lol @ people who vote...

[Drip Bayless]

I always feel the people that hold us back the most when it comes to voting are those that tell the common man that his vote doesn't matter.

Okay - voting doesn't matter (according to you) now what? How do you change a corrupt system from the outside? How many of you work in DC in a congressman/woman's office, helping them craft legislation? How many of you work for a government entity developing strategic plans? How many of you have any power/reach within your own communities that can change the status quo?

First of all, you're lost if you think this system of government can ever work in your favor. The system is flawed, you are not going to change it by cooperating with it. A black president is in the highest office of the land and his powered has been neutered like a puppy.

You vote to put someone in power that you trust to deal with issues of the legislature that you can't deal with on a 24/7 basis. It's that simple. It's up to you to hold them accountable if they sell you out to private corporations and interests.

The fact that you would rather place your trust in corrupt officials with their own interests, because you don't have "time," is quite unsettling, and part of the reason the people do not control this country. People are either too stupid to make good decisions, don't care, or both.

Religious fundamentalist don't think voting is pointless.
Multinational corporations don't think voting is pointless.

The first group is composed of America's lowest in terms of intelligence. The second doesnt even vote, they use the only, but most effective power a corporation has, money. Backing candidates and parties with hundreds of millions of dollars is definitely not pointless.

But for some reason minorities talk themselves out of using their god given electoral power.

God gave you the power to vote
C'mon son

 

[tru_m.a.c]

First of all, you're lost if you think this system of government can ever work in your favor.

The rules and procedures are inanimate objects. The power comes from the people who interpret and enforce those rules.

The system is flawed, you are not going to change it by cooperating with it. A black president is in the highest office of the land and his powered has been neutered like a puppy.

Bringing up Obama and the power of the president is some cliche freshman conspiracy theory shyt

The fact that you would rather place your trust in corrupt officials

I would place my trust in you, but you're too busy waxing poetic on a message board. When and where can we vote for you? I would like to help you bring about change. Let's prove voting matters.

 

[Drip Bayless]

The rules and procedures are inanimate objects. The power comes from the people who interpret and enforce those rules.

If the power belonged to the people it would be a democracy not a democratic republic

Bringing up Obama and the power of the president is some cliche freshman conspiracy theory shyt

Not a real rebuttal so, no response is necessary

I would place my trust in you, but you're too busy waxing poetic on a message board. When and where can we vote for you? I would like to help you bring about change. Let's prove voting matters.

And reduced your argument to ad hominems, so I think we're just about finished

 

[tru_m.a.c]

If the power belonged to the people it would be a democracy not a democratic republic



Not a real rebuttal so, on response is necessary


And reduced your argument to ad hominems, so I think we're just about finished

Was this not my original point? The people who vote do so because it is within their right and their power. It is not the only solution, but it is a solution. And not only is it a solution, it's a pretty easy to complete and quite representative of a population. What does NOT voting get these people?

Is your issue not with those in power? So how can you criticize those who are in power and corrupt yet sit on a keyboard and not do anything to replace them?

Are you nikkas just venting or are y'all putting forth a plan of action?

 

[Drip Bayless]

Was this not my original point? The people who vote do so because it is within their right and their power. It is not the only solution, but it is a solution. And not only is it a solution, it's a pretty easy to complete and quite representative of a population. What does NOT voting get these people?

Is your issue not with those in power? So how can you criticize those who are in power and corrupt yet sit on a keyboard and not do anything to replace them?

Are you nikkas just venting or are y'all putting forth a plan of action?

Until we start intelligently selecting our own candidates and writing our own legislation, voting will have limited impact in our society.

No, because we'd still only be choosing from a pool of candidates already pre-selected by the power structure, whose sole purpose will be to work for and maintain said power structure.

Plus even if we had the balls to implement serious campaign finance reform lobbyists and corporations would just find other ways to pay off candidates.

Not tryna be negative I'm just calling it what it is

@LeyeT has already answered your question. Until we defeat the corporations, the real rulers of this country nothing can get done. The only way to do that is choose a just battle over a comfortable lifestyle

 

[tru_m.a.c]

@LeyeT has already answered your question. Until we defeat the corporations, the real rulers of this country nothing can get done. The only way to do that is choose a just battle over a comfortable lifestyle

How can you defeat a corporation? Where is the plan of action?

I've been saying this since my first post. Are you in DC helping craft legislation? Do you work in a corrupt organization writing strategic plans for departments and working your way up the corporate ladder? What do you nikkas do beside complain when people vote?

 

[Drip Bayless]

How can you defeat a corporation? Where is the plan of action?

I've been saying this since my first post. Are you in DC helping craft legislation? Do you work in a corrupt organization writing strategic plans for departments and working your way up the corporate ladder? What do you nikkas do beside complain when people vote?

