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"And Nas was one of the most visible cats in the late 90's speakin' on material possessions, money, women, swag, weed, etc. He only changed his direction, to be the anti-Hov hero that people wanted him to be."

^^^^Um thats you mayne..:stopitslime:

Read the first sentence in the second paragraph.
 

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Read the first sentence in the second paragraph.

look, I dont really like debating Nas career. But just look at the fact that he's still out on a major and doing great music. Might not be the most popular, but it works. Im satisfied.

Its way too much disecting him. He doesnt appeal to the young listener for the most part. THATS TOTALLY FINE. The avg 18yr old was only 6 when Ether came out. Just keep that in mind.
 

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look, I dont really like debating Nas career. But just look at the fact that he's still out on a major and doing great music. Might not be the most popular, but it works. Im satisfied.

Its way too much disecting him. He doesnt appeal to the young listener for the most part. THATS TOTALLY FINE. The avg 18yr old was only 6 when Ether came out. Just keep that in mind.

Like I said, it's not about who he appeals to or him being popular.

If you were around when Illmatic dropped and remembered what people thought this cat was gonna be for Hip Hop, then you can see that he hasn't been that. Yes, he still has a career. That's great. But as an OG Nas fan, I can be honest enough to say that he hasn't made music on the level of greatness that we all thought he would.

I don't care if he sells records or not, or about what he speaks on. But the quality of his music has declined sharply since those first couple albums. It's almost like it's not the same dude. I remember the I Am bootleg dropping on the street way before the album did, and thinking it was better than anything that had dropped in years. I'm not gonna praise him just because he doesn't speak on hoes, money and cars. It's not gonna happen, but some people just want the old Nas back. The one that stood above other cats. I doubt I'm alone in just wanting Nas to be the Nas that couldn't be touched or seen.
 

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Like I said, it's not about who he appeals to or him being popular.

If you were around when Illmatic dropped and remembered what people thought this cat was gonna be for Hip Hop, then you can see that he hasn't been that. Yes, he still has a career. That's great. But as an OG Nas fan, I can be honest enough to say that he hasn't made music on the level of greatness that we all thought he would.

I don't care if he sells records or not, or about what he speaks on. But the quality of his music has declined sharply since those first couple albums. It's almost like it's not the same dude. I remember the I Am bootleg dropping on the street way before the album did, and thinking it was better than anything that had dropped in years. I'm not gonna praise him just because he doesn't speak on hoes, money and cars. It's not gonna happen, but some people just want the old Nas back. The one that stood above other cats. I doubt I'm alone in just wanting Nas to be the Nas that couldn't be touched or seen.

I disagree. and yeah I was old enough to remember when Illmatic dropped.

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Like I said, it's not about who he appeals to or him being popular.

If you were around when Illmatic dropped and remembered what people thought this cat was gonna be for Hip Hop, then you can see that he hasn't been that. Yes, he still has a career. That's great. But as an OG Nas fan, I can be honest enough to say that he hasn't made music on the level of greatness that we all thought he would.

I don't care if he sells records or not, or about what he speaks on. But the quality of his music has declined sharply since those first couple albums. It's almost like it's not the same dude. I remember the I Am bootleg dropping on the street way before the album did, and thinking it was better than anything that had dropped in years. I'm not gonna praise him just because he doesn't speak on hoes, money and cars. It's not gonna happen, but some people just want the old Nas back. The one that stood above other cats. I doubt I'm alone in just wanting Nas to be the Nas that couldn't be touched or seen.

I bought Illmatic when it dropped...this post is basically sayin...he didnt make the moves YOU wanted him to make...so ur salty...but this is it..he's him..ur not...period...ever since Nas got snubbed in 94...and got hated on in 96...he did wtf he wanted to do and never looked back...and that's why he's still being talked about till this day...
 

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I bought Illmatic when it dropped...this post is basically sayin...he didnt make the moves YOU wanted him to make...so ur salty...but this is it..he's him..ur not...period...ever since Nas got snubbed in 94...and got hated on in 96...he did wtf he wanted to do and never looked back...and that's why he's still being talked about till this day...

