Let's Talk About Gun Control

[Mowgli]

Ask Dianne Feinstein:

Dianne Feinstein has/had a concealed weapons permit - YouTube

It seems she bought a gun, got a concealed weapons permit, and walked with a weapon because she felt unsafe and wanted to protect herself after someone put a bomb outside her door steps.

I'm trying to find the full video and/or transcript to see her finish her point, but she did admit to the above.

Yet she's the one leading the charge now.

So basically they're gettin scared and desperate. But what have they been doing wrong?

 

[Gallo]

i refuse to go thru a bunch of so called data that answers questions that the poster wanted to answer.

I want the answers to the questions i just asked. and only those answers. i dont want anything extra. you see what mowgli did? didnt answer my question.

can someone please hit me with the simple answers to my questions. if you dont know and cant locate said info. say so.


and the amt of typing you did telling me to search. you could've gone into the threads you mentioned then gave me the simple couple of questions i asked.

i'll be here waiting for an answer.

 

[88m3]

limiting access to firearms will limit deaths from firearms.

 

[MostReal]

Knowing what I know about what this government can do as a black man, I say let everyone keep their guns

 

[ltheghost]

I'll throw this out. If you want to eliminate gun violence you can do a couple of things..
1. Eliminate Guns or make it extremely hard to get one legally. The Japan Solution.
2. Enhance the amount of time people get for having an illegal gun. I'm talking 20 years mandatory if you are caught with an illegal gun. Period.
3. Raise the price on bullets. 500 dollars per bullet. Makes you think about letting a round off.

But in America its a pipe dream to even think about getting guns. This country was founded on guns. Good luck on getting our government to go against the NRA. I grew up around guns all my life and I only knew one guy who was a hunter. Lets just be honest here, I have a gun to protect my house back in the states. I'm not using it hunt deer. Someone breaks into my house with my kid in it..they are dead. I'm not aiming for the legs or any of that shyt. You don't use a gun to injure. You use it to kill. Its time this country just realize that guns are here to stay. Unless we ban guns and switch to swords, guns are here to stay.

 

[No1]

I'm not going to front, as a cat who used to straight up give people his school outlines on the this is lazy as shyt, my fault for not being online today, sorry but this gets the merge homie.

 

[newworldafro]

Iowa lawmaker calls for retroactive gun bans, confiscations of semi-automatic weapons | The Daily Caller

EXCLUSIVE: Cuomo Close To Announcing Massive New Gun Control Laws « CBS New York

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'll throw this out. If you want to eliminate gun violence you can do a couple of things..
1. Eliminate Guns or make it extremely hard to get one legally. The Japan Solution.
2. Enhance the amount of time people get for having an illegal gun. I'm talking 20 years mandatory if you are caught with an illegal gun. Period.
3. Raise the price on bullets. 500 dollars per bullet. Makes you think about letting a round off.

But in America its a pipe dream to even think about getting guns. This country was founded on guns. Good luck on getting our government to go against the NRA. I grew up around guns all my life and I only knew one guy who was a hunter. Lets just be honest here, I have a gun to protect my house back in the states. I'm not using it hunt deer. Someone breaks into my house with my kid in it..they are dead. I'm not aiming for the legs or any of that shyt. You don't use a gun to injure. You use it to kill. Its time this country just realize that guns are here to stay. Unless we ban guns and switch to swords, guns are here to stay.

100% agree

and as these new pushes for legislation continue, its become pretty apparent the only way to stop the widespread use of guns is through a police state

 

[newworldafro]

Biden says Obama could use executive orders to restrict guns | Reuters

Biden says Obama could use executive orders to restrict guns

By John Whitesides and Mark Felsenthal

WASHINGTON | Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:23pm EST

(Reuters) - Vice President Joe Biden said on Wednesday the White House is determined to act quickly to curb gun violence and will explore all avenues - including executive orders that would not require approval by Congress to try to prevent incidents like last month's massacre at a Connecticut school.

Kicking off a series of meetings on gun violence, Biden said the administration would work with gun-control advocates and gun-rights supporters to build a consensus on restrictions. But he made clear that President Barack Obama is prepared to act on his own if necessary.

"We are not going to get caught up in the notion that unless we can do everything, we're going to do nothing. It's critically important that we act," said Biden, who will meet on Thursday with pro-gun groups including the National Rifle Association, which claims 4 million members and is the gun lobby's most powerful organization.

