Discussion in 'The Root' started by KidStranglehold, Feb 28, 2017.
I think he might be referring to the moorish conquest of the Songhai Empire?
I'm aware but even that was only thanks to European support specifically when it came to their muskets and canons. Before that I heard the Moors/Moroccans were getting that work by the Songhai especially in the desert.
Agreed. And yeah, almost the entire army was composed of Spaniard and other european mercenaries I think.
You know the Songhai probably could have eliminated the Moroccans like fifty years prior to that invasion too
There was a more detailed account of this in a book that I read, but the impression I got was that the Songhai were FAR more powerful than the Moroccans at the time.
Yeah, I think I read that passage and theres much MORE. Its a big myth that won't go away that the "Caucasoid" North Africans were more advanced than the lowly "Negroid" West Africans. If anything it was the other way around and West Africans were more developed because they were always farmers because that they had settlements much earlier than their Berber neighbors.
This whole thing is similar to Egypt vs Nubia/Sudan.
Again for those who think modern day Northwest Africans are exactly the same as those in the past.
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@Diasporan Royalty I'm not sure about this because if that's the case then why do most Berbers of the Maghreb including the lighter skinned ones still carry African paternal genomes at a predominant rate? (E3b/M81) If Europeans widely populated an already sparse area then shouldn't European male lineages be far more represented in modern North West African genetic samples then African lineages? We only see somewhat high female European lineages in Berbers...which seems to coincide with the idea that it really was admixture between African men (moors) and European females (with some Arab males mixed in of course) that really changed the complexion of the Maghreb.
This is true, but it is also important to remember that Songhai wasn't attacked by the true Berbers/Moors. Songhai was attacked by the Saadi Dynasty of Morocco, from what I've studied the Saadi were Arabs and by Arabs I mean ethnic Arabs as they claim their origin to the Arabian Peninsula through Prophet Muhammad's daughter. I also remember reading they actually fought against the Berbers of Zentana and Masmuda descent to gain wider control of Morocco before they invaded Songhai .... (Can anyone confirm this?)
I didn't mean just Europeans but also Arabs(which you can see in their paternal line). Not only that but we KNOW European migrations were mostly female based(like you said). But more importantly its possible for certain Haplogroups to become replaced by others. Maghbrebi with still carry European R at 15%. We see something like this with Ashkenazi Jews when it comes to their male side.
I always assumed Songhai was attacked by a native Moroccan dynasty. Also the bolded sounds very interesting and would actually shoot a hole in the myth that the Moors were responsible for the destruction of African civilization that some try to say.
Not to be a lazy b*stard but could you show evidence of that 15% R, thnx
So did I but as I did more research I read some sources that stated the Saadi Dynasty actually fought against an earlier dynasty in Morocco which were of Zenata Origin. I'm not 100% sure on this yet but I'm searching for additional sources and books to validate my claim.
See Arredi et al. (2004) and also Berbers like the Kabyle are said to gave around 15% R.
Yeah please post the source because I remember it being a Moroccan king trying to ally with Songhai against Ottomans but the Songhai king refused and so they invaded. Something like that happened.
This lady IS the most KNOWLEDGEABLE person on the Moors. Listen to her and not these clown ass Youtube Hoteps who think the Berbers were white while trying to claim the Moors as Black.
^She actually knows what she is talking about.
I got the golden age of the moors and the moors in Spain for Xmas. Also barbarian cruelty.
Can't wait to read them.
GOLDEN AGE OF THE MOOR was dumb expensive. ($160)
DAMN!!!! You can get the PDF for free online! Hell I have a free version.
When it comes to older books make sure you can find it online as a PDF before purchasing.
$160 dollars nikka? refund that shyt and get it online for free