Life After Death proves Biggie hated Pac despite what he said in interviews.

[The Blind Man]

You need to understand the science of the situation, Pac spoke on all that shyt..his main beef with Biggie is he switched sides on him after he was supposed to be his man he was tryin to put on,looked out for him etc. "Fear is stronger than love, remember that..all the love I showed nikkas didnt mean shyt when it came to fear"...Biggie was down with the dudes directly or indirectly who robbed him in New York..at first they didn't know what happened,said it was just some stick up kids, etc..then after Pac speak on it... now everyone knows what happened, who robbed him etc. Biggie warned him but in a round about way, im sure in pac mind looking back its like why warn me unless you knew they was plotting ..All that Deathrow/Vegas shyt go back to the NY shooting, you really think they stomped that nikka out for no reason? You really think Biggie died for no reason? Big wont ignoring shyt that whole album and various interviews he would say sneaky lil shyt..

Pac had a victim mentality after the quad, maybe even after being boyed by the dudes he was running with who raped ol'girl. His interview shows that. He'd been through a lot PTSD is a mofo.

But I never said it was for no reason, I stated the reason and it was a bullshyt reason it wasnt Pacs chain that got snatched and Pac paid the ultimate price for that, and considering he wasnt involved in the gang shyt getting killed over it seems stupid.

The beef was between Puff and Suge, we know this. Before Suge had even put bail money up for dude. There was already casualties.

All that shyt about BIG being down with Jimmy and knew the dudes who robbed him, even if it is true, its got fukk all to do with it.

I see a similarity with Ja/50 situation, Curtis said Jeff seen him talking to the guy who robbed him and Jeff was mad at Curtis instead of the dude who robbed him. Sounds like hustling backwards to me.

But wait you talking about what the victim said the situation. You gonna ignore what Jimmy has said?

Didn't Jimmy explain why he had Pac robbed, to put him under manners, what we know about Jimmy, having some corny dude like Pac screaming on him wasnt a good look for the head of a multi-million dollar criminal enterprise.

 

[kingofnyc]

You need to understand the science of the situation, Pac spoke on all that shyt..his main beef with Biggie is he switched sides on him after he was supposed to be his man he was tryin to put on,looked out for him etc. "Fear is stronger than love, remember that..all the love I showed nikkas didnt mean shyt when it came to fear"...Biggie was down with the dudes directly or indirectly who robbed him in New York..at first they didn't know what happened,said it was just some stick up kids, etc..then after Pac speak on it... now everyone knows what happened, who robbed him etc. Biggie warned him but in a round about way, im sure in pac mind looking back its like why warn me unless you knew they was plotting ..All that Deathrow/Vegas shyt go back to the NY shooting, you really think they stomped that nikka out for no reason? You really think Biggie died for no reason? Big wont ignoring shyt that whole album and various interviews he would say sneaky lil shyt..it wont just Pac coming at him on some bullshyt, Biggie knew what was goin on the whole time..he positioned himself to roll with those dudes and he caught some too...the night of his death...he was on the Westcoast chillin with the nikkas that that killed Pac...Biggie aint some angel..he knew what time it was..he was a dumb ass for even being out there and got himself killed tryin run that victory lap.

breh

for the record - i just dont understand why u make these inexcusable statement
-that aren't true!


1. biggie was NOT down with dexter issac - they didnt even know each other

2. what do u mean biggie warned pac in a round about way? what dose that even mean - for the record biggie warned pac a year prior sometime '93 and that was more or less about dont fukkz with jac & tut (which later was da main nikkaz that got him charge for rape)

 

[Knicksman20]

This part I have to agree with as well. Youngsters don't remember but I was alive and well as a kid in that time and I remember clearly how pac had the whole east coast pressed and silent. No one likes to admit mobb deep and Chino xl were the only 2 who had any balls to say something about pac antics. Lauryn hill to some extent as well. All the other major acts out east you could hear a mouse piss on cotton for the most part.

I'm fans of both jay and nas, but I chuckle at there 2pac stories after the fact. Nas acting like he was ready to bang on pac when he was quiet, didn't want to team with biggie and took the 1 little shot he had vs biggie off the streets. Jay with this fantasy of a live diss to pac at the Apollo that we will never see lol.

Then all these dudes with they "man if pac wouldn't have died we would have went hard at him" if they really had them records on deck that shyt would have been leaked out here by now. Let's just be real, yall didn't want that wreck with that loud mouth pac who would turn the whole planet against you. They saw the hell biggie and puff caught and didn't want to associate themselves with that. Period.