Do you think they force people to buy their products? Actually, some of them do. Gotta start somewhere tho, supporting local businesses is a good start. While you're at it you could support black ones. Not spending frivolously on luxuries will help, or at least do so without feeding giant private industrious. Some of most powerful corporations today sell everyday products that you can all buy elsewhere. Anyway re you actually gonna attempt to defend you're argument or are you gonna keep up this childish, "Well what are you doing?" shyt.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Do you think they force people to buy their products? Actually, some of them do. Gotta start somewhere tho, supporting local businesses is a good start. While you're at it you could support black ones. Not spending frivolously on luxuries will help, or at least do so without feeding giant private industrious.

Think about everything you just listed here. What makes you think voters aren't doing these things already? You're talking about me creating ad homs, but in reality, this thread only works when you categorize people who vote as nothing but button pushers.

Anyway re you actually gonna attempt to defend you're argument or are you gonna keep up this childish, "Well what are you doing?" shyt.

I work for these companies. I do the strategic planning. I'm in DC now. I have friends in DC offices helping congressmen/women out. I have friends in NY leading marches and protests. I was just in baltimore last week volunteering all Saturday on Druid Hill. I'm not setting the world on fire, but I'm nowhere close to a coli militant.

You guys think y'all are being revolutionary, y'all are just negative nikkas putting people down. Inspiration and motivation goes further than what you guys consider "doses of reality."

Nobody but keyboard warriors laugh at people who vote. I've never seen a civic leader denounce the act of voting outside of a message board. I've seen people get mad at the system and call for more attention to local elections, but to denounce the entire process does nothing. None of your solutions matter without an active voting population.

I say this shyt all the time. Most cats on this board don't do shyt but vent.

 

[Drip Bayless]

Think about everything you just listed here. What makes you think voters aren't doing these things already? You're talking about me creating ad homs, but in reality, this thread only works when you categorize people who vote as nothing but button pushers.



I work for these companies. I do the strategic planning. I'm in DC now. I have friends in DC offices helping congressmen/women out. I have friends in NY leading marches and protests. I was just in baltimore last week volunteering all Saturday on Druid Hill. I'm not setting the world on fire, but I'm nowhere close to a coli militant.

You guys think y'all are being revolutionary, y'all are just negative nikkas putting people down. Inspiration and motivation goes further than what you guys consider "doses of reality."

Nobody but keyboard warriors laugh at people who vote. I've never seen a civic leader denounce the act of voting outside of a message board. I've seen people get mad at the system and call for more attention to local elections, but to denounce the entire process does nothing. None of your solutions matter without active and voting population.

I say this shyt all the time. Most cats on this board don't do shyt but vent.

And here lies the essence of the struggle of the proletariat and especially blacks in America. Unfortunately we do a lot of symbolic shyt that doesnt really mean anything. I don't blame you or anyone else tho, where are you going to buy locally made computers? Phones? Or maybe complacency is what lead us to the lack of innovation from anyone without a paid research team and focus group. Uh what makes me think voters aren't doing these things already? Walmart is still profiting off Americans, so is Apple, nike, Nestle, Siemens, while proving time and time again that give not one fukk about the people who make their business possible. The difference between you and me is I am a realist. Optimism doesnt get things done buddy. I do think you should vote at local elections tho. Could get lucky and elect a person instead of a politician

 

[Drip Bayless]

I say this shyt all the time. Most cats on this board don't do shyt but vent.

You damn right

 

[afterlife2009]

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[thekingsmen]

Think about everything you just listed here. What makes you think voters aren't doing these things already? You're talking about me creating ad homs, but in reality, this thread only works when you categorize people who vote as nothing but button pushers.



I work for these companies. I do the strategic planning. I'm in DC now. I have friends in DC offices helping congressmen/women out. I have friends in NY leading marches and protests. I was just in baltimore last week volunteering all Saturday on Druid Hill. I'm not setting the world on fire, but I'm nowhere close to a coli militant.

You guys think y'all are being revolutionary, y'all are just negative nikkas putting people down. Inspiration and motivation goes further than what you guys consider "doses of reality."

Nobody but keyboard warriors laugh at people who vote. I've never seen a civic leader denounce the act of voting outside of a message board. I've seen people get mad at the system and call for more attention to local elections, but to denounce the entire process does nothing. None of your solutions matter without an active voting population.

I say this shyt all the time. Most cats on this board don't do shyt but vent.

That's nice tru but the very fact we know it's all about money and elections. No civic leader will denounce voting if he is in city council or running for something. The doses of reality is you are voting for people who will sell you out period. D.C. heads know about it.

 

[Madvillain]

Electoralism isn't the cure all a lot of "leaders" will tell you it is, not at all
but I think it's still an effective tool for movement building, esp. the more local you get

 

[PikaDaDon]

 

[MewTwo]

Not going to let this topic die. People really need to understand the political system. Voting doesn't mean shyt.