or sentence inconsistencies etc to somehow help your argument/case. doesnt matter if i left one little word out cause im clarifying/saying it now. and btw you didnt quote the whole entire sentence. heres the whole thing below this sentence.

so i dont think those other albums really detered his sales of all eyez on me like i already said, cause i mean he completely disregards all of his other albums by only mentioning the sales of all eyez on me (his highest selling album) and comparing those sales to biggies only album (at the time) and saying "and im just startin" which is why he happens to not mention in the video that 2pacalypse now, thug life, and strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. combined were not even "barely" touching 2 million at all.

(note: i am aware that he may very well be talking about that he's only just starting with all eyez on me sales because it was released in february of '96 and that interview was done in may '96 i believe, but he still is not making himself very clear and is making it sound like he could mean hes just starting in the rap game period, and one of the reasons for that would be because he doesnt mention the sales of his other albums but only compares his highest selling (and his 4th album, 5th including thug life) album's sales to the sales of biggies only album at the time, thus his logic is about as good as that of his stans/fans)

so actually i didnt fully contradict myself. because i said another reason why/how he didnt mention those albums like the part about "disregarding all of his other albums by only mentioning the sales of all eyez on me (his highest selling album) and comparing those sales to biggies only album (at the time) AND saying "and im just startin". furthermore, im not contradicting myself for another reason as well, because im basically saying that IF he meant it like that, then that might be why he doesnt mention his other albums because then i also say in a note that i am aware that he could not be saying that. and grammar/sentence fukk up or not you know thats what i meant and how i meant for it to be intended. and if i didnt include that note, then said something like that later on and/or said "ya it actually probly means" or "ya it definitely means" he didnt mean that, then that would be more contradicting myself.

2. yes i know what hes trying to "insert" and about the context of the interviews because of the time period etc, the rest is speculation and opinion honestly. imo that shyt helped him if anything and ive already discussed that more than enough, which btw you didnt really deny or even really acknowledge the points i made when i was discussing it until now and neither did anyone else who was on your side, and even if it doesnt fit the "context of the discussion" either way, its still strange to be saying all of that and comparing like that all of the sudden. and it doesnt matter that he wasnt on DR for those albums because theyre still HIS albums, doesnt matter what label hes on. and he says "I sold 5 million in 2 months" not "death row sold 5 million in 2 months" lol. we can argue about this all day. speaking of contradicting/contradictions, you guys seem to contradict each other, wheres the teamwork?! i thought pac stans were all about that, especially when going up against biggie "stans". one of you will defend all eyez on me's sales and give excuses for why it didnt go diamond and say something like "oh they didnt have the paperwork, legel shyt this legal shyt that", then another one of u will say "oh cmon now he had like so many other options to choose from it doesnt matter that it didnt go diamond first, and thats why it didnt go diamond first". make up your damn minds!

3. heads up, im pretty sure he did that bathtub pic long after leaving DU and when he had already signed/joined death row. so he definitely sold out lol. "being a back up dancer to a group like DU is normal" ...typical pac stan excuse. how normal is it if he was wearing a god damn speedo on stage huh? http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/rare-footage-from-2pacs-infamous-bathtub-photo-shoot/ "right after 2pac was released from prison"

making funny richard pryor joke references >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wearing speedos/doing bubble bath photo shoots thus selling out. plus this pac line right here is worse than anything biggies ever said lol.


http://rap.genius.com/241839/2pac-i...-was-a-pee-wee-down-by-my-knee-with-a-wee-wee


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[FeloniousMonk]

Hammer was the 1st rap artist to chart Pop...and WANTED to crossover. Back then it was considered selling out

Vanilla Ice as artist was a fabrication, gimmick and actual mockery of hip hop music that was packaged to appeal to the teenie boppers.

Explain to me artist who are marketed as pop sales should apply to rap genre..

FloRida anyone?

