Low key, DMX music after ....And then there was x aged TERRIBLY

[spliz]

Was RR anthem for sale? If not,who cares. To my knowledge it was only out on the b side of slippin,for purchase. So....

This is the bottom line. DMX was going to be a star regardless. All of the labels saw it. His fans saw it. And his peers saw it. RR Anthem was huge for casuals. Cause it was so catchy. But I REFUSE to sit here and say that one song made DMX. When he had and was featured on hit songs prior and after. X was all over the place before and after RR Anthem. I mean it’s easy to attribute it to that song being that his album dropped right after. But X was consistently doing features. nikka had street songs like Pull It feat Cam. nikka took the industry by storm. Ruff Ryders Anthem HELPED him take the industry by storm. But it isn’t what made him. That’s all I’m saying. Cause honestly without X being who he was as a rapper talent wise. That song would NOT have worked. Neither would the beat.

 

[spliz]

nikka please rr anthem is x biggest record after x gonna give it to you (which was helped by dead pool,years later)
You're missing the point though.
Naw 250 ain't bad,but if it goes on to sale 4 mil,it's clear he wasn't the man yet,not on the level he would be.
Acting like how's it going down is bigger than RR anthem,shows you weren't really THERE back thEN. You're a Lil boy back then.
SILKK did 300k first week in Feb 1998,let that sink in Lil breh

Hows it Going Down was huge nikka u trippin. Lol.

 

[spliz]

X does NOT become a super star without RR ANTHEM. Remove get at me dog and everything stays the same or x does even better. I never liked that song. It was a forced hit.

nikka u on crack? Forced hit? U think cause YOU didn’t like something that accounts for everyone else. nikka there’s plenty people out there who like Get At Me Dog MORE than RR Anthem. That song contributed majorly to his buzz and it def wasn’t forced being that they barely even showed the music video on TV and he REFUSED to make a radio friendly version of the song. When they played the video on TV u could barely hear the lyrics to that shyt. Lol

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

nikka u on crack? Forced hit? U think cause YOU didn’t like something that accounts for everyone else. nikka there’s plenty people out there who like Get At Me Dog MORE than RR Anthem. That song contributed majorly to his buzz and it def wasn’t forced being that they barely even showed the music video on TV and he REFUSED to make a radio friendly version of the song. When they played the video on TV u could barely hear the lyrics to that shyt. Lol

lmao that shyt was all over tv,despite how meh it is. Lmao at people liking it more. RR is ahead 80 mil views to 1 mil,it's clear what people like more

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Hows it Going Down was huge nikka u trippin. Lol.

Love the record,it was a hit,but nowhere near as big as RR anthem

 

[spliz]

lmao that shyt was all over tv,despite how meh it is. Lmao at people liking it more. RR is ahead 80 mil views to 1 mil,it's clear what people like more

I said there’s people out there who liked Get At Me Dog more. And no that shyt wasn’t “all over tv”. Stop lying. MTV refuses to play the video. That or Stop Being Greedy. Get At Me Dog didn’t even have a radio version. shyt was bleeped out all over the place to where u could barely hear any lyrics. I don’t give a shyt how many YouTube views RR Anthem got currently. I’m talking about real time. RR Anthem went on to be the song it is now for a plethora of reasons. shyt ended up in movies and everything. And this is AFTER 98. There’s a bunch of reasons why it’s where it is now as far as YouTube compared to other songs in his catalog. U come off ass a nikka who didn’t fukk wit X until everyone else started to. Which is why ur view on his career is the way it is. Honestly it may be cause I’m an NY nikka and u not from here is why u look at shyt different. And why me and @FreshAIG have a different view of things than u.

 

[Techniec]

bullshyt

Those DMx albums after his first were not good

He still had hits upon hits long after his debut but I was never a fan of any album after his first

 

[Cadillac]

Albums may have aged terribly but his singles are still legit

I always felt like his attempt at variety limited him

He should of did mostly pump up songs instead of trying to add a lot of variety

Wow really?

Most people say the opposite for x that he should have added more to his repretoire

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

The commercial market does that anyway. Payola was/is real. Tell me I'm lyin'. But that's a different topic, I don't want to get into that.
Swizz did have a few joints that banged but lets not act like some of the beats in the beginning didn't sound cheap as fukk either, man.
Some of them, I do think were forced. But that's no different from radio hits in the past either. The business has always worked like that.