Biden, whose panel was formed after 20 schoolchildren and six adults were killed on December 14 by a gunman at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, has been ordered by Obama to come up with policy proposals on guns by the end of January.

The vice president said there was a consensus on "three or four or five" steps regarding gun safety, but did not specify what they were.

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet," Biden said, adding that Obama is conferring with Attorney General Eric Holder on potential action.

Biden's group is expected to recommend to Congress the reinstatement of an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

The Washington Post has reported the group also will ask Congress for broad restrictions that include tracking the sale and movement of weapons via a national database, and stiffer checks on the mental health of prospective gun buyers.

During his daily briefing, White House spokesman Jay Carney declined to discuss any action Obama might take on his own on guns. "Those decisions haven't been made," Carney said.

The Connecticut school shootings galvanized activists on both sides of the gun-control issue. In Washington and across the nation, the slayings inspired new calls for more restrictive gun laws and led gun-rights advocates to mobilize in opposition.

Obama promised to put gun control at the top of his agenda after he begins his second term on January 20, but the issue will have to compete with a crush of other priorities including a looming budget confrontation with congressional Republicans.

'DETERMINED TO TAKE ACTION'

There have been other pushes for gun control in recent years, but such efforts were typically blocked by the influential gun lobby, which enjoys widespread support among Republicans and significant backing among Democrats as well.

But now, "the president and I are determined to take action," Biden said at Wednesday's meeting with gun violence victims and gun-control advocates.

"This is not an exercise in photo opportunities or just getting to ask you all what your opinions are. We're reaching out to all parties on whatever side of the debate you fall," he said.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc, the largest U.S. gun seller, also will participate in Thursday's White House meetings. Wal-Mart reversed its initial decision not to send anyone to the Biden gathering to share the company's position.

"We underestimated the expectation to attend the meeting on Thursday in person, so we are sending an appropriate representative to participate," spokesman David Tovar said.

Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence, attended Wednesday's meeting and told reporters there was broad consensus on strengthening background checks and a general convergence of ideas on many other restrictions.

"What the gun lobby is trying to do is drag ... the American public down into the same old political debate," Gross said.

Even without action by Congress, Obama could issue orders to improve background checks on gun buyers, ban certain gun imports and bolster oversight of dealers. Other executive orders could improve information sharing among law enforcement authorities about illegal gun purchases, and maintain data on gun sales for longer periods.

Obama has said he believes most Americans support the reinstatement of a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons, barring the sale of high-capacity ammunition clips, and a law requiring background checks on buyers before all gun purchases.

It is unclear whether any of those measures will have more support in Congress after the Connecticut massacre than they did after previous mass shootings.

With the federal outcome uncertain, some states are taking action on their own. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo pledged to enact the country's strictest assault weapons ban and outlaw all high-capacity magazines.

"Gun violence has been on a rampage as we know firsthand and we know painfully," Cuomo said on Wednesday in his annual State of the State address, committing New York to leading the country in enacting new gun control laws. "We must stop the madness, my friends."

In neighboring Connecticut, Governor Dannel Malloy urged U.S. lawmakers to tighten federal gun control measures in response to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

"As long as weapons continue to travel up and down (interstate highway) I-95, what is available for sale in Florida or Virginia can have devastating consequences here in Connecticut," said Malloy, who paused and fought back tears, his voice cracking, when discussing the tragedy at Sandy Hook.

A federal appeals court signaled on Wednesday it is prepared to uphold one of the few gun control measures put forward so far by the Obama administration - a regulation designed to detect the sale of semi-automatic rifles to Mexican drug cartels.

Gun retailers and manufacturers, including a trade group based in Newtown, said the rule is burdensome and violates federal law.

The measure requires stores in the four U.S. states bordering Mexico to send a notice to federal law enforcement whenever someone buys two or more of a certain kind of high-caliber, semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine.

The court is expected to rule on the case within the next few months. During a hearing on Wednesday, the court's three judges repeatedly questioned whether the rule created too much extra work for gun sellers and manufacturers.

In Colorado, prosecutors ended their pre-trial case against accused movie house gunman James Holmes by showing photos he took of himself by cellphone, posing with firearms and body armor.

The photos capped three days of hearings in which prosecutors laid out their case for putting him on trial. Defense lawyers declined to present evidence or witnesses of their own.

