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He already got the last 4, doesnt matter to him. If you have your guns, hold onto em'. Now if anybody tries to come in my home to collect my guns (theoretically, not buying into the panic and hype) then there may be a problem. I don't care if it was match box cars, mine is mine, and I earned my shyt, nobody taking it away.
 

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There's no way he uses an e. o. to ban assault weapons. He might for background checks and MAYBE for high capacity magazines.

Yea, Obama naysayers are gonna get a double-shot here. First it's gonna be, "See, we told you he was an overreaching, socialist nazi!" Then, when the next shooting happens, it's gonna be, "See, we told you he was an inneffective putz!"
 

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Joe Biden on guns: White House eying 19 executive actions - POLITICO.com

Joe Biden: White House eying 19 executive actions on guns

By REID J. EPSTEIN | 1/14/13 6:49 PM EST Updated: 1/15/13 9:46 AM EST

The White House has identified 19 executive actions for President Barack Obama to move unilaterally on gun control, Vice President Joe Biden told a group of House Democrats on Monday, the administration’s first definitive statements about its response to last month’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Later this week, Obama will formally announce his proposals to reduce gun violence, which are expected to include renewal of the assault weapons ban, universal background checks and prohibition of high-capacity magazine clips. But Biden, who has been leading Obama’s task force on the response, spent two hours briefing a small group of sympathetic House Democrats on the road ahead in the latest White House outreach to invested groups.

The focus on executive orders is the result of the White House and other Democrats acknowledging the political difficulty of enacting any new gun legislation, a topic Biden did not address in Monday’s meeting.

The executive actions could include giving the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention authority to conduct national research on guns, more aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws and pushing for wider sharing of existing gun databases among federal and state agencies, members of Congress in the meeting said.

But Biden did indicate that the remains of the Obama campaign apparatus may be activated in the effort.

“He said that this has been a real focus on the policy and that the politics of this issue, that a strategy on the politics of the issue hasn’t been undertaken yet,” Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) told POLITICO. “He did remind us that the campaign infrastructure is still accessible.”

Biden did not address two of the more significant issues in the gun debate: the appointment of a permanent director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and the role violent images in the entertainment industry play in the nation’s gun violence.

But Biden did indicate that the remains of the Obama campaign apparatus may be activated in the effort.

“He said that this has been a real focus on the policy and that the politics of this issue, that a strategy on the politics of the issue hasn’t been undertaken yet,” Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) told POLITICO. “He did remind us that the campaign infrastructure is still accessible.”

Biden did not address two of the more significant issues in the gun debate: the appointment of a permanent director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and the role violent images in the entertainment industry play in the nation’s gun violence.

Even Democrats who back gun control concede that reinstating an assault weapons ban — the 1994 law expired in 2004 — will be a heavy lift for the White House. During his meeting with gun-rights groups last week, Biden mentioned only an assault weapons ban when telling the NRA and other organizations that Obama has “made up his mind” to support it.

“I think everybody acknowledges that the assault weapons ban is a challenge, but other things — like the size of the magazines, the background checks, straw purchases — are all things that have a good chance of passing,” Scott said.

Speier said she told Biden the White House should do as much as it can on its own.

“I urged him to do as much by executive order as possible,” she said. “Frankly, I don’t have a lot of confidence that this Congress is going to do anything significant.”

And Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.), the chairman of the House Democrats’ Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, said the magazine ban and universal background checks would be far more effective than an assault weapons ban without the political cost.

“Probably the most recognizable thing you can say in this debate is ban assault weapons,” Thompson said. “But the other two issues” — forbidding high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring universal background checks for gun purchases — “those two things have more impact on making our neighborhoods safe than everything else combined. Anytime you try and prohibit what kind of gun people has it generates some concern.”

Biden’s personal gun violence outreach now includes the families of the 26 victims of the Dec. 14 school massacre in Newtown, Conn. Biden told the Monday meeting that he’s been reaching out to the families. A White House official confirmed the vice president has been in touch directly with some of the families.

“The vice president mentioned that he has called every one of the families that has lost children in Connecticut, and that the conversations have lasted no less than 45 minutes,” Speier said.
 

