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that's why they're referred to as "assault weapons"

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non-select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of cosmetic features from the following list of features:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Pistol grip
-Bayonet mount
-Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
-Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

-Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
-Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
-Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
-Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
-A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

-Folding or telescoping stock
-Pistol grip
-Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
-Detachable magazine.

there's also focus on clip size:

According to the laws of the State of New York, a magazine with a capacity of more than 10 rounds manufactured after September 14, 1994 cannot be legally possessed by anyone other than a law enforcement officer.
 

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This is the perfect time for gun id like the movies. The gun only works for the registered owner or people the gun owner registers. SOme kind of biometric signature on the trigger or hand would be cool. Still as long as there are guns they may fall into the hands of a maniac from time to time.
 

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This is the perfect time for gun id like the movies. The gun only works for the registered owner or people the gun owner registers. SOme kind of biometric signature on the trigger or hand would be cool. Still as long as there are guns they may fall into the hands of a maniac from time to time.

sure, first I have to put this chip under your skin... :scheme:
 

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You can check the link to see where the information is coming from....this information is several months old, I don't know if KTL or HL mentioned this .........only posted half the article................

If Obama is opposed to guns, why did his administration just purchase 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and sniper rounds?

If Obama is opposed to guns, why did his administration just purchase 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition and sniper rounds?


Thursday, December 20, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

(NaturalNews) "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." - Adolf Hitler, 1922.

In the aftermath of the recent Sandy Hook shooting, Obama and his cohorts are screaming about how they all despise guns and ammo. Guns are the problem in America today, we've been told from every corner of the media, and so the only solution is to get rid of all the guns.

But not exactly. There's one organization in America that's loading up on masses of assault rifles and enough ammunition to run a 10-year shooting war. That organization is, of course, the U.S. federal government and its Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which has purchased a total of 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition to be used domestically, inside the United States.

It begs the question: Why does the Department of Homeland Security -- named after Hitler's "Office of Fatherland Security" -- need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo?


Obama's government stockpiles weapons of mass destruction

The DHS began all this in April of this year, with the purchase of 450 million rounds of hollow point .40 caliber ammunition. This is significant for two reasons:

1) DHS does not fight wars with foreign nations. It's entire theater of operations is on U.S. soil, dealing solely with the American people.

2) Hollow point ammunition is banned by the Geneva convention and is not used by the U.S. military. This ammunition can only be used domestically, in the United States, against U.S. targets or people.

Along with these 450 million rounds of ammunition, DHS also purchased $400,000 worth of radiation protection pills and thousands of bullet-proof roadside checkpoint booths. Is it expecting a radiological event? (Or perhaps planning one?)

These 450 million rounds of ammo, Natural News calculated, is enough to wage a 7-year war with the American people.


Obama's government stockpiling millions of rounds of ammo to arm the DHS and TSA
You can see the original federal purchase document requesting all this ammunition at:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/DHS_ammo_buy.pdf

The numbers in the document, by the way, are in thousands.

In it, you'll discover that the U.S. government has also purchased all the following ammunition in addition to the 450 million rounds of .40 hollow point "anti-personnel" ammo:

• Over one million rounds of hollow-point .223 rifle ammo
• Over half a million rounds of non-hollow-point .223 rifle ammo
• 220,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #7 ammo (target ammo)
• Over 200,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #00 buckshot ammo (tactical anti-personnel ammo)
• 66,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun slugs (tactical anti-personnel, anti-vehicle rounds)
• Over two million rounds of hollow-point .357 Sig JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)
• Over four million rounds of .40 S&W JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)
• Over 60,000 rounds of .308 match grade anti-personnel sniper rounds (BTHP)
• Plus, hundreds of thousands of additional rounds of .38 special, .45 auto, 9mm, 7.62x39 (AK rifle) ammo, and others
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DHS then buys another 750 million rounds of anti-personnel ammunition
A few months after buying the 450+ million rounds of ammo to be stockpiled by Obama's government in the United States, the DHS then went on to purchase another 750 million rounds of ammunition.

Additional contracts were added after that, bringing the grand total of government ammo purchases in 2012 to 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. That's over five bullets for every American man, woman and child. It also includes long-range sniper rounds.

By comparison, a citizen is considered to be a stockpiling "terrorist" prepper if they own just 1,000 rounds of ammo. The government, however, can purchase billions and the mainstream media doesn't even question it.

Where is all this ammunition going? It's being stockpiled by the federal government, awaiting some future event during which it will apparently be "activated." Why else would you stockpile something if you don't anticipate needing to use it someday?

During all this, Obama and his cohorts in Washington are loudly insisting that American citizens have no right to purchase firearms or ammunition, and that new laws will soon be enacted to make sure you cannot do what the government does: stockpile weapons and ammo.


Obama has armed security personnel for self defense, but YOU can't have self defense
The United States of America was founded on the idea that an armed citizenry is the only thing that can be trusted to keep government honest, but that idea has now been turned upside down. The new message today is that an armed government is the only thing that can be trusted, and that individual citizens are all potential terrorists and mass murderers.

