There's a difference between critiquing and just spending multiple episodes of a podcast shytting on a person and being a dikkhead anytime they are mentioned in any way. If you don't like the artist or the music, give that valid critique and keep it pushing. That "Logic is the worst rapper ever" shyt and going back the next week to double down is just being a dikkhead. And I'm a fan of the podcast, but that don't mean Im siding with Joe. I always fast-forward the Logic talk because 1. I have 0 interest in Logic, and 2. it's rarely constructive critique.
Logic To Joe Budden: "He's A Person Who's Harsh Words Led To My Depression''
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There's a difference between critiquing and just spending multiple episodes of a podcast shytting on a person and being a dikkhead anytime they are mentioned in any way. If you don't like the artist or the music, give that valid critique and keep it pushing. That "Logic is the worst rapper ever" shyt and going back the next week to double down is just being a dikkhead. And I'm a fan of the podcast, but that don't mean Im siding with Joe. I always fast-forward the Logic talk because 1. I have 0 interest in Logic, and 2. it's rarely constructive critique.
Hyperion
Superstar
I agree. On one hand, sure, you can say "Logic is being a p*ssy and he needs to shut the fukk up." However, that's just disregarding the situation because it's someone they don't personally like, and it adds nothing to the conversation. Let's be real. And on the other hand... You can't expect everyone to respond to everything the same way as you, because we all have different upbringings and different crosses we have to bear. Logic is someone who's wanted to be accepted in this culture for so long, so it's no surprise to see Joe's words leaving an effect on him. nikkas keep saying "You wouldn't have survived in the 90s" as if the 90s didn't have rappers killing each other regularly instead of civil discourse. Obviously, it's way more complicated than just having a simple sit-down in those days, but you get the idea. We lost TWO GOATs that still transcend this culture to this day because of how shyt went down back then, so while the statement might be true... We've also progressed past that for a reason.
People want the license to say whatever it is they want and then act surprised when consequences occur. We can't be talking about advocating for mental health in Hip Hop, but then go and say "fukk Logic because he's being soft", that's exactly what ends up causing issues in the first place. Am I saying "walk on eggshells and never share your opinion"? Never that, but Logic has equally as much right to share his opinion as Joe does. How many rappers have we lost recently due to drug overdose because of them wanting to numb the pain of depression? How many rappers suffer in silence because they feel if they speak out about how they feel, they'll get ridiculed like how Logic is being ridiculed right now? And how do we know Logic isn't being sincere about his depression? It shouldn't have to take him attempting his life for people to take it seriously.
Optimally? Logic should've taken what Joe threw at him and had the attitude of "fukk you, I'll show you I belong in this culture by putting out the best music I've ever made... And win the accolades you could never achieve.
" After all, that's the typical rapper response. And, that's essentially the energy Eminem has for Budden and Lord Jamar. But if Logic's mind wasn't right and lacked the heart to go down that path, there's not much that can be done. While "Peace Love Positivity" is a great mantra to go by, there's times when you have to show people not to fukk with you, because they will absolutely try you. Joyner crossed multiple boundaries with him and he didn't really respond. Even Drake had to body Meek, and Drake coined the whole "diss me, you'll never hear me reply for it" thing. His mantra made him look passive, and that's why people keep trying him.Regardless though, these are words from a man who's felt frustrated enough to retire. Time and again, rappers and singers alike have said how cutthroat the industry is, so it's better he walks out on his terms instead of leaving because he can't chart anymore.
Westbama Heartthrob
Irregular Zero
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
I agree. On one hand, sure, you can say "Logic is being a p*ssy and he needs to shut the fukk up." However, that's just disregarding the situation because it's someone they don't personally like, and it adds nothing to the conversation. Let's be real. And on the other hand... You can't expect everyone to respond to everything the same way as you, because we all have different upbringings and different crosses we have to bear. Logic is someone who's wanted to be accepted in this culture for so long, so it's no surprise to see Joe's words leaving an effect on him. nikkas keep saying "You wouldn't have survived in the 90s" as if the 90s didn't have rappers killing each other regularly instead of civil discourse. Obviously, it's way more complicated than just having a simple sit-down in those days, but you get the idea. We lost TWO GOATs that still transcend this culture to this day because of how shyt went down back then, so while the statement might be true... We've also progressed past that for a reason.
People want the license to say whatever it is they want and then act surprised when consequences occur. We can't be talking about advocating for mental health in Hip Hop, but then go and say "fukk Logic because he's being soft", that's exactly what ends up causing issues in the first place. Am I saying "walk on eggshells and never share your opinion"? Never that, but Logic has equally as much right to share his opinion as Joe does. How many rappers have we lost recently due to drug overdose because of them wanting to numb the pain of depression? How many rappers suffer in silence because they feel if they speak out about how they feel, they'll get ridiculed like how Logic is being ridiculed right now? And how do we know Logic isn't being sincere about his depression? It shouldn't have to take him attempting his life for people to take it seriously.