They tried to force Memphis Bleek Is... and that beat wasn't that great. I personally thought Jigga My nikka wasn't that great of a beat. Along with Money, Cash, Hoes. T.I.'s Bring Em Out. However, he had joints like WW III, Hotel, I'm A Hustla, Touch It, and etc. that showed his improvement and growth as a great producer. So calm down, I'm saying that in the beginning a good portion of some of the production he provided wasn't mediocre to weak and his strength in production showed over time. If you like everything he does, good for you.

But now, where I also give him credit, is when he did good with that 2nd DMX album. That track with Marilyn Manson was well produced. But shyt like Eve's first album, nah man.

just say that swizz isn't your cup of tea, and leave it at that.

just because YOU don't like something, it doesn't mean that its forced.

the fact of the matter is, when the majority of those prime swizz joints from '98-00 dropped, they popped off instantly and were everywhere, even before a lot of them even hit radio. so how the hell are they forced?

1.Laughing at Snoop and busta doesn't change reality. Both were legit stars going into early 1998.
Dmx was a guy that had potential and a couple notable features.
2. Maybe it was different in your town, but out here no one gave a fukk about get at me dog. No one has ever talked that song up to me in real life . People instantly loved STILL NOT A PLAYER remix.
3.Let's look at it
(and not's forget we're talking before RR anthem dropped,which dropped a week before IDAHIH came out)
Silkk

Rapped in videos for
"The Ghetto's Tryin' to Kill Me!"
(Master P featuring Silkk the Shocker) 1994
But i guess x was bigger than jay prior to RR anthem




6. Funny,you diss jay and put him under X for "riding RR coat tails"
But place X above Mase and puff,when his only real moments were Bad boy coat tails before he got on.

7.Are you comparing Dame to timbaland?
Dont play yourself

snoop was on his death-bed going into '98 before master p saved him.
busta rhymes was a big commercial commodity(whose album sales were below par, given the amount of exposure & promotion he had). same with his labelmate missy Elliot, who you are forcing into this conversation for some odd reason. that's really all they were tho.

why are you listing stuff from 1994? what are you on?

lol @ jay-z being bigger than DMX. volume one was considered a disappointment and a huge sophomore slump.

I see you already got schooled on that "bad boy coat-tails" comment. whats funny is, jay was the one riding bad boy's coat-tails in '97 & most of '98.

I'm saying dame is an album cut guy and timbaland is a singles guy. theyre in the same boat. just on different sections of the ship.......I know I know - timbaland has way more hits & made way more money. blah blah blah

 

[spliz]

Wow really?

Most people say the opposite for x that he should have added more to his repretoire

Yea. He buggin. X started off as a creative and versatile storyteller. He became that less and less after his 2nd album.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This is the bottom line. 1DMX was going to be a star regardless. All of the labels saw it. His fans saw it. And his peers saw it.2 RR Anthem was huge for casuals. Cause it was so catchy. 3But I REFUSE to sit here and say that one song made DMX. When he had and was featured on hit songs prior and after. 4X was all over the place before and after RR Anthem.5 I mean it’s easy to attribute it to that song being that his album dropped right after. But X was consistently doing features. nikka had street songs like6 Pull It feat Cam. nikka took the industry by storm.7 Ruff Ryders Anthem HELPED him take the industry by storm. But it isn’t what made him. That’s all I’m saying. Cause honestly without X being who he was as a rapper talent wise. That song would NOT have worked. Neither would the beat.

1.Unless he had something to replace RR anthem,then you're wrong.Despite him having other good records and moments,nothing in his 98' arsenal could do what RR anthem did for him so naw.

2.It was huge for casuals,but no one blows that big without casuals. Also it was loved by his base as well. so...

3.Of course it was a collaborative effort. But alot of those other parts are interchangeable. HOWEVER MOVING RR ANTHEM would STOP him from becoming a superstar.

