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Piff Perkins

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Real reason they fell off a cliff is bob Quinn. Don’t matter if Caldwell was the coach or Patricia cause Quinn drafts and free agents was terrible. Martin Mayhew had some talent on the roster.
At the time I remember thinking Quinn was sabotaging Caldwell via the draft. We went into Quinn’s first draft with a clear need at RB, and Quinn completely ignored it. But when you look at later drafts after Caldwell’s firing you realize Quinn was just terrible at his job and constantly left holes in the roster wide open.
 
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Guy really said that the coach who has had the most dominant stretch in CFB history & one of the most in sports history is “tricky” :heh:. Like Georgia & Texas don’t get good recruits all the time yet have 1 combined title in the past 25 years.


It's a reason why Alabama has 17 titles between 5 coaches or what not..
 

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They were. Probably not at the volume Saban gets them, but they were coming.

bruh before Saban got there, Bama was ass and didn’t have success after they won that title in the early 90s, and they were coming off probation.,

LSU had been in the gutter since the 50s before Saban got there in the early 2000s and started bringing in top recruits.

LSU & Bama owe Saban for bringing their programs off life support.
 
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bruh before Saban got there, Bama was ass and didn’t have success after they won that title in the early 90s, and they were coming off probation.,

LSU had been in the gutter since the 50s before Saban got there in the early 2000s and started bringing in top recruits.

LSU & Bama owe Saban for bringing their programs off life support.

They weren't on life support though.... They just weren't playing for championships every 3 years.. Matter of fact, Saban won his first Bama chip with Shula's players......
 
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they won most of those titles while CFB was still segregated in the from the 1920s-1960s.

they won a few in the 70s, and lucked up and won one in 92.

Saban turned them into the monster they are today

All NCAAF championships are paper championships.... Bama still won some SEC championships I think before Saban's arrival...... the fact that that the only other program that comes close to the number of chips under the same circumstances .is a storied Notre Dame program says it all...

Saban and Bama are a match made in heaven..... Like Spurrier said, any good coach can win at Bama(paraphrasing)
 

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I wouldn't call Meyhew a good GM. He was terrible with cap space and constantly missed on later round draft picks. That being said, he hit on enough picks to make a difference between being ok and being terrible - the issue is we didn't hit enough to built DEPTH. Of course his biggest fault is the pick he did not make: Aaron Donald. He might still be GM, and Caldwell still the coach, if he had made that obvious pick instead of reaching on Eric Ebron.

One thing Quinn was really really good at was managing cap space. Of course though, it's easy to manage cap space when you spend most of your time cycling in/out mediocre-to-below average roll players at the bottom of the roster. Being good at managing cap space also frees up a lot of money you can waste...which is what he did by over paying a bunch of Patriots castoffs over the years. So even the one thing he was good at turned out to not be a good thing in the long run.
 
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