 

[FeloniousMonk]

3. heads up, im pretty sure he did that bathtub pic long after leaving DU and when he had already signed/joined death row. so he definitely sold out lol. "being a back up dancer to a group like DU is normal" ...typical pac stan excuse. how normal is it if he was wearing a god damn speedo on stage huh? http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/rare-footage-from-2pacs-infamous-bathtub-photo-shoot/ "right after 2pac was released from prison"

making funny richard pryor joke references >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wearing speedos/doing bubble bath photo shoots thus selling out.

The problem is he did that for women, why you so upset about Pac taking pics in a bathtub is beyond me..

Everytime this is brought up..it makes yall sound suspect...its nothing to include in a argument..."bu bu bu but what about him in a speedo In a bubblebath"..

 

['Lando]

The problem is he did that for women, why you so upset about Pac taking pics in a bathtub is beyond me..

Everytime this is brought up..it makes yall sound suspect...its nothing to include in a argument..."bu bu bu but what about him in a speedo In a bubblebath"..

im not upset at all, the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it ...if it was "just" for women and doesnt matter?

3.) And it's funny that you talk about Pac "selling out" when he didn't. There are mad stories of Pac going crazy when he was with DU (if you don't believe Shock G or Money B, then Big Daddy Kane could attest to that since he was there) and there are mad stories of Pac being crazy when he was living in Marin City.

And being a "backup dancer" to a group like DU is normal. Chuck D said something on the lines of "you got to start somewhere" (referencing Pac's time at DU).

Plus wearing speedos for women and taking bubble bath pics for women>>>> Saying "ill suck on your daddies dikk and "I would rather fukk rupaul than those xscape bytches"

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Niccas is ACTIVELY looking for Pac in speedos, now?

 

['Lando]

im not upset at all, the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it

Niccas is ACTIVELY looking for Pac in speedos, now?

^ point proven.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

im not upset at all, the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it ...if it was "just" for women and doesnt matter?

Because knuckleheads trying to use to discredit Pac for whatever reason...Comprehendo?

Why do YOU bring it up...why is it relevent to your argument?

 

[FeloniousMonk]

^ point proven.

Yes, that youll go out your way to try and prove a point..

You actually searching the net for Pac in speedos is a lil suspect to prove a point..

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

but i'd much rather talk about pac's greatest hits being his only album to go diamond and other rappers dropping albums after dying and not going diamond

Changes was a dope... but gawt damn they played the hell out of that shiit back in the day on mtv, bet, the box and radio.


ugh.


Troublesome 1996 is



.

 

['Lando]

the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it

Because knuckleheads trying to use to discredit Pac for whatever reason...Comprehendo?

Why do YOU bring it up...why is it relevent to your argument?

Yes, that youll go out your way to try and prove a point..

You actually searching the net for Pac in speedos is a lil suspect to prove a point..

2 furious posts within 2-3 minutes of each other ^^^^...further proving my point again and again.

 

[FeloniousMonk]

2 furious posts within 2-3 minutes of each other ^^^^...further proving my point again and again.

Nothing to be mad about.

Its the lames that come with these wack debates...I know people put extra on Pacs legacy..I know he wasn't what people made him out to be..

YET YOU are actually deflecting and STILL havent answered whats the RELEVANCE with the PAC photos of him in the tub as points to debate-WHAT about Pac?

All you doing is going back n forth with me...

Try answering the questions in my posts..THEN worry about me being "upset".

Im waiting..