While Obama, Feinstein, Bloomberg and others are calling for citizens to give up their self defense tools, those very same people all have armed bodyguards to provide for their own self defense. Obama in particular has an entire group of men -- the U.S. Secret Service -- who are most definitely armed to the teeth and wielding full-auto weapons.

Will Obama now call for his own Secret Service men to give up their guns and ammunition? Will Bloomberg give up his armed police escorts and security personnel? Will the White House be completely disarmed and have a "Gun Free Zone" sign placed outside the White House lawn?

Of course not. What Obama, Bloomberg, Schumer, Feinstein and all these tyrants practice is a cynical double standard. They want YOU to give up all your guns and rights, but THEY refuse to do so. It's okay for them to be armed, but not you. You can't be trusted because you're just a hard-working American taxpayer / slave. Only the government elite can be trusted with guns, you see, because government is so incredibly honest, ethical and trustworthy. And anyone who questions that is obviously a terrorist.

That's the new insanity in Washington D.C. and apparently across the mainstream media where twits like Piers Morgan smear our TV screens with imbecilic profanity as they rant and rave about American citizens giving up all their guns while the government stockpiles masses of assault rifles and billions of rounds of ammunition.

Piers Morgan, in case you haven't figure it out, is precisely the kind of traitorous tory America's founding fathers would have hanged from a tree in 1776. That this frothing talking moron, a British subject, even sets foot in America today and calls for the mass disarmament of the American people is tantamount to an act of deliberate sabotage of the very nation that already defeated the British in one war. Morgan is an enemy of America and a traitor to humanity.




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nice syntax

if only we had a moderator to weed this crap out...

:what:??? what are you talking about now?? :upsetfavre:

Let me guess you didn't check any of the links in the article ... :jawalrus:

It's and editorial piece, and he provides facts from links within his opinion......just like any other well assembled editorial piece........so let me go ahead and nip the de facto this is "nutjobbery" remark in the bud
 

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:what:??? what are you talking about now?? :upsetfavre:

Let me guess you didn't check any of the links in the article ... :jawalrus:

It's and editorial piece, and he provides facts from links within his opinion......just like any other well assembled editorial piece........so let me go ahead and nip the de facto this is "nutjobbery" remark in the bud

all the links go to other articles from the same site (naturalnews.com)

then the 3 at the end:

Gun Owners of America
Index of /
Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

:stopitslime:

it appeals to "false flags". that term appeals to conspiracies by definition. and it is FEAR MONGERING:

Look for a radiological attack of some sort, such as a dirty bomb being set off in a major U.S. city by a rogue group working under Obama. This will be used to terrorize Americans and blame patriots, unleashing an all-out war against individual liberty in America.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3799656&postcount=4

Mike Adams & NaturalNews = One best source of health misinformation you can find on the web
 

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all the links go to other articles from the same site (naturalnews.com)

then the 3 at the end:

Gun Owners of America
Index of /
Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

:stopitslime:

it appeals to "false flags". that term appeals to conspiracies by definition. and it is FEAR MONGERING:

With all due respect....I'm just going to lay it out there.....you are an IDIOT ON PURPOSE....you a smart person playing an idiot....

Let me help you out here... give me a second..

1) The first place he links to goes back to an article he wrote in April 19, 2012, talking abou this story. If you go to this link, here: What's the government buying these days? Hollow point bullets, hardened checkpoint booths and radiation pills,.... it has a marketwatch link which is broken MarketWatch.com ...
Thats ok..... because we go to a non - alternative website and find the same story...

The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets - Business Insider


The Department Of Homeland Security Is Buying 450 Million New Bullets

Eloise Lee|March 28, 2012

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."

This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.
The deadline for earlier this month was extended because the right contractor just hadn't come along.

Looks like the Department of Homeland Security means business.


^^Wow?? I can't believe it... its the exact same story on a non-alternative news website...........the only thing that was added in the Natural News article was the opinion of what he thinks it means....


Waits patiently for some absurd rebuttal...................... :blessed:
 

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With all due respect....I'm just going to lay it out there.....you are an IDIOT ON PURPOSE....you a smart person playing an idiot....

Let me help you out here... give me a second..

1) The first place he links to goes back to an article he wrote in April 19, 2012, talking abou this story. If you go to this link, here: What's the government buying these days? Hollow point bullets, hardened checkpoint booths and radiation pills,.... it has a marketwatch link which is broken MarketWatch.com ...
Thats ok..... because we go to a non - alternative website and find the same story...

^^Wow?? I can't believe it... its the exact same story on a non-alternative news website...........the only thing that was added in the Natural News article was the opinion of what he thinks it means....

Waits patiently for some absurd rebuttal...................... :blessed:

that's not how a reference should work. that is how spam works: it just leads you back to the same site, therefore increasing their add revenue. that should be a red flag in general. it also leads to a situation where the person's 'opinions' are based on layers and layers of conjecture. Occam told me that not the best way to form theories

then you admit the links eventually lead to a dead link. but apparently that's my fault
 
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