Optimally? Logic should've taken what Joe threw at him and had the attitude of "fukk you, I'll show you I belong in this culture by putting out the best music I've ever made... And win the accolades you could never achieve.
Regardless though, these are words from a man who's felt frustrated enough to retire. Time and again, rappers and singers alike have said how cutthroat the industry is, so it's better he walks out on his terms instead of leaving because he can't chart anymore.
Nah fukk that
This is soft ass shyt
We can't tell people they suck now?
You talking about a genre of music where most ppl came up from the gutter
Now because it's been gentrification nikkas gotta talk nice
NO!
If nikkas did it more, a lot of corny shyt would have been out of here
Westbama Heartthrob
Irregular Zero
Imagine if everybody one the coli made threads shytting on you day in and day out. After a certain point you'd get tired of that wouldn't you think. I personally don't see how I'd benefit from spamming insults at someone, but maybe it makes some of you feel better about yourselvesNah fukk that
This is soft ass shyt
We can't tell people they suck now?
You talking about a genre of music where most ppl came up from the gutter
Now because it's been gentrification nikkas gotta talk nice
NO!
If nikkas did it more, a lot of corny shyt would have been out of here
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Imagine if everybody one the coli made threads shytting on you day in and day out. After a certain point you'd get tired of that wouldn't you think. I personally don't see how I'd benefit from spamming insults at someone, but maybe it makes some of you feel better about yourselves
If I was rich and could afford drugs and the finest of bytches, I wouldn't give a fukk
Westbama Heartthrob
Irregular Zero
JayStarwind
Superstar
Well of course you can tell people they suck. If it's unprovoked, it'd make you look like a weirdo though. Most people come from the gutter and may have the same issues that Logic has. Because they hide their's better doesn't mean that you should shyt on or look down on the few that don't. What does that accomplish?Nah fukk that
This is soft ass shyt
We can't tell people they suck now?
You talking about a genre of music where most ppl came up from the gutter
Now because it's been gentrification nikkas gotta talk nice
NO!
If nikkas did it more, a lot of corny shyt would have been out of here
Hyperion
Superstar
Nah fukk that
This is soft ass shyt
We can't tell people they suck now?
You talking about a genre of music where most ppl came up from the gutter
Now because it's been gentrification nikkas gotta talk nice
NO!
If nikkas did it more, a lot of corny shyt would have been out of here
No, I'm saying you CAN tell people they suck. What I'm saying is that they also have the right to say how they feel about your opinion in response, which is what Logic is doing. Telling people that they suck isn't necessarily what'll get them outta here either, the internet essentially got rid of the gatekeepers that once decided what stayed and what didn't. Hence the reason why 6ix9ne is still out here trolling when he was supposed to be "done" in Hip Hop after snitching.
Logic should've took every statement Joe sent to him and put his pen to the pad, considering what genre we're in, but he didn't. People will react how they react, and that just is what it is.
Also, let's not forget that we're talking about Joe Budden, an ex-rapper who consistently found himself in altercations due to the things he would say to other rappers. Remember the Raekwon shyt? This isn't like Joe's a guy who's never caused issues before and he just happened to find himself in this situation, Joe's past anything but spotless. It made for great music, and he's a way better rapper and artist than Logic objectively, but he was involved in a lot of antics due to the shyt he'd say.
If people like Charlamagne and Akademiks piss rappers off regularly due to the shyt they say (Charlamagne ended up getting chased at one point too), of course people are going to have issues with Joe too. Ebro nearly caused a Drake x Eminem beef because he got bored one day and started trolling. These guys know what they're doing.
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
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seemorecizzy
Superstar
joe goes overboard with logic
yeah hes trash but he bullies him for no reason
not a fan of ppl going after easy targets
yeah hes trash but he bullies him for no reason
not a fan of ppl going after easy targets
Imagine if everybody one the coli made threads shytting on you day in and day out. After a certain point you'd get tired of that wouldn't you think. I personally don't see how I'd benefit from spamming insults at someone, but maybe it makes some of you feel better about yourselves
Every rapper and famous person deals with that shyt on the internet . Instagram, YouTube, Twitter are ruthless
Just shyt you gotta deal with.
joe saying logic is trash one to two times a fukking year aint that big of a deal
Y’all making it seem like he go in on logic every week. I heard him talk about logic maybe 4 times combined from the podcast and everyday struggle
fr what happened to shytting on haters?
remember when Riff Raff was on Sway?
dealt with the haters eloquently.
But if it was everyone on the coli that's different than one guy on a podcast.Imagine if everybody one the coli made threads shytting on you day in and day out. After a certain point you'd get tired of that wouldn't you think. I personally don't see how I'd benefit from spamming insults at someone, but maybe it makes some of you feel better about yourselves
Hell I have people who stalk me from different websites who've been going at me for several years.