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i am a skrong suporta uh da sekun amenmint and da rite to bare arms. it is verry necesity in orda to kombat da radicuh marksiss state dat barah oboomba is imposin on us.

howeva I wood have no prollem wit an etsekative orda dat ban blas from havin guns. good whie folts wit guns is da onlee thing praventin dis c*ntry from turnin into zimbobway or hatey. das y I think blas shood be ban from ownin guns unless dey are highered to protet r borda from swarms uh messicans or dey r boddygards for tailor swiff.
 

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2 of your questions can be easily answered

In Ny:
Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features, such as folding stock, muzzle flash suppressor or bayonet mount. The proposal would reduce that to one feature, including the popular pistol grip. The language specifically targeted the military-style rifle used in the Newtown shootings.

Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

stop being over emotional. you sound no different than a tea party economist
 

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This shyt is so frustrating to me brehs :snoop:

let me explain....

This debate right now in regards to banning assault weapons/high capacity magazines is a war being waged by politicians who know nothing about weapons.

Clearly America has a problem that needs to be addressed, but assault rifles and high capacity magazines are not it. An assault rifle is a semi-automatic rifle that typically employs a 30 round magazine. To the average American that knows nothing about guns all that shyt sounds scary. The reality is an assault weapon occupies two hands, and gives the shooter the capability to fire 30 rounds with 30 trigger pulls before reloading. A pistol magazine holds 16 rounds and occupies 1 hand. In other words, that same shooter can employ two semi-automatic pistols with the capability of firing 32 round with 32 trigger pulls before reloading (/One Mic-Nas). Reloading an assault weapon and a pistol takes about the same amount of time depending on the training/experience of the shooter, and even if you're a fukking retard reloading is still quick/easy.

The largest benefit to an assault rifle is the longer barrel, which allows for more accurate shooting at long distances. This is an irrelevant point considering all of these mass shootings are done in-doors, at close quarters. To build on this point, you could argue that a pistol is more dangerous in-doors because its more easily concealed, and maneuverable. but I digress...
which mass-shooter racked up the most kills? Va-Tech dude with 2 pistols:
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Ultimately, regardless of which side wins this debate it will solve nothing. Not one thing. Mass shootings will still be possible/likely.

So what is the problem? I have no fukking clue. I'm not arrogant enough to think I understand why this shyt happens more in America than any other country. But I don't believe that banning assault weapons and high capacity magazine will make one bit of a difference.

As I said in the thread title, this debate is much ado about nothing. Its a debate being led by politicians who know nothing about weapons. The same politicians who banned collapsible butt-stocks on assault weapons in my state (CT). They pass this legislation, pat themselves on the back for a job well done, and add to their resume under "liberal works of wonder". All a fukking collapsible butt-stock does is make the rifle 3 or 4 inches longer/shorter. The point of it is to adjust to the shooter's height, but at the end of the day its doesn't do one fukking thing to make the weapon any less dangerous. All this legislation does accomplish is allow our governor to claim to the nation that "Connecticut has the toughest gun laws in America." Its horse shyt, the legislation is meaningless.

So is this current debate.

I'm not denying that America has a real problem with guns. What we need to be doing is search for the real problem rather than wasting our time on what has turned into the "republican-democrat pissing match of the month".

:whew: If you read all that props to you. I got a little long-winded :ld:

expecting lots of "tldr" :sadcam:
 

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why do these things exist if they don't make the weapon more efficient?

things like a folding/telescoping stock also make the weapon easier to conceal
 

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Adds this to the thread ..... check the videos ......................................... how does this figure into the (inter)national discussion ???





Prison Planet.com » Breaking: Printable 30-Round AR Magazines Now Available for Download, Seriously

Breaking: Printable 30-Round AR Magazines Now Available for Download, Seriously


Adan Salazar
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January 14, 2013


What just a few months ago was dismissed as a pipe dream or wishful thinking has today become a reality that will no doubt take the gun control debate, not just nationally but worldwide, to a whole new level.

Infowars.com has been reporting on this 3D printing innovator’s amazing work over the last few months. As Infowars breaks this story online, we wonder if the dinosaur press will realize the incredible significance of this – this technological development will circumvent unconstitutional magazine bans and could end the huge shortages we’re seeing. The future is now.

In November’s issue of Infowars Magazine, we wrote about Defense Distributed, a non-profit thinktank experimenting with the revolutionary technology of desktop 3D printing.