This isn't true. Tupac died before he could take more L's & believe me he had a lot of NY emcees coming for his neck for the disrespect. Those disses got buried once he died. If X who was an unknown at the time was getting at him you don't think the vets & well established artists weren't gonna do the same:

 

[kingofnyc]

Chuck Phillips story was partially true though, the snitch told them about Puffy offering 1mil but they didnt want to get sued so for whatever reason it was changed to Biggie..that rumor been around since summer 96

please dont tell me u believe in that


da story was full of shyt when it came out a decade ago ......
da story was full of shyt when they put da puff daddy remix on it with da murder rap doc a year ago ......
da story is full of shyt at this very moment ......

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

Yall Pac fans are worse than the cops. No, a nygga can't be chillin and minding his own business. He's gonna pin some BS on you one way or the other.

Way to miss the point, OP is saying Biggie was a coward for putting on a front while PAC was alive like everything was gravy, but waited to he died to attack him like a coward...

Make a diss song about someone who died, and have the song get released after You die brehs

 

[cornercommission2k12]

This isn't true. Tupac died before he could take more L's & believe me he had a lot of NY emcees coming for his neck for the disrespect. Those disses got buried once he died. If X who was an unknown at the time was getting at him you don't think the vets & well established artists weren't gonna do the same:

X was a unknown at the time, I was more in reference to the bigger names out east. I'm sure it was a ton of guys on the ground level who said fukk pac.

But where was capone and nore? AZ? jay? Nas? Mic geronimo? Won't say wu cause pac was cool with them and they didn't like biggie and bad boy either. Cmon breh they knew if they made any disses toward pac he does 1 record with a few bars for them and that was it for them as far as marketing and selling in the south Midwest or out west.

And just like that DMX track leaked, and that little nas diss leaked all those other tracks would have leaked by now. Let's be real, they fell back and shut up. They made no records toward pac. They wanted none of that wreck.

 

[spliz]

This isn't true. Tupac died before he could take more L's & believe me he had a lot of NY emcees coming for his neck for the disrespect. Those disses got buried once he died. If X who was an unknown at the time was getting at him you don't think the vets & well established artists weren't gonna do the same:

Fam DMX wasn't nobody at the time. nikka made zero noise. He's saying aside from Mobb Deep. All the big names was relatively quiet. Most of the time doin behind the scenes hating. Most people didn't have the balls to diss him. Then on top of that. Before he died. He was teaming up with alot of east coast and Brooklyn cats himself. I still to this day maintain he would've patched shyt up wit Biggie had he lived. Cause he was patching it up wit mad east coast cats. And started really goin at Diddy and Henchman n such.

 

[spliz]

You started the thread by saying one persons "antics" was proof of hating another person. how Big showed zero respect

What, like this actual interview. Some vitriolic shyt here brehs, if you a sensitive Pac type persona you may wanna avoid...



but hold up, people disagree and all of a sudden "None of us knew them"

Nicely done.

fam who didnt see this interview? Biggie was affected by what Pac was doin. Stop projecting what u think u would feel. Biggie felt a way. That's pretty much established. Ur like the only person in this thread sayin the shyt u sayin.

 

[Still Benefited]

This part I have to agree with as well. Youngsters don't remember but I was alive and well as a kid in that time and I remember clearly how pac had the whole east coast pressed and silent. No one likes to admit mobb deep and Chino xl were the only 2 who had any balls to say something about pac antics. Lauryn hill to some extent as well. All the other major acts out east you could hear a mouse piss on cotton for the most part.

I'm fans of both jay and nas, but I chuckle at there 2pac stories after the fact. Nas acting like he was ready to bang on pac when he was quiet, didn't want to team with biggie and took the 1 little shot he had vs biggie off the streets. Jay with this fantasy of a live diss to pac at the Apollo that we will never see lol.

Then all these dudes with they "man if pac wouldn't have died we would have went hard at him" if they really had them records on deck that shyt would have been leaked out here by now. Let's just be real, yall didn't want that wreck with that loud mouth pac who would turn the whole planet against you. They saw the hell biggie and puff caught and didn't want to associate themselves with that. Period.

I cant see how u come to any other conclusion...Biggie is in multiple interviews talking like he's just a rapper who wants to rise above the negativity,and to just make his money.

