Let's Talk About Gun Control

[Mic-Nificent]

You're never a criminal until you're convicted of a committing a crime. I've read the majority of firearms deaths are committed with weapons that were originally legally purchased. No it was because there are mass shootings every month. Nothing is going to change in the mental health world until there is nationalized health insurance and all the insurance companies are gutted. Knives are regulated. b.... are illegal. sex is regulated. alcohol is regulated. motor vehicles are regulated.

They're preventable thats why action is being taken.

Muthafukkas act like people are born with birthmarks on them that read "Criminal". Most of the guys who do these mass shootings had no criminal history.

And I'll say again we need to stop with the "disturbed/mental illness" bullshyt. If the prepetrators of these mass shootings weren't predominantly white there's no way in hell that'd be the first excuse people would reach for.

 

[Blackking]

There are people speaking about a weapons ban in the media, and also on this site. As far as gun control goes_ if we were only talking about mental checks and illegal weapons that would be ok.

 

[CASHAPP]

There are people speaking about a weapons ban in the media, and also on this site. As far as gun control goes_ if we were only talking about mental checks and illegal weapons that would be ok.

And also background checks and a plan to close the gun show loophole that makes 40% of guns able to be bought without a check(in case you didnt kno 40% is a big #) ......

are you just skimming what your reading in the media. Have you looked at the whole thing even?

 

[Blackking]

I've seen enough, been around gun violence, and grew up in an area with wayy to many guns. But im,also not ignorant or Nieve about this shyt. I know that socioeconomic depression and broken families were more to blame. Yet year after year,police have agendas to stop gun violence by attacking the symptoms as opposed to the causes. Early child hood education reduces crime more than limiting clips and types of weapons. Mental illness caused the recent shootings not guns, and u all are fools if u think these mass shootings are pushing the current dialogue... There r cities like Chicago that have been going nuts, but now.. Now the pres wants this,to be agenda number one.

I used to think like you all when I worked for nonprofits... Until the leader of one nonprofit explained to me why we weren't trying to shut down drug dealers, or prostitutes. Symptoms.

Only a fool believes that limiting clips, types, amounts, sales of guns will curve violence. If the only talks involved mental illness, backgrounds, programs to deal with stress at school, etc., then I could be all for the talks. But I know for a fact if I ever wanted to kill someone it has nothing to do w a bullet

 

[Mic-Nificent]

There are people speaking about a weapons ban in the media, and also on this site. As far as gun control goes_ if we were only talking about mental checks and illegal weapons that would be ok.

There's always going to be a few, but MOST people aren't calling for an outright ban on all guns. There's a few vocal dingbats in Texas who want to succeed from the United States but MOST Texans aren't in favor of that bullshyt.


As for stricter gun laws, it can't be JUST mental checks and not illegal weapons. It has to be MUCH more comprehensive than that.

There's a sensible middle ground between an outright ban on guns and the insanity we have going on now with lax gun laws and the proliferation of guns.

 

[Blackking]

And also background checks and a plan to close the gun show loophole that makes 40% of guns able to be bought without a check(in case you didnt kno 40% is a big #) ......

are you just skimming what your reading in the media. Have you looked at the whole thing even?

I go to gun shows. I know that will ideally take away 40 %., but I also deal in reality. Many people go to gun shows easbecause it's easy, but if not they will go to a store or buy illegally. It's not like the government is making attempts to not have the inner cities flooded with guns from overseas.. It's like drugs. Way too much cash involved.

 

[CASHAPP]

I've seen enough, been around gun violence, and grew up in an area with wayy to many guns. But im,also not ignorant or Nieve about this shyt. I know that socioeconomic depression and broken families were more to blame. Yet year after year,police have agendas to stop gun violence by attacking the symptoms as opposed to the causes. Early child hood education reduces crime more than limiting clips and types of weapons. Mental illness caused the recent shootings not guns, and u all are fools if u think these mass shootings are pushing the current dialogue... There r cities like Chicago that have been going nuts, but now.. Now the pres wants this,to be agenda number one.

I used to think like you all when I worked for nonprofits... Until the leader of one nonprofit explained to me why we weren't trying to shut down drug dealers, or prostitutes. Symptoms.

Only a fool believes that limiting clips, types, amounts, sales of guns will curve violence. If the only talks involved mental illness, backgrounds, programs to deal with stress at school, etc., then I could be all for the talks. But I know for a fact if I ever wanted to kill someone it has nothing to do w a bullet

Who said it would completely stop the violence going on? I noticed even when people like Obama say with a straight face they know this wont completely curve the problem, people like yourself ignore those words.