 

[Still Benefited]

@Nomad1 now ur trying to save yourself, i never "contradicted" myself, i just said or implied that it seemed to sound misleading because it could come off as if he meant that he was just starting period and i list reasons why. then i note that i am definitely aware that it most likely means hes just starting, but in terms of all eyez on me's sales and large success etc, but then i offer my take on why its still wrong for him to be saying it like that regardless and comparing and talking about things in general the way he does in the interview. its misleading even if it didnt mean he was just starting in that sort of way because it was his 4th (5 ith including thug life) and he compares his just new found (large) success to biggies success at the time, at the very least he shouldve waited until biggie had a new album out. its quality over quantity. anyways, my answer either which way is the same, if he did mean in that way, that he was just starting in his career, my answer would be the same, that its off for him to be saying that because "etc etc" (this was already talked about) and then my answer was basically the same even if he didnt mean it like that because "etc etc" (already talked about),...i think you get the point ...so i never really contradicted myself. and i know he wasnt comparing his debut to biggies, thats the whole point....isnt that obvious that he wasnt? i mean its clear he was comparing his current success (SALES) with AEOM .....to biggies current success (SALES) with ready to die. im saying its not right because its like hes acting as if those other albums didnt even exist, hes tooting his own horn way too much and giving himself too much credit. it took him 3 albums later (4 including thug life) getting shot/robbed, going to jail and being affiliated with the legendary death row to finally beat biggies one album's sales, among many other things as well, furthermore he then decides 4 mediocre albums later ( 4 because of including thug life) to decide that finally after he signs to the controversial death row to compare all eyez on me's sales to ready to die's sales....pathetic. oh well, Life Goes On





Wrong. R u still down did not do that big of numbers before greatest hits and never did even after it. r u still down is a double album that never received any higher certification than 4x platinum, and its a double album like i said, so that means it really only sold 2 million. not too much in the grand scheme of things especially when compared to all eyez on me's sales and popularity. and those albums dont matter too much like i already said, because biggie also had other albums to choose from as well, and apparently people did pick and choose because born again and duets both went platinum (duets) or multi platinum (born again), so that argument is invalid which is why in my previous post i said those "mathematics"/theory doesnt really always work. also i should note that having multiple albums helps your name get out there and HELP your album sales in general if anything. its a matter of opinion, you say that you shouldnt compare because biggie had less albums and that u shouldnt compare with lad vs aeom in terms of who went diamond first because of biggie having less albums, but releasing more albums makes you more relevant and helps your album sales in general imo.




@StillNotSoft firstly, biggie went diamond in january 2000 with life after death, and why is pac still stuck at diamond with AEOM? you keep going around in circles and just repeating yourself. ive already given answers as to why it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things that he has other albums (2pacalypse now, strictly 4 my n.i.g.g.a.z. ,thug life) and a greatest hits album, because they never detered his sales too much. don killuminati may have been left out of the equation but you left born again out of the equation. like i said (and if i didnt say it im saying it now) pac's main catalogue was, me against the world, all eyez on me and don killuminati. so thats 3 albums in his main catalogue. and like i said biggie has 3 because they sold well enough to be considered part of his main catalogue. ready to die, life after death, and born again, and born again had already been out by the time LAD was certified diamond so it definitely counts. duets did go platinum but it didnt go platinum until the mid 2000s because thats when it was released so ill leave it out of this, so it would be 3 albums vs 3 around the time... but really its like 4 vs 3 if you include r u still down but i wouldnt include it in his main catalogue seeing as how it didnt sell all too well and because of its popularity. so technically biggie has or had one less album, so i could see why you say that u shouldnt compare sales when biggie has less albums, but its not like pac had so many other "viable" options to choose from. it might matter nowadays because of the abundance/surplus/plethora of pac albums (but not really because his main catalogue is still the same because of the lack of popularity of his other albums and lack of sales of those albums) but back around the 90s it didnt. biggie had 3 albums (even before LAD was certified diamond) in his main catalogue (in terms of sales, success, popularity) and pac had 3 or 4 as well(in terms of sales, success, popularity) yet life after death still managed to go diamond first, so once again, those mathematics/"theory" doesnt work.