I wouldn't be saying what I'm saying if he had just been silent....but dude was making moves that prove he wanted no smoke with Pac on wax...nikka would rather diss himself than Pac on a Brooklyn finest...then showed even more he was shook by trying to get Nas to dissing Pac....Oh so u was cool and ready to battle if Nas was going to hold your hand through it?but Nas said no,and u back to being about peace and just getting your money

Up until Pac dies of course,then u wanna go out cheap and be a bigshot...nikkas talk about Pacs antics,like Biggies didn't arguably get himself killed...he was puffin his chest out too....at least pac did it in retaliation in competetion...Biggie puffin his chest out by SUBLIMINALLY dissing ghost is some hilarious shyt....then still gets killed

 

[Renzo]

Pac had a victim mentality after the quad, maybe even after being boyed by the dudes he was running with who raped ol'girl. His interview shows that. He'd been through a lot PTSD is a mofo.

But I never said it was for no reason, I stated the reason and it was a bullshyt reason it wasnt Pacs chain that got snatched and Pac paid the ultimate price for that, and considering he wasnt involved in the gang shyt getting killed over it seems stupid.

The beef was between Puff and Suge, we know this. Before Suge had even put bail money up for dude. There was already casualties.

All that shyt about BIG being down with Jimmy and knew the dudes who robbed him, even if it is true, its got fukk all to do with it.

I see a similarity with Ja/50 situation, Curtis said Jeff seen him talking to the guy who robbed him and Jeff was mad at Curtis instead of the dude who robbed him. Sounds like hustling backwards to me.

But wait you talking about what the victim said the situation. You gonna ignore what Jimmy has said?

Didn't Jimmy explain why he had Pac robbed, to put him under manners, what we know about Jimmy, having some corny dude like Pac screaming on him wasnt a good look for the head of a multi-million dollar criminal enterprise.

The chain snatching was ordered by Puffy, it obviously had to do with Pac,they had plans to kill him chain or not..that was just some tit for tat shyt...all that shyt go back to the NY situation...Pac didnt inherit this beef..Him and Suge had mutual enemies so they linked up since that was his nikka like a real nikka supposed to do or would you leave your man out there ass o..he became the mouth piece in a growing street beef that spilled into music biz..fukk that nikka Jimmy.. he the one who started off all this shyt..he want credit for robbing Pac on one hand but then saying he had nothing to do with it,so yea ill take the victims words since it was the most consistent all things considered..

 

[KG1]

Biggie wasn't doing that well financially before he died
His own wife said that

?????

 

[Renzo]

breh

for the record - i just dont understand why u make these inexcusable statement
-that aren't true!


1. biggie was NOT down with dexter issac - they didnt even know each other

2. what do u mean biggie warned pac in a round about way? what dose that even mean - for the record biggie warned pac a year prior sometime '93 and that was more or less about dont fukkz with jac & tut (which later was da main nikkaz that got him charge for rape)

In a round about way...supposedly biggie warned him about them dudes, pac says what you mean..Big said ill tell you later...that aint no warning..does that mean biggie knew? Na but put yourself in that situation..if your man tell u that and u end up gettinv robbed by them same nikkas you goin feel ya man knew or had a idea they was plotting, this shyt aint rocket science....all that other shyt is whatever. .the nikka Dex who robbed pac said biggie was his man ill take his word over yours...

 

[SunZoo]

On top of that Pac brought all that shyt on himself trying to live a life he was built for. In multiple interviews Pac said shyt like "I never thought anyone from my community would touch me". nikka if you was really born in it u would know NOBODY is above catching it. I'm not trying to shyt on Pac (even tho I really am right now), I just think his ego was out of control.

What nikkas don't seem to understand when looking at the situation is that Pac was raised by Panthers. I've touched on this before.

His apparent naivete about how street nikkas moved wasn't because he was a choir boy or was soft, it was because while he was raised around the criminal element, he also saw these same people move with a code and do for their people in the process...he had a world view of the hood and of black people that pre-dated the complete dismantling of black unity and community.

This is what Thug Lyfe was about which most people gloss over...what he was really trying to do with that movement was bring Panther type codes and ethics to the streets so that the SOLDIERS out in the streets weren't fighting killing their own infantry. Yea it seems far fetched because anybody who grew up in the streets understands that after the Civil Rights movement there was no unity...but he saw what it was like BEFORE.

He wasn't soft, or dumb, he was idealistic. And when these street nikkas and AGENTS showed their hand, they killed Pac's ideals which is why he said it was dead. You can't ask somebody that hot headed to be docile, so once that somber, soul crushing reality wore off about implementing those Thug Lyfe structures and codes to the streets, his fire got directed elsewhere.