He is trying to make it better for now before the other factors come into play. We all know there is various reasons related to the inbalance in income, poverty.

They already said they are trying to make a push for early childhood education for the 2nd term. Once again Obama is just saying they are trying their best at the "moment" to ease all of this. We both know this is a very intelligent man, if we both agree with what you just said, we should know he also knows all of this already.

And I think any intelligent politician knows that legalizing prostitution would drastically bring down human trafficking

Btw he mentioned gun control reform as a top #3 priority weeks before Sandy Hook

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I go to gun shows. I know that will ideally take away 40 %., but I also deal in reality. Many people go to gun shows easbecause it's easy, but if not they will go to a store or buy illegally. It's not like the government is making attempts to not have the inner cities flooded with guns from overseas.. It's like drugs. Way too much cash involved.

This is why I said you're being disingenuous.

That whole "It's not going to change anything so why bother even doing it" attitude.

It's can't just be ONE thing, it has to be much more comprehensive than "Stricter gun laws" or "Better mental health care".


And to your earlier point, no the GUNS themselves didn't kill all those kids in Newton, but "Mental Illness" by itself didn't do it either. It was the combination of a mentally disturbed individual AND the guns.

And keep in mind that what you're proposing as the ONLY option wouldn't havhe prevented the Newton killings. The guy who did that stole the guns from his mother.

 

[Blackking]

@Blackking

Ironic, the HL mod was just trying to convince me that different opinions were welcome here, lol

 

[CASHAPP]

This is why I said you're being disingenuous.

That whole "It's not going to change anything so why bother even doing it" attitude.
It's can't just be ONE thing, it has to be much more comprehensive than "Stricter gun laws" or "Better mental health care".


And to your earlier point, no the GUNS themselves didn't kill all those kids in Newton, but "Mental Illness" by itself didn't do it either. It was the combination of a mentally disturbed individual AND the guns.

And keep in mind that what you're proposing as the ONLY option wouldn't havhe prevented the Newton killings. The guy who did that stole the guns from his mother.

I hate that attitude. You notice how not ONE of these people has brought up the fact that this bill may finally end that gun show loophole that allows 40% of guns to be bought with background checks?

40 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!????



And folks are saying it wont make a difference at all?

 

[88m3]

Ironic, the HL mod was just trying to convince me that different opinions were welcome here, lol

the hl mods are liars

welcome to the octagon

 

[Blackking]

This is why I said you're being disingenuous.

That whole "It's not going to change anything so why bother even doing it" attitude.

It's can't just be ONE thing, it has to be much more comprehensive than "Stricter gun laws" or "Better mental health care".


And to your earlier point, no the GUNS themselves didn't kill all those kids in Newton, but "Mental Illness" by itself didn't do it either. It was the combination of a mentally disturbed individual AND the guns.

And keep in mind that what you're proposing as the ONLY option wouldn't havhe prevented the Newton killings. The guy who did that stole the guns from his mother.

I listed four changes... That actually is comprehensive. Im not sayin do nothing, im saying do what will work and do what will actually reduce the number of incidences.

Entire policies and rights shouldn't be changed because of very rare cases. We would be coming w new policies daily if we can point to one,thing to force a change.... The guy stole the gun from his mom.

 

[Blackking]

Who said it would completely stop the violence going on? I noticed even when people like Obama say with a straight face they know this wont completely curve the problem, people like yourself ignore those words.

He is trying to make it better for now before the other factors come into play. We all know there is various reasons related to the inbalance in income, poverty.

They already said they are trying to make a push for early childhood education for the 2nd term. Once again Obama is just saying they are trying their best at the "moment" to ease all of this. We both know this is a very intelligent man, if we both agree with what you just said, we should know he also knows all of this already.

And I think any intelligent politician knows that legalizing prostitution would drastically bring down human trafficking

Btw he mentioned gun control reform as a top #3 priority weeks before Sandy Hook

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but how many brown women and children has Mr. gun control Obama been responsible for killing in cold blood so far?

I know it's not about the man it's the message, but the message also lacks substance..... We will see what the early childhood education programs look like, or how the achievement gap gets closed... This is the same man and party that can't do anything about large corporations tax loop holes that could provide the funds for the social programs that actually would eventually reduce gun violence.... But they think gun show loop holes will actually stop Americans from getting the firearms at the same rate.. Ha this,is America. This shyt is starting to sound like h the war on drugs.

 

[daze23]

Ironic, the HL mod was just trying to convince me that different opinions were welcome here, lol

cry me a river

 

[newarkhiphop]