The onetime neuroscience doctoral student is charged with multiple counts of first-degree murder and attempted murder for the 12 people slain and dozens of others wounded in the Denver suburb of Aurora in a July shooting attack.

 

[irishfury]

Tyranny always comes in the guise of "protecting us"

 

[newworldafro]

Just want to share this gem......................................I heard on alternative media a few days ago.......haven't read full article, but seems worth a full read..

The Secret History of Guns - Adam Winkler - The Atlantic

September 2011 ATLANTIC MAGAZINE

Civil-rights activists, even those committed to nonviolent resistance, had long appreciated the value of guns for self-protection. Martin Luther King Jr. applied for a permit to carry a concealed firearm in 1956, after his house was bombed. His application was denied, but from then on, armed supporters guarded his home. One adviser, Glenn Smiley, described the King home as “an arsenal.” William Worthy, a black reporter who covered the civil-rights movement, almost sat on a loaded gun in a living-room armchair during a visit to King’s parsonage.

So we can get an idea where the peaceful non-violent civil rights leader would feel about guns in general..............................he was ready to bust his guns......... ........................ but defensively

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Just want to share this gem......................................I heard on alternative media a few days ago.......haven't read full article, but seems worth a full read..



So we can get an idea where the peaceful non-violent civil rights leader would feel about guns in general..............................he was ready to bust his guns......... ........................ but defensively

 

[newworldafro]

posted part of article...

Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds

Wyoming Bill Would Nullify Obama Gun Control, Jail Feds

Friday, 11 January 2013 14:01
Written by Alex Newman

As the Obama administration plots various assaults on gun rights by “executive order” and legislation, proposals described as “very extreme” even by some Democrats, state lawmakers in Wyoming have another idea. Republican legislators are rallying behind nullification legislation that would void unconstitutional infringements on the right to keep and bear arms, even providing prison time for any federal agents who may try to enforce Washington, D.C., gun control in the state. Lawmakers expect it to pass.

The new bill, H.B. 0104 or the “Firearms Protection Act,” would nullify any new federal infringements on the constitutionally protected gun rights of state residents — who enjoy some of the lowest crime rates while being among the most heavily armed people in America. Unconstitutional federal gun registration schemes, as well as restrictions on semi-automatic guns or standard-capacity magazines, would also be nullified under the legislation.

There are teeth in the proposed law too: Any federal official attempting to enforce unconstitutional statutes or decrees infringing on gun rights passed after January 1 of this year would be charged with a felony. If convicted, criminal officials would be punished by up to five years in state prison and a $5,000 fine. The legislation also authorizes the state attorney general to defend citizens of Wyoming if federal authorities seek prosecutions under unconstitutional gun control rules.

 

[newworldafro]

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...rt-anti-gunners-dont-want-you-to-see_01052013

America’s Biggest Killers: The Chart Anti-Gunners Don’t Want You To See
January 6, 2013


America’s Biggest Killers: The Chart Anti-Gunners Don’t Want You To See





Mac Slavo
January 5th, 2013
SHTFplan.com

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What we are hearing from bloviating gun control advocates in America is nothing short of emotionally driven irrationality.

According to statistics assembled from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Center for Disease Control and the Federal Government, firearms related homicides are minuscule in comparison to other the other “big killers” in the United States.

If we look at homicide statistics in the United States it’s clear that more murders are committed with knives, bats, hammers and poisons than with firearms. As Kurt Nimmo recently noted, “ the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outpaces the number of murders committed with a rifle.”

The facts, not the drivel being spewed by the anti-gun propaganda machine, leave us wondering why some State and Federal lawmakers are so adamant about restricting the sale and ownership of handguns and rifles, especially since the majority of gun owners – close to 99% – have never committed a violent crime in their lives, let alone used a gun to do so.

Here is the chart they never want you to see:

The chart above proves that politicians and those who would disarm Americans by going so far as to call for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment have ulterior motives – or they’re completely ignorant of the facts.

Perhaps their goal is to trigger a revolution in an effort to implement a total police state over the American people.

It wouldn’t be the first time that a government has tried something like this.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

A major flex of the executive branch without a VERY needed and prime example of a needed check and balance.....i honestly dont care what the limit is be ause very ambiguous terms arebeing used in the first place. What defines a "large magazine" or "assault weapon"(a fukkin hammer is an assault weapon)?

To the point, this would be a huge dissapointment to me to prove a lot of naysayers and fear mongers of this president RIGHT. I dont like this use of executive power at all.