I can go in deeper, even to a spiritual level as to what Pac was on...but I can say while he sure as fukk had a big mouth and big ego, he wasn't "crazy" in the sense that he was stupid or having delusions. You look at the game and all these behind the scenes nikkas and you'll see exactly why he put himself on the cross on this final album cover...why he embraced martyrdom.

Would you call a Panther pointing out COINTELPRO agents a "snitch"? That's exactly what these "street nikkas" with no honor or code looked like to him and when you take a look at it from far back he was in the right to point these nikkas out...not to the cops, but to real muthafukkas that ain't wanna get indicted or extorted by these so called "real" nikkas that didn't even play by their own rules and regulations.

Now this doesn't excuse his behavior, nobody is perfect, Pac himself woulda told you that, but he was far from a fake nikka or a coward.

As for Biggie hating Pac after all that transpired, I can't blame him. In fact I can't blame him for not wanting to stand next to Pac either after he decided to stand up to real gangstas in his backyard. Nor can I blame Pac for being upset that the same degree of loyalty that he would have given wasn't returned. Had the shoe been on the other foot, Pac woulda rode for Biggie, to his own detriment, believe that.

They both had legit reasons to feel like they felt at whatever time, I'm fine with that, I made peace with that and I miss BOTH them nikkas as a fan.

But you can't expect him to be all somber when Pac was coming at him so viciously, but I do think their situation could have been worked out if it weren't for Puff and Suge dragging them into their personal bullshyt.

 

[spliz]

What nikkas don't seem to understand when looking at the situation is that Pac was raised by Panthers. I've touched on this before.

His apparent naivete about how street nikkas moved wasn't because he was a choir boy or was soft, it was because while he was raised around the criminal element, he also saw these same people move with a code and do for their people in the process...he had a world view of the hood and of black people that pre-dated the complete dismantling of black unity and community.

This is what Thug Lyfe was about which most people gloss over...what he was really trying to do with that movement was bring Panther type codes and ethics to the streets so that the SOLDIERS out in the streets weren't fighting killing their own infantry. Yea it seems far fetched because anybody who grew up in the streets understands that after the Civil Rights movement there was no unity...but he saw what it was like BEFORE.

He wasn't soft, or dumb, he was idealistic. And when these street nikkas and AGENTS showed their hand, they killed Pac's ideals which is why he said it was dead. You can't ask somebody that hot headed to be docile, so once that somber, soul crushing reality wore off about implementing those Thug Lyfe structures and codes to the streets, his fire got directed elsewhere.

I can go in deeper, even to a spiritual level as to what Pac was on...but I can say while he sure as fukk had a big mouth and big ego, he wasn't "crazy" in the sense that he was stupid or having delusions. You look at the game and all these behind the scenes nikkas and you'll see exactly why he put himself on the cross on this final album cover...why he embraced martyrdom.

Would you call a Panther pointing out COINTELPRO agents a "snitch"? That's exactly what these "street nikkas" with no honor or code looked to him and when you take a look at it from far back he was in the right to point these nikkas out...not to the cops, but to real muthafukkas that ain't wanna get indicted or extorted by these so called "real" nikkas that didn't even play by their own rules and regulations.

Now this doesn't excuse his behavior, nobody is perfect, Pac himself woulda told you that, but he was far from a fake nikka or a coward.

As for Biggie hating Pac after all that transpired, I can't blame him. In fact I can't blame him for not wanting to stand next to Pac either after he decided to stand up to real gangstas in his backyard. Nor can I blame Pac either for being upset that the same degree of loyalty that he would have given wasn't returned. Had the shoes been switched Pac woulda rode for Biggie, to his own detriment, believe that.

They both had legit reasons to feel like they felt at whatever time, I'm fine with that, I made peace with that and I miss BOTH them nikkas as a fan.

But you can't expect him to be all somber when Pac was coming at him so viciously, but I do think their situation could have been worked out if it weren't for Puff and Suge dragging them into their personal bullshyt.

One of if not the best post in the thread. This is the type of shyt I was looking for when I made the thread. And this is how I feel damn near verbatim.

 

[Black_Panther_JS]

A guy doesn't like a recently deceased guy who right before he died cussed him out threatened to kill him, and claimed to fukk his wife on a song, and said his goal is to destroy his career. How shocking and unreasonable.

but in interviews he was acting sweet saying he loved Pac and what not, then when he dies records tracks filled with subliminals