Defense Distributed’s goal is to provide a website that anyone in the world could visit to download the files needed to literally print out a working firearm, aptly dubbed a “wiki weapon,” using a 3D printer, a technology that’s already available to the average citizen and is also becoming increasingly affordable.

We are pleased to announce that a huge leap has been made in bringing that concept to fruition.



Yesterday, we received word from the group that they had produced a working 30-round AR magazine, demonstrably very capable as exemplified in a video of Defense Distributed’s un-official frontman Cody Wilson going to town using a fully-automatic rifle.

In the video, Wilson sarcastically asks, “How’s that national conversation going?” as he proceeds to fire a barrage of bullets from a gun notably outfitted with a 30-round 3D printed magazine.

AR Magazine’s Demonization and Scarcity

In the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, the AR 30-round magazine has become highly sought-after, despite the fact that a report by NBC concluded that suspected gunman Adam Lanza did not use a semi-automatic rifle during the shooting and instead left the weapon in his car during the assault.

The popular AR magazine is one of the items at the center of the heated gun control debate and is set to be banned if Cali. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s anti-assault weapons bill passes, which “Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.”

Top gun parts manufacturers have reported that they are having a hard time keeping this particular magazine in stock, with at least one manufacturer, Haus of Guns, reporting a backorder of one million magazines.

With people now able to print their own AR magazines, the burden on gun parts manufacturers should definitely be lightened.

David Gregory Got Away with Having an AR Magazine on NBC

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NBC’s David Gregory also recently received backlash for flashing an AR high-capacity magazine on national television during an interview.

A few weeks ago, during a segment on “Meet the Press,” Gregory decided it would bolster his anti-gun argument to flash a magazine at NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre, while asking, “Isn’t it possible that if we got rid of these…we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?”

It was recently announced that, although many were outraged by Gregory’s audacity in breaking DC’s restrictive firearm laws, which prohibit magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, no charges would be brought up against him or NBC (surprise, surprise…).

The Atlantic Wire reported that Washington DC Attorney General Irvin B. Nathan decided against pressing charges on Gregory, saying that “the temporary possession and short display of the magazine was to promote the First Amendment purpose of informing an ongoing public debate about firearms policy in the United States.”

Rep Steve Israel Sees Potential for 3D Printed Weapons

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While Defense Distributed’s ultimate goal of arming the world with 3D printed weapons is still quite a ways down the road, one Congressman fears the technology’s potential.

In December, Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY) announced that he would seek legislation renewing the federal ban on undetectable firearms set to expire at the end of this year.

According to his House site, Israel told lawmakers, “Congress passed a law banning plastic guns for two decades, when they were just a movie fantasy. With the advent of 3-D printers these guns are suddenly a real possibility, but the law Congress passed is set to expire next year. We should act now to give law enforcement authorities the power to stop the development of these weapons before they are as easy to come by as a Google search. ”

The piece of legislation Israel is referring to is the Undetectable Firearms Act which makes it unlawful to produce a firearm that is not detectable by a walk-through metal detector or X-ray machine.

As we noted in the November issue of Infowars Magazine, Defense Distributed is well aware of the “undetectable” law, and say their weapons will comply with said measure; however, they are keeping it a secret as to how exactly they plan to bypass this little piece of legislation: “We’ve been pretty public about telling people what we’re doing, but I’m not sure I want to give away the legal strategy here…Bottom line we’re gonna follow the law.”

What’s Next for Defense Distributed?

It remains to be seen where “A little American ingenuity,” as they note in their Youtube video, will take Defense Distributed, whose noble goal it is to provide a firearm portable defense to anyone who so desires it; however, as we stated previously, it should only be a matter of time before all anyone will need is the internet, a 3D printer, and some ammo.

Visit Defense Distributed where you can read reviews on the new mag or click here to download your high-capacity AR magazine now.



 
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why do these things exist if they don't make the weapon more efficient?

things like a folding/telescoping stock also make the weapon easier to conceal

like i said...they are more accurate at longer distances. This feature is irrelevant to the mass-shooting debate though. They are all done in-doors, at close-range.

Someone who likes marksmanship, and engaging targets at 300 meters + needs to use one of "these things". So far, mass shooters don't so this.

And, very true to your second point, but not nearly as concealable as a pistol. Which, again, speaks to me point.
 
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