Lets talk about "electability"

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Thread is inspired by this article I read on 538 today - Democrats Think Biden Is Electable, But He’s Not Everyone’s First Choice

Not going to post the entire thing but here's the crux of it -

Beating President Trump in November 2020 is really important to Democrats. Sizable shares of Democrats tell pollsters that a candidate’s “electability” will be a very important factor in their primary vote — even more than the candidate’s policy positions. The problem is that we don’t know for sure what makes a candidate electable.

But we can get an idea of what Democratic voters think an electable candidate looks like by finding polls that ask voters which 2020 presidential hopeful they think has the best chance of winning the general election, in addition to asking who they would support independent of electability concerns. At least two recent polls have asked both questions: a Quinnipiac poll of registered Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters in California and a Granite State Poll of likely New Hampshire primary voters (conducted by the University of New Hampshire Survey Center).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...able-but-hes-not-everyones-first-choice/#fn-1
Perhaps unsurprisingly, in both cases, the percentage of voters who say each candidate is the most electable is very similar to the percentage of voters who support each candidate. But there are some telling divergences: Some candidates widely seen as electable don’t have as much support from voters, while others who have generated a lot of voter enthusiasm aren’t seen as particularly strong general-election candidates.

The table below looks at the difference in each poll between the share of voters who support each candidate and the share who think he or she is the strongest general-election candidate, then averages those differences. It turns out Democrats believe former Vice President Joe Biden is the most electable Democrat — even though fewer voters pick him as their first choice in the primary.

As for Sen. Bernie Sanders, who ranks second to Biden in most polls of the Democratic primary thus far, his perceived electability was on par with his popularity as a candidate. Apparently, Democratic voters don’t agree that Sanders’s socialism makes him unelectable. Meanwhile, only former Rep. Beto O’Rourke joined Biden as a candidate whose perceived electability outstripped his popularity as a candidate, although for O’Rourke, the difference was quite small. Quite a few candidates showed up at the other end of the electability spectrum, including South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Elizabeth Warren. All three enjoyed decent voter support but were less likely to be seen as electable.

You probably noticed a pattern there. The moderate, straight, white men score best, while the women and the man seeking to become the first openly gay president lose points on electability, as do nonwhite candidates like businessman Andrew Yang and Sen. Cory Booker. Harris ranks particularly low considering her level of voter support, which may reflect the fact that she is both a person of color and a woman. And even Sen. Amy Klobuchar is seen as a relatively weak general-election candidate even though her strong past electoral performances make a good case for her being electable.

The theory that perceptions of electability are linked to race and gender is hardly new, but we do have some recent polling that supports it. A March poll by HuffPost/YouGov asked Democrats how they thought a candidate’s gender and race would affect other voters’ decisions. In both cases, about a third of respondents said they expected that being male or being white would make other people more likely to vote for a candidate while a single-digit percentage thought it would make people less likely to vote for a candidate. (About 40 percent thought it would make no difference.) And being female and nonwhite were each seen, less overwhelmingly, as net negatives. Interestingly, though, the HuffPost/YouGov poll also found that respondents viewed being over the age of 70 as a serious electability problem, yet in that same poll, 64 percent of voters thought 76-year-old Biden was capable of winning the general election, and 48 percent thought 77-year-old Sanders could do so. Both candidates also had strong electability numbers in both the Quinnipiac and UNH polls. (This may be partly explained by the fact that Trump is 72, so the likely Republican nominee has the same age problem.)

Democrats Think Biden Is Electable, But He’s Not Everyone’s First Choice


So I was just curious as to how HL feels about this.

How much less likely is a Democratic win if the candidate is female or a minority? Do we need to nominate a white guy (even if he's not the best candidate) to have the best chance of defeating Trump? Or is that a self-defeating attitude to have?
 

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It's a self defeating attitude to have. Sure, a female candidate who may also be black would on the surface be a hurdle but there's the opportunity to offer something to voters and outwork Trump all through the country. Hillary did win nearly 66M votes, she just needed 80,000 of them to be in 3 states.

Trump is weak. His approvals are on par with GHWBush and Jimmy Carter. He's underwater in crucial battleground states. Is that going to change a year from now? I doubt it since these numbers have been like this since 2 years ago.

Anyone can defeat Trump but any of them can lose. It depends on what the campaigns are operating on and offering to the electorate.
 

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How much less likely is a Democratic win if the candidate is female or a minority? Do we need to nominate a white guy (even if he's not the best candidate) to have the best chance of defeating Trump? Or is that a self-defeating attitude to have?

I don't know if "self defeating" is the right phrase for it; I'm not a woman and I don't identify as a "minority". That being said, I don't think you need a white man to beat Trump. Obama could do it. Hillary could have. Trump isn't invincible, and race and gender aren't insurmountable. Especially in a 2 party system.
 

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I don't know if "self defeating" is the right phrase for it; I'm not a woman and I don't identify as a "minority". That being said, I don't think you need a white man to beat Trump. Obama could do it. Hillary could have. Trump isn't invincible, and race and gender aren't insurmountable. Especially in a 2 party system.
i dont think you need a white guy to beat trump, but i sure as fukk think that an in-shape biden has the best chance of doing it
 

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but trump is still a white man, underneath the orange face paint :yeshrug:
I don't care what Donald Trump is. In 2014 if I told you a candidate would run like Trump the common response would be "that candidate is not electable."

"Electability" is a media creation to control which candidate run in an election.
 
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I don't care what Donald Trump is, in 2014 if I told you a candidate would run like Trump the common response would be "that candidate is not electable."

"Electability" is a media creation to control which candidate run in an election.
fair enough :yeshrug:
 

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Beating President Trump in November 2020 is reallyimportant to Democrats. Sizable shares of Democrats tell pollsters that a candidate’s “electability” will be a very important factor in their primary vote — even more than the candidate’s policy positions. The problem is that we don’t knowfor sure what makes a candidate electable.

Who the fukk are they asking? What utter garbage:what:
 
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says the poster looking at how america actually is, and voted in 2016. instead of the liberal Narnia you wish it was. eat a dikk :mjlol:
America twice elected a black man named Barack Obama while at the same time public enemy number 1 was a main of similar color and stature named Osama Bin Laden.

Let that sink in. :jawalrus:
 
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