You're absolutely right. I am salty, because I think he's mediocre now. And I thought I'd be diggin' this cat's music as long as he was droppin' music to listen to.
 
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In all honesty, Nas isn't really pushing the envelope at all. What he's doing now, with speaking about his personal life, has been done many times before. And Nas was one of the most visible cats in the late 90's speakin' on material possessions, money, women, swag, weed, etc. He only changed his direction, to be the anti-Hov hero that people wanted him to be. Before that "beef" he spoke more about those things than most rappers did.

The problem with Nas, is not that he's not speaking about what other people are. It's the fact that he's not makin' music on the level that people expect from a Nas. No one cares about topics, people wanted Nas to be Nas! And no one likes to speak on it, but dude has seriously fallen short of who he was supposed to be. There will never be another Illmatic, this is true. But you can't drop that level of greatness, and just coast for the rest of your career. That's what he's done. He hasn't even gotten close to that level again. That's the problem with Nas, not his subject matter.



The bolded is actually what's very wrong with most criticism's of Nas, and its not very inciteful nor is it true.


No One Cares about Topics

Yes, yes people very much do. Your telling me that the 500,000 plus people who Hip Hop Is Dead and Untitled didn't "care" about the album's theme and topics? That's an EXTREMELY short sighted and narrow perspective of Hip Hop fandom, and it is honestly one of the attitudes that continually plagues Hip Hop as a culture. If Nas wasn't releasing these albums with ambitious and thought provoking subject matter, then WHO in the mainstream would? Jay- Z busy flossing, Drake is busy Simping, Lil Wayne is busy being a Martian and Rick Ross is basically a Hip Hop cartoon. Untitled was one of the most poignant and thought out mainstream albums to be released in the last decade, with lyricism touching upon everything from the Black experience to the way black rappers are creatively handcuffed by the labels. Nas is and has ALWAYS been a "Topics" type of rapper, from One Love to Bye Baby, Nas is and has always been the premier artist who can take a topic and give it a unique lyrical perspective.


People Wanted Nas To Be Nas

Again, Nas is who HE wants to be, not who "we" dictate him to be. Do any of us know Nas personally? Have we walked in his shoes? Looked out the project window through his eyes? Have we been at the studio lab writing with him? No, NONE of us actually know who Nas is beyond his lyrics when he speaks about himself, and the one thing Nas has ALWAYS stated from the beginning is that he does what he feels. If you want Nas to BE Nas then you would appreciate his growth as an MC whose been in the mainstream for longer than ANYONE of his peers. You would appreciate Untitled as much as you would Illmatic because lyrically, Nas has NEVER fallen off. Nas chooses his producers, the direction of his albums, his singles, and his videos. Nas is exactly who he wants to be and if you think that the 20 year old Nas from 1994 is the and always has been the same as the Nas from 2013 then your a trapped a 90's nikka


And No One Likes to Speak On It, but Nas has seriously fallen short of what he was supposed to be

And what exactly was Nas SUPPOSED to be? The second Rakim? An artist who hasn't been relevant passed 1997? The second Kool G.Rap? The next artist who failed to evolve his subject, sound or style and fell by the wayside because people wanted Illmatic parts 2-10? Who the hell are any of us to tell the man whose went platinum SEVEN straight times from 1994 to 2004, Gold Twice from 06-08, and is just coming off one of the most critically acclaimed Hip Hop albums of last year, that he fell short of what he was "supposed" to be:rudy: That doesn't make any sense.



There will never be another Illmatic, this is true. But you can't drop that level of greatness, and just coast for the rest of your career

Again, using history as our guide, this makes no sense. There is absolutely NO WAY that one can "coast" for twenty years in Hip Hop and have the level of respect and success that Nas has attained, it simply isn't possible. If you want to call Nas's discography coasting then I'm sorry to say, but your either trolling or your ears are infected. I'm the first to say that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is ludicrous beyond comprehension.


