LL Cool J vs. KRS-One

[The Ruler 09]

KRS all day.

 

[FreshAIG]

exactly. i think people get so caught up in krs beating his chest about how hip-hop he is, that they automatically run with the idea of him being an elite lyricist.

i guess we didnt get the memo?

krs cant spit anything like this:




so youre basically saying that krs is better simply because you like what he raps about more than cool j.

again, this is why its worthless to make such a thread on the internet.

and since when is andre on LL & KRS level??

You're not very familiar with KRS catalog if you don't realize he has WAAAAAAY verses lyrically than that Rampage verse

As I said many times, KRS can be very simple at times, but he also has times where he can dumb out lyrically, and he can reach a level lyrically that LL has never reached.

 

[killa the goat]

You're not very familiar with KRS catalog if you don't realize he has WAAAAAAY verses lyrically than that Rampage verse

As I said many times, KRS can be very simple at times, but he also has times where he can dumb out lyrically, and he can reach a level lyrically that LL has never reached.

how so ?

 

[FreshAIG]

horrible analogy. 50 cent isnt in the convo with the other 3

secondly while I would take KRS I dont see how LL isnt easily better lyrically. Name a KRS song as lyrical as Murdergram or at least half the songs on WWAP

I can name a gang of KRS-One songs more lyrical than Murdergram

Poetry
My Philosophy
Criminal Minded (Especially the last verse)
Edutainment
Build And Destroy

Etc...and let's not get into the fact that they both dropped albums in 1995 and KRS-One self titled album blows Mr. Smith out of the water (Even though I fukks with the Mr. Smith album) lyrically..

 

[FreshAIG]

If by lyrical you mean the amount of rhymes, then Murdergram isn't very lyrical at all.

The big showdown the display is skill
I'm the type of Picasso witcha girl on the pill
Take a family snap shot kiss ya wife
Cause I'm like a knife, the concrete is right
And I'll take ya life and take ya like python
I'ma do you wrong
Any emcee who you wanna name?
I want pain that I can be tamed
Talkin about guns punk it don't alarm me
Got enough cash to make a whole damn army
I can't hold back the way that I feel
Cause when I bust a rhyme it's like ya slippin off banana peels
Ya like fruit cake ya fruit cocktails
First your title now I'm takin your female
All of a sudden you're so proud of a black
A baseball hat but you ain't sayin jack
The ripper is back and you can't escape
Cause one of my records will sell more than your whole tape
I want beef so bring on the rookies
I got more than just Cool J cookies
Rip Rock, crush, stop, cop, I'm poison come and take a drop
I bet ya teeth will end up around the corner kid
Don't ask me why I did it
I'm civilized damage to a nobody
And I'm carrying a gun if I'm rhyming at the party
New York, Chicago, Detroit, LA
I'll slay wherever ya play
D.C. or Philly, or Baltimore
I'm worrying the rich, invading the poor
Perpetrating in your video, here's the real smoothing
Country accents, who do you think you're foolin?
I play "crushable", "late night craps"
You only knew cause ya onto your raps
And rap city and V.E.T.
The channel 31 and but now here I come
To save the day and the now you're getting done
Like a hooker, don't try to soul, crumb
The first sign of the battle you little fake
It's (???) comin out ya kitchen sink
Your Mic's a baby bottle son
Some say they ain't but I am the one
The slice is that the fire boy it'll break ya
servin or heard em a word occurred to him
then he could move a would get moved on
Like a shotgun blast big mouth emcees I'll bet ya none last
cause they ain't sable or able
And I bruise the party like jumper cables
So plug me in and put me on
I'm serial hard so I can battle amore
from coast to coast fly, cripple, and crazy
Use a dictionary but you still don't phase me
Listen ansd we can sound cheap
Reach out for my blackness but your records ain't wack this
Your bitin on the castle door but when you fall in the moat
I won't see ya no more
Let's get together and diss LL
Use his name and ya records might sell
I can't believe you found a dead maggots
crawlin all over my name I won't have that
You better look in the mirror and re-think your plan
Why walk in quicksand?
When you can stand on your own two feet
I'm rippin emcees a funky drum with a big beat
Name the date and a or Rainer
Ya three year old ballerina
I can't believe the suckers try to throw-down
Whether you're new or older than old town
Just kick back I don't like a ?stagger wagger? psycho rap
You can't handle the format
Whether you're swab or swoon
Ruff or rugged all I need is a broom
If I slay the way they slay, punk play the pay
Mr. Morris has entered the buffet
Some of y'all are sittin in rows
Plates of hot butter rolls, beat ya with balamey
Slap ya with salami cause when I get hot I get hot like pastrami
Then I make ya wonder why you don't hear bass
But you feel the thunder
You get cooked I'll knock out your tooth
We'll be fighting from lobby to the roof
You are on me like I wrote your dinnertime
Yo Marley (Whassup?) spill the time
(Nah man, just kick a little warmth)
Pass the brass knuckles then we break his jaw
When I'm on the microphone I want silence
Let KRS-One stop the violence
Ain't no rivals ain't no competition
Punk, I'm beatin ya into submission
I'm gettin busier than ever before
Never more will I'll slack I'ma keep it real raw
Eat ya up like a pack-jam
Video is poppin over a Batman
Rippin you to shreds, tappin you on the head
Then leave the battle lookin as happy as a newly wed
Give me a tech-nine to spray
Save the peep and put it on law-away
I'll make a mailman spin and send a jam the fans will understand
Feel ya weep about the murdergram

