Living wage advocates, how are restaruant owners supposed to deal with being squeezed like this?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this is a very hifalutin concept that I am having trouble wrapping my mind around
so you mean to say that a society should be concerned with its welfare
that just might work enough to be crazy

If you're on the bottom of a wage scale what lifestyle are you entitled to?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why does the guy who throws garbage cans into the back of the truck make a livable wage while the guy taking your order at a fast food restaurant can't even afford to eat there?

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No one wants to do it. Aka cops.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No whats stupid is acknowledgin that yes, 7.25 is a cruel and inhuman wage, yet your solution being lets leave it there and not raise it, and instead focus on preventing people from falling into minimum wage jobs

I believe @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! supports a $10 increase but you all are acting like MW is meant to free everyone of financial hardship to the point where no market can bare it. You have to account for every type of business not just your go to corporate big names.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I have never said $7.25 is a cruel and inhuman wage You can own a home down here on that kind of income.

And yes, getting as many people off and as far above MW as possible is a much better idea than raising MW. Raising MW does jack shyt to ensure those people's job security and general level of empowerment. Having a job that isn't an economic condition away from automation or outsourcing is a big source of economic security which goes a long way.

I wish people would read this and embrace it.

In a lot of fly over states MW is a very comfortable living.

FEDERAL MW doesn't mean you all living in NYC or LA get to pretend the rest of the country doesn't exist. Thus why state and city increases often take place.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Quoted for truth.


One thing I don't understand about these people is that they prophesy all this doom and gloom if we actually have decent wages...while ignoring that MOST wealthy countries in the world have far higher low-end wages than we do.and yet the poor in those countries are far better off than ours are...so it's obviously possible.

Hell, our OWN minimum wage was twice as high (relative to prices) fifty years ago as it is today. The whole Reagan revolution and the 30 years that have followed fukked this country over economically, and uneducated morons are too short-sighted to imagine there's any other way.

These other nations have lower purchasing power when adjusted for parity. This was already debunked pages ago.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dudes really expect savings and spending money on MW?!

 

[tmonster]

If you're on the bottom of a wage scale what lifestyle are you entitled to?

what we think the bottom of society should be
think about what that automatically means if we decide that the bottom should be a guarantee of good healthcare, a clean and safe neighborhood, good libraries and parks, a great education, 8 hrs of leisure/day, 8 hours of sleep/day, and a modicum of savings
think about what that implies about the rest of society, it means we will all have that
it means a more dignified existence for everyone
a more safe existence for everyone and a more stable existence for the society because everyone is invested in seeing this kind of society work.

Now will we achieve this? possibly
but whether we can or not is irrelevant
this should always be the star we reach for
This is the ethos that will always guide us in the right direction
there is no one watching over us, but us
there is no sky daddy, not even "the market" is watching over
we make all the rules
if we decide society can be good and kind
then it will be
we will put our ingenuity to this task
that is the potential of man

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Hahahaha okay you can own a home on 7.25 an hour okay

You got it chico, this is your thread now

This public housing. There are options. No one said doing the absolute least was going to be easy. No matter the MW

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

" you can own a house on the lowest possible full time income in America" - you

Am I supposed to entertain that with my hard earned opinions?

Figure it out.

At no point will anyone ever truly live a life of comfort by doing the least.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You keep projecting convenient arguments onto me because you can't counter what I'm actually saying.

Show me where I said the govt can only do one thing at a time (when I had a whole laundry list of things I wanted the govt to do). Show me where I said poor people are "poor money managers" or "lazy and immoral". Are you talking to me or some idea of what you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is?

How will raising MW get poor people out of easily automatable/outsourceable dead end jobs? How will raising MW make housing, job training, higher education or healthcare more affordable, when the people making the wages you want to raise it to can't afford those things? Can you point to what MW would actually fix without hiding behind emotional canards? Why do we have to address MW first when there are so many other bigger problems poor people face, that raising MW won't fix?

No, you are not a free marketeer. Labor is a market. The very presence of a price floor (MW) != free market. Note, I am not even against MW, nor am I even a free marketeer myself (I can't be if I am for MW and having the govt address all the problems with higher education, housing, etc). I agree that business has too much power at the moment, and I also agree that the govt should intervene in favor of workers. You on the other hand are trying to masquerade as a free marketeer to lend yourself an air of credibility and objectivity while you try and shove old school left wing redistributionism down everyone's throats. You can @ me and use all the smilies, shame tactics and logical fallacies you want... I'm not going for it. My questions are pretty simple, can you answer them?

My.

God.

 

[tmonster]

What's a living wage?

this is weird
for the economic pontification in this thread
people quoting gdp's, purchasing power
all of a sudden this metric is baffling and terra incognita, as if google does not exist
I have genuinely enjoyed watching you guys play with that one

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

To pretend like an increase in minimum wage would somehow topple or destroy the country is equally as dishonest.

Profits in this country have been over inflated and done so on the backs of the workers, there really is no denying this. Profits to both shareholders, owners and management. An increase in minimum wage seeks to remedy this wrong doing...admittedly there's a very likely possibility that those who have been benefiting THE MOST from this wrong will buck the most as they have the most to lose. This matter is at the core of the wealth gap debate is it is the easiest way for the 1% to actually trickle that money down to the workers.

Destroy? No

But people pretend that MW only applies to big cities on the coasts.

There are fly over states where $10 is enough. Seattle, LA, and NYC has to even experiment with $15 because they know $10 is crazy. But good thing the rest of the country doesn't have to abide by that because their literally can't.

Irresponsible wage increases apply to a loud but ultimately small segment of the population and is just a constant go to escape argument that doesn't affect anyone in middle income brackets. The bottom exists for a reason.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

OK, well ensuring that everyone has food, shelter and heat (which I am 110% OK with) is far from "free market". So stop calling yourself a free market advocate, you are clearly not about that life.

I think it's silly for a country as rich and resourceful for the US to have anyone homeless or starving. I also think it's silly for our labor force to be so underutilized that about a quarter of the working population is either at or very close to earning MW. Raising MW doesn't solve either of those issues.

This also raises the uncomfortable but real point that Americas poor are in the worlds 1%.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Still no solution for the middle class in here.

None

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Blindly giving people more money is not a recipe for success. Until you address the underlying causes a pay bump does nothing like dude said.

Remember that stimulus package a few years back. That was supposed to get some people out of the basement. How'd that work out? Most people spent that windfall before they even got the check. But apparently a pay bump will change their mindsets and make them financially literate and responsible. Okk.

This raises attention to the notion that some people are more responsible for the condition than they want to admit so it's easier to blame EVERYTHING on some large amorphous entity