Again all of you "I want Nas on Premo beats!" " I want Nas to give me that Boom Bap!" "I want I want I want!" Aren't looking at the full picture. Nas has been successful DESPITE the constant whining for him to turn back the clock to when he was a struggling teenager from QueensBridge. Don't any of you understand the truth and poignancy of "Always FORWARD I'm moving, never looking back so here's another classic". As an artist you can NEVER go backwards, for that is admitting that you have nothing to contribute to NOW. Think about if Nas was rocking over Pete Rock beats in 06 instead of dropping HHID. Souljah Boy, Dem Franchise Boys, and the ignorance of the c00ning era wouldn't have had ANYBODY to cal them out on their bullshyt. If Nas was rapping about the projects and Jerome's niece in 08 then who would have been speaking on the experiences of Black America right before the historic election? The entire summer would've been about Autotune crooning about licking lollipops :huhldup: . Nas is EXACTLY what is needed in Hip Hop, an artist who places his art FIRST. And Hip Hop would do well to appreciate him for it.....


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The article itself is actually almost comically bad when it comes to making its point regarding Nas "falling off"



"But in 2003, those calls began to dwindle, and I understood why: Just before Christmas of 2002, Nas issued God's Son. Himieh had begun to disregard Nas' new material as a bunch of street-poet rigmarole, lacking authentic New York street swing."

First off, you chose GOD'S SON as the example of Nas losing his New York influenced sound and luster? The album that included muthafukking MADE YOU LOOK as the first single? The single that brought back to the forefront the Bom Bap era sound of early New York with the Apache sample?

Book Of Rhymes is street Poet Rigamarole? Get Down "lacks" authentic New York Swing? WTF??!!?!:why:



"In the end, Jay-Z won that war: Hip Hop Is Dead surrounded Nas with an A-list of rap celebrities, including will.i.am, The Game and Snoop Dogg. He felt comfortable as one of them, not something better. This wasn't the brainy, brawny emcee that Himieh and I had worshiped."


Carry On Tradition, Still Dreaming, Let There Be Light, and Hope weren't lyrically exceptional and " brawny" enough joints? Where Are They Now wasn't the type of James Brown sampling, ode to Hip Hop's forefathers, New York inspired, Boom Bap flavored joint that apparently the author has been wishing for? Who Killed It wasn't conceptually "Brainy" enough? How exactly is working with a fellow legend like Snoop Dogg (and getting him to actually spit some fire) not showcasing that he's something "better"? Since when was getting beats from Will I Am (who gave him some of the albums best production) a bad thing? What exactly is the point of bringing up Jay-Z and how did Jay-Z "win" the war when he stated clearly that one could never SIGN Nas, that he had to PARTNER with him? WHAT EXACTLY are you saying here?:why:



"Last year's Life Is Good teased with the brilliant flashes of the emcee Himieh and I used to worship, especially on "Locomotive" and "Nasty."

The MC you "USED" to worship was a 21 year old kid from the projects who had a cloud so dark over his head from his hopeless upbringing that he couldn't even grasp the concept of tomorrow. The MC we all hear now is a 40 year old father, ex-husband, and music veteran who has traveled the world, sold 20 million records worldwide, and has experienced a lifetime of pain, anger, love, hope, and joy. Wake up to TODAY you trapped in the 90's nikka:wtb:



"But it was too little too late, or so I reckoned as Nas simply sat in his chair while Drake climbed the stage to accept the Grammy for Best Rap Album for Take Care. Nas lost in three other categories, too. There was a time when the hip-hop world seemed to be his, but this was the 13th time he'd been nominated for a Grammy and not walked away with a gold trophy. It could have been different. For a time, it was."

What exactly was Nas supposed to do? Rush the stage and beat the living shyt out of Drake for winning? Nas is a grown ass man, a Grammy doesn't mean shyt for his legacy. I wrote an article myself of the Grammy's history of disrespect for Hip Hop as a genre, if anything, Nas being snubbed 13 times for a Grammy is an inditement of the Grammy's failure to recognize Hip Hop for the creative and progressive genre it is rather a failure of Nas as an artist.

http://www.thecoli.com/2013/02/the-miseducation-of-hip-hops-mainstream/


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The bolded is actually what's very wrong with most criticism's of Nas, and its not very inciteful nor is it true.

Nas is EXACTLY what is needed in Hip Hop, an artist who places his art FIRST. And Hip Hop would do well to appreciate him for it.....