4. He was all over the place,but you must deliver to become THEE MAN,RR anthem,delivered.
For contrast i'll give you an example of someone not delivering
Lil wayne.
Prior to wayne's first solo,he was in the B.G.'z group,and the first two hot boys albums
He also was featured on these songs
"Hide Out or Ride Out"[139] 1997 Juvenile, Turk Solja Rags
"Ride 2'Night"[140] B.G., Keisha, Turk, Bulletproof It's All on U, Vol. 1
"Let's Get Funky"[140] B.G.
"Hot Boys 226"[141] B.G., U.N.L.V., Juvenile It's All on U, Vol. 2
"Ride or Die"[141] B.G., Juvenile
"I'm Try'n"[141]
"Big Tymers (Intro)"[142][143] 1998 Big Tymers, Bulletproof How You Luv That and How You Luv That Vol. 2
"Playboy (Don't Hate Me)"[142][143] Big Tymers, Bun B
"Tear It Up"[142][143] Big Tymers, B.G.
"How U Luv That?"[142][143] Big Tymers, Juvenile
"Cutlass, Monte Carlo's & Regals"[142][143]
"Millionaire Dream"[142][143] Big Tymers, Cadillac
"Top of the Line nikka"[142][143] Big Tymers
"Suga & Pac, Puff & Big (6 Fig)"[142][143] Big Tymers, B.G.
"Drivin' Em"[142][143] Big Tymers, Larell
"Stun'n" (Remix)[143] Big Tymers, Paparue How You Luv That Vol. 2
"Flossin' Season"[144] Juvenile, Big Tymers, B.G. 400 Degreez
"Run for It"[144] Juvenile
"Rich nikkaz"[144] Juvenile, Mannie Fresh, Turk, Paparue
"nikkaz in Trouble"[145] 1999 B.G., Juvenile Chopper City in the Ghetto

He was on and performed in videos for these singles
"Back That Azz Up"
(Juvenile featuring Lil Wayne andMannie Fresh) 1999 19 5 9 — — — — — — —

• RIAA: Gold[42]

400 Degreez

"Bling Bling"
(B.G. featuring Lil Wayne, Turk, Juvenile, Baby and Mannie Fresh) 36 13 10 — — — — — — — Chopper City in the Ghetto

1. "We On Fire"
   Released: June 10, 1999
2. "I Need a Hot Girl"
   Released: September 20, 1999

Many people including myself,thought he was gon be that nikka.

When it came time for his solo all he had was Tha Block Is Hot and Respect US.
Neither were monster hits and he settled for meh success and took years to become THEE MAN.

5.I'M NOT BEFUDDLED or confused by the proximity that the album dropped after that single. I just have a vivid memory of what "stop drop" aka RR anthem meant to the general public. None of them other singles were even close to the same level.
It was pure classic,beat sounded like nothing else at the time and was catchy.
Dmx flows were catchy and classic
The hook was catchy and classic.
I had a rock anthem appeal mixed with hiphop that the streets could fukk with and so catchy even the hoes liked it. Plus x was on it by himself. A real star making performance.
6.Lmao at you thinking pull it meant alot back then (on a nationwide level)

7.By now hopefully you get it

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

dmx always been trash, one hot album, and thats it

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

can we all agree on this timeline??
@bigbadbossup2012 @spliz @ZEB WALTON
AND EVERYBODY ELSE!!!

- DMX had the goat guest-spot run, and it began in '97, leading into his album & beyond into '99.
- the anticipation for his album was huge, and it was an instant smash. long before "ruff ryder anthem", which was the fourth & final video.
- "get at me dog" was his highest charting single
- "hows it goin down" was the album's biggest radio hit
- "ruff ryder anthem" was the most popular single off the album, and arguably his most popular single period. definitely his signature song. and it took his career to that NEXT LEVEL. it catapulted him into a potential household name.

so did ruff ryder anthem make DMX' career?? of course not.

but it was definitely the most effective hit on the album..........altho, it was an album that was already HUGE long before the video.

also, I agree with @bigbadbossup2012 about how the RR Anthem single wasn't serviced properly in order to be a chart-topper on billboard. the charts are always mis-leading. taking nothing away from his other singles.