my answer to the bolded part is ...this quote below V. and you dont get why arguing who has two diamond albums is silly and that arguing who went diamond first does matter. all eyez on me didnt go diamond until 2014 like i already said, and even after all that alleged legal trouble, like i already said, still only sits at diamond over a decade later. eventually his albums are gonna sell that much EVENTUALLY. especially seeing as how both of his diamond albums are double albums, theyre gonna go diamond quickly too ...or wait a minute not too quickly right? both albums took over a decade to go diamond. the question u should be asking yourself is, if hes that popular and hes so much better than biggie then why have his first two albums including thug life combined, not sold as much as ready to die? and back when their catalogue size was around the same why could it still not sell as much as ready to die when combined? but wait, we're not supposed to compare the sales of an artist who only has "2" albums to that of an artist that has "12"! we can go back and forth on this for a long time, regardless though, that facts list i had in my earlier post(s) still stands, and it will always stand. its impressive that ready to die has sold more, (especially since it did sell more even when their catalogue size was around the same), than pac's first 2 albums (3 including thug life) combined and still has sold more. its also impressive that ready to die has sold more than me against the world and its impressive that life after death went diamond first.




at the end of the day just always remember the man u worship sold out



http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTk0qyCwF83uoTDeauSVSX-MxXLbIT1FzuWROZxXrhIfJOIOtGQeA


http://www.missinfo.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/17022009067146000123486.jpg



and was a backup dancer wearing speedos just a tad bit before he got in to that "thug life" shyt




http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/18/15/enhanced-3214-1397849481-20.jpg



but hey like i said, Life Goes On!

yeah you definitely left 7th day theory out of the equation as if it didn't come out along with R U Still Down before greatest hits...And I did mention BOrn Again but are you gon sit here and say Born Again is one of Biggies Main albums like 7th Day Theory is one of Pacs main albums....If you are somebody who hears Big is one of the goat rappers back in the day,when you go to find out which album is his best and which one you should buy Born Again will NEEEEEVER come up in the discussion...cant say the same for 7th day theory,as well as I already mentiond Pac had a greatest hits album for the casuals to cop....you don't like to hear it but casuals didn't have to buy AEOM,7th day theory,MATW if they wanted to hear Pac at his best like they HAD to buy RTD or LAD...youll continue to spin around it and neither can prove it had a impact or not but its been interesting speculating,almost was ready to give a salute til you had to reach with the thong pics nikkas usually pull out out of desperation

I didn't even mention the unreleased makaveli tapes that's probably quadruple street platinum right about now.......Pacs viable options was the fact you had to buy his new shyt if you wanted to hear new clues and figure out if he was really alive or not....but yeah that Greatest Hits is a big deal bruh,u don't like the speculation but its true and makes perfect sense to me....7th day theory being his actual "FINAL" album also takes away from AEOM a little,but mostly greatest hits.

 

[Nomad1]

@wordisbond1
"the rest is speculation and opinion honestly."

You contradicted yourself and you flipped flopped. And Pac's point went over your head. Also, the reason you think you didn't contradict yourself is because you had poorly written sentence structures throughout your responses. But it's no point arguing about that if you admit it's speculation

And how am I being defensive about Pac's bubbble bath pics/speedo picture? You were the one who brought it up in the first place. Plus Mariah Carey has the bubble bath pic framed in her house, it goes to show the demographic it was intended for; "Carey even has a photo of the rapper taking a bubble bath hanging up in her New York home.". And taking a bubble pics for a magazine is not "selling-out".

Plus grown men shouldn't be searching for pics like that unless their homo.

And "I'd fukk Ru Paul before those wack Escape bytches", "dress up like ladies and burn em with dirty 380's", "nikkas say i'm p*ssy, I dare you to stick your dikk in this", "nikkas test they luck-n they get a butt fukk-n, straight up the ass raw dog with a rash"......Those are not Pryor lines.

 

[Nomad1]

im not upset at all, the real question that should be asked here is why are pac stans so defensive over it

Niccas is ACTIVELY looking for Pac in speedos, now?

Apparently we are "defensive" if we point out that the pictures he brought up are intended for women