I appreciate you writing all that you did.

But the problem is, whenever someone defends Nas they speak on what he isn't doing, that others are. The issue is, other people aren't the problem, for OG Nas fans. Nas is definitely NOT who he even said he was. And that's my point. Who is Nas? At one point, I could tell you. The Nas I knew said he'd never pitch alcohol which he saw as "poison" to his people. But now, because he has tax issues, he's signed on to promote Hennessy. This is the point. Nas isn't more "artful" than any other artist. We really have to stop mythicizing this cat.

He's just a regular dude. No one said he had to rap exclusively over Premo beats, or film all his videos in Queensbridge, or make another Illmatic. But as a fan of dude's since '91, I think anyone else who is, is entitled to say that dude's music has declined since '98. As a fan who's followed dude's career from the very beginning, and was coppin' those albums even back then, I think it's normal to express how you feel about the music. And that conversation can take place without comparing him to other artists or what they speak on.

Basically, OG Nas fans are used to listening to dude's albums from front to back. He hasn't released that kind of material, in my opinion, since the late 90's. So there's nothing wrong with being honest about how you feel about certain music. So "Nas being Nas" means "consistent". And the homie hasn't been consistent in well over a decade.
 

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I appreciate you writing all that you did.

But the problem is, whenever someone defends Nas they speak on what he isn't doing, that others are. The issue is, other people aren't the problem, for OG Nas fans. Nas is definitely NOT who he even said he was. And that's my point. Who is Nas? At one point, I could tell you. The Nas I knew said he'd never pitch alcohol which he saw as "poison" to his people. But now, because he has tax issues, he's signed on to promote Hennessy. This is the point. Nas isn't more "artful" than any other artist. We really have to stop mythicizing this cat.

He's just a regular dude. No one said he had to rap exclusively over Premo beats, or film all his videos in Queensbridge, or make another Illmatic. But as a fan of dude's since '91, I think anyone else who is, is entitled to say that dude's music has declined since '98. As a fan who's followed dude's career from the very beginning, and was coppin' those albums even back then, I think it's normal to express how you feel about the music. And that conversation can take place without comparing him to other artists or what they speak on.

Basically, OG Nas fans are used to listening to dude's albums from front to back. He hasn't released that kind of material, in my opinion, since the late 90's. So there's nothing wrong with being honest about how you feel about certain music. So "Nas being Nas" means "consistent". And the homie hasn't been consistent in well over a decade.

I would consider myself an OG Nas fan...and guess what?..nikkas been bytchin since his 2nd album...
 

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are u serious?..."backpackers" was callin him a sell out...mad that it wasn't like Illmatic...etc etc...this nikka has literally dealin wit fan bullshyt since his 2nd album..nikkas been complainin since the beginning...

I was the biggest backpacker in the world when that dropped, and I dug the album. I still liked Illmatic better, but being in NY during that time and being so heavily involved in its underground radio community, I didn't hear a lot of people hatin' on that album at all. "The Message", "Street Dreams" and "I Gave You Power" were staples on underground radio.

Dude earlier in this thread said he thought this was Nas' best album. And after years of being on SOHH, most people pretty much repeat the same. Away from the web talk, the dude did double platinum on this one in two months, and it wasn't like he wasn't spittin' on there. So it may have surprised some folks, but people supported the shyt outta IWW.
 

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I was the biggest backpacker in the world when that dropped, and I dug the album. I still liked Illmatic better, but being in NY during that time and being so heavily involved in its underground radio community, I didn't hear a lot of people hatin' on that album at all. "The Message", "Street Dreams" and "I Gave You Power" were staples on underground radio.

Dude earlier in this thread said he thought this was Nas' best album. And after years of being on SOHH, most people pretty much repeat the same. Away from the web talk, the dude did double platinum on this one in two months, and it wasn't like he wasn't spittin' on there. So it may have surprised some folks, but people supported the shyt outta IWW.

son..I LOVE that album...but ive had so many arguments with fans of Illmatic about that shyt it's ridiculous...I can't believe u never experienced this...on the streets..the album got mad love around my way...but as far as the so called "real hip hop" crowd...alot of them shytted on it...
 
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