Let's be real, if Dee and Wah weren't his Uncles, Swizz probably wouldn't have even had much of a career. And I actually like some of Swizz production (He has some classics, undeniable heat) but his sound kinda was very unorthodox for the time, and wasn't that respected. The main reason it got any play is because he had the Lox, X and Jay rapping over his beats. If his family didn't start Ruff Ryders, he would've had to start like any other producer, and I'm not sure who would be picking those beats in 1997 without the connection.

actually, swizz was the PERFECT producer to lead the east coast thru that era.

puff & the hitmen deaded all that '90s boom-bap chit. they brought the party element back to the forefront. then swizz kept the party jumping while bringing the street element back into it. sure, he benefited from his bloodline, making it easier to get on, but the timing being perfect for his production played just as much of a role.

and his style really wasn't even unorthodox. especially in comparison to the neptunes, who were breaking thru. shoot, swizz beatz was reminiscent of the original '80s boom bap. the stuff that made hip-hop a mainstay.

respect from whom?? backpackers?? let all those rap snobs & so-called purists play the wall & beat their meat. swizz was the people's champion. that's what the people wanted to hear. and it was brutally obvious, despite whatever crying that dudes like premo and/or pete rock and them were doing. they had their time, and truth be told, they dropped the ball. if the east coast had a swizz in the early-mid '90s, the west coast wouldn't have been kicking our ass so bad.

realest post I ever wrote.........this week.

 

[spliz]

can we all agree on this timeline??
@bigbadbossup2012 @spliz @ZEB WALTON
AND EVERYBODY ELSE!!!

- DMX had the goat guest-spot run, and it began in '97, leading into his album & beyond into '99.
- the anticipation for his album was huge, and it was an instant smash. long before "ruff ryder anthem", which was the fourth & final video.
- "get at me dog" was his highest charting single
- "hows it goin down" was the album's biggest radio hit
- "ruff ryder anthem" was the most popular single off the album, and arguably his most popular single period. definitely his signature song. and it took his career to that NEXT LEVEL. it catapulted him into a potential household name.

so did ruff ryder anthem make DMX' career?? of course not.

but it was definitely the most effective hit on the album..........altho, it was an album that was already HUGE long before the video.

also, I agree with @bigbadbossup2012 about how the RR Anthem single wasn't serviced properly in order to be a chart-topper on billboard. the charts are always mis-leading. taking nothing away from his other singles.




actually, swizz was the PERFECT producer to lead the east coast thru that era.

puff & the hitmen deaded all that '90s boom-bap chit. they brought the party element back to the forefront. then swizz kept the party jumping while bringing the street element back into it. sure, he benefited from his bloodline, making it easier to get on, but the timing being perfect for his production played just as much of a role.

and his style really wasn't even unorthodox. especially in comparison to the neptunes, who were breaking thru.

respect from whom?? backpackers?? let all those rap snobs & so-called purists play the wall & beat their meat. swizz was the people's champion. that's what the people wanted to hear. and it was brutally obvious, despite whatever crying that dudes like premo and/or pete rock and them were doing. they had their time, and truth be told, they dropped the ball. if the east coast had a swizz in the early-mid '90s, the west coast wouldn't have been kicking our ass so bad.

realest post I ever wrote.........this week.

RR Anthem was his 3rd single. How’s it Goin Down was his 4th. Yea. I never said that RR Anthem wasn’t huge. But dude been disrespecting his other producers like X was X CAUSE if Swizz. And calling RR Anthem the most classic song on the album is some BS imo. Meanwhile the main argument even from the other thread was that DMX shoudlnt have gotten rid of Dame Grease musically. He started shytting on Dame Grease and talking about hits when that wasn’t the main argument in the first place.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

RR Anthem was his 3rd single. How’s it Goin Down was his 4th. Yea. I never said that RR Anthem wasn’t huge. But dude been disrespecting his other producers like X was X CAUSE if Swizz. And calling RR Anthem the most classic song on the album is some BS imo. Meanwhile the main argument even from the other thread was that DMX shoudlnt have gotten rid of Dame Grease musically. He started shytting on Dame Grease and talking about hits when that wasn’t the main argument in the first place.

maybe. they were both out at the same time. I just recall seeing the "hows it going down" video first.

yea, I'm arguing against him for the most part. but RR Anthem was definitely the most popular track on the album and maybe his career. between that and "party up" - also produced by swizz.

but yea, he went way overboard with his posts.