Lyrics aren't all correct 'cause I just copied and pasted, but you can see that there's not a whole bunch of multi's in there. Mostly just simple rhymes. How is it more lyrical than any random KRS song?

Murdergram is extremely overrated as are most verses that have length (pause). People point to it because LL's verse on it was long (pause), but nikkas can't point out many stand out lines in it.

 

[Wacky D]

it's not the only reason, but it's definitely a contributing factor. content matters

its not a factor.

its just different interests.

some people would say LL has better content.

You're not very familiar with KRS catalog if you don't realize he has WAAAAAAY verses lyrically than that Rampage verse
As I said many times, KRS can be very simple at times, but he also has times where he can dumb out lyrically, and he can reach a level lyrically that LL has never reached.

I can name a gang of KRS-One songs more lyrical than Murdergram
Poetry
My Philosophy
Criminal Minded (Especially the last verse)
Edutainment
Build And Destroy
Etc...and let's not get into the fact that they both dropped albums in 1995 and KRS-One self titled album blows Mr. Smith out of the water (Even though I fukks with the Mr. Smith album) lyrically..

none of this stuf jumps out as mind-blowing lyricism.

LL All Day.

 

[NormanConnors]

The Blast Master via 1st rd KO.

LL couldn't even handle Moe Dee

Moe Dee vs KRS Would be the better matchup

 

[NormanConnors]

Neither was anywhere closed to Ra in 87.

 

[NormanConnors]

rakim will rap circles around nas especially the 18th letter rakim

Folks don't understand how much of a beast Ra was on that album, every verse was rediculous with the rhyming, I'm talking schemes, vocab, science, storytelling, all wrapped in a technical flow.

 

[killa the goat]

The Blast Master via 1st rd KO.

LL couldn't even handle Moe Dee

Moe Dee vs KRS Would be the better matchup

ll cool j bruned moe de now ll cool j vs krs-one would be close but i give the nod to krs-one

 

[killa the goat]

Folks don't understand how much of a beast Ra was on that album, every verse was rediculous with the rhyming, I'm talking schemes, vocab, science, storytelling, all wrapped in a technical flow.

what u know about rhyme schemes ?

 

[NormanConnors]

ll cool j bruned moe de now ll cool j vs krs-one would be close but i give the nod to krs-one

i could see that side of it, depends on what you would favor in a battle. to me moe dee had his foot on L's neck lyrically. I'd give L the nod on the production aspect of the battle, that along with his delivery made him come off doper than what he was imo.

I've been in enough discussions over the years not to argue that too tough though lol, I always come across folks feeling either way. I feel ya

 

[NormanConnors]

what u thknow about rhyme schemes ?

enough to know Ra was the most technical emcee that year, only thing close album wise was Wu-Tangs double disk

 

[killa the goat]

enough to know Ra was the most technical emcee that year, only thing close album wise was Wu-Tangs double disk

jay-z in my lifetime vol.1 was pretty close along with cnn war report.

 

[NormanConnors]

jay-z in my lifetime vol.1 was pretty close along with cnn war report.

Jigga is a solid argument, but no way capone, nore and tragedy are in the same league as Ra. War Report is damn near classic, but that album was carried more so by the production and okay rhyming. T.ON.Y though