The latest Bedwench Banks rant is against Christianity. She is burning through all of her Pro Black for Dummies material rather quickly. She needs to save something for the summer.
Lupe Fiasco #BeMoreLikeKendrickLamar... goes in on Azealia Banks (Kid Cudi catches strays)
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prophecypro
Hollywood North
To be honest man, I think if those 3 guys were still around and culturally relevant today or the internet and social media and developed social bloggers were around during their time, they too would catch some heat
In fact all three have been hit with their share of flack by black folks and it would be probably be over magnified if there was twitter, tumblr and message boards. Like there would be a week long wank about 2pac saying "..and they say its the police I should fear, but its my own kind doing all the killing here" along with all the Death Row stuff, he'd probably be labeled a c00n too and be split (In fact some of the "hate" he got from so called bias Pure Hip Hop or East Coast mags at the time was stuff like this, hence why he got the Mr contradictory label). Krs-One would probably get shyt for throwing PM Dawn off stage cause people would be like "Why aint you throwing off Vanilla Ice? Why is it your own people?" On some
(Hell remember the heat he caught for talking about 9/11) and it wouldn't just be older black folks and white people who would take Ice Cube to town over Black Korea. Even the great Chuck D who has always been sensible and had some respect is not prone to have say some stuff that people will either agree or look at him sideways about (Conspiracy stuff mostly, which renders people to think you aint bright whatsoever)That all shouldn't exclude the great and smart things they did do though
Rappers have flaws man, no different than most people who wanna voice an opinion. We just live in an age where we past cynicsm, everyone can comment and have access to info at a fingertip and we're looking for problematic statements to catch people . They say some poignant and not so poignant stuff like most people who are willing to at least pay attention on the issue and that's fine enough
Don't get it twisted: I don't agree with Kendrick that black on black crime is a reason to worry than the cops (Both are their own separate problem issues)...but we all know people around us who say "Man what we really need to do is stop killing each other bruh" and run with it. I see other people worried about Kendrick saying this and how white people will react and maybe not blame the police for the recent killings... and I'm like I'm pretty sure the problem with the cops has been documented enough that if there was a white man on the fence about why cops do stuff, they aint gonna look at Kendrick and be like "He must be 100% correct, it starts with black people"
Basically rappers don't need to be overpraised or over-critized. It's the same reason why despite Azeila Banks making clear valid points about whitewashing in Hip Hop, I aint gonna put the crown on her like most people are given she's said a bunch of other dumb shyt on twitter. She gets props for that and we keep it moving, just like Kendrick can get a respectful disagreement and we keep it moving.
Piff Perkins
Veteran
It's crazy seeing posters insinuate black people are some hive mind and we can't have Justice until the entire hive mind starts acting "respectable." Y'all know that's typical racist shyt right?
It's like that article pointed out c00n black authors 100+ years ago arguing black people can't be mad about lynching because black on black crime is high. Sound familiar?
How do you know black people don't respect each other brehs? Because black on black crime results in 92% of all black murder victims? Y'all know white on white crime results in about 87% of all white murder victims right? How come we never hear about whites not respecting each other?
It's like that article pointed out c00n black authors 100+ years ago arguing black people can't be mad about lynching because black on black crime is high. Sound familiar?
How do you know black people don't respect each other brehs? Because black on black crime results in 92% of all black murder victims? Y'all know white on white crime results in about 87% of all white murder victims right? How come we never hear about whites not respecting each other?
ManBearPig
half man half bearpig
Banks go away already.
Azealia's the raving scary bytch, while Iggy's prop on a pedestal
...play the detraction game until CaCs discard you, and back to that home base you seek
The Powers That Be got all these Nouvea Negros CONTROL'd
...play the detraction game until CaCs discard you, and back to that home base you seek
The Powers That Be got all these Nouvea Negros CONTROL'd
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Kid Cudi's the most sensible among all these faux Pro Black wrappas
...the fukkery of the Black Twilight Zone continues, while CaCs stays unaccountable for their inherent wrongdoings
When are these militants going to go at the Doug Morris's of the world the way they go at the Iggy's?
iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
I've been posted my picture on this board you delusional fakkit, wtf are you talking about?
"bu bu you have a different opinion than me, y-y-y-ou a c-c-cac!"
Not sure, where to start. Maybe people could pick a topic, and we can go from there. Also, not sure which forum would give it the most traction.
OPINION
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Debunking the pathology of poverty
Paul Ryan revives misguided argument that the poor are to blame for their struggles
March 26, 2014 7:00AM ET
by Susan Greenbaum @sdgreenbaum
The House Budget Committee’s March 3 report, “The War on Poverty: 50 Years Later,” states that “the single most important determinant of poverty is family structure,” closely followed by a disinclination to work. The sponsor of the report, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc., claims the problem is single-parent households raising children with neither the desire nor capacity to acquire skills to support themselves as adults — creating a vicious cycle of dependency persisting across generations. He blames government-sponsored social programs for permitting the lazy among us to avoid taking responsibility for themselves and their children, and he believes the cure for this self-inflicted condition is tough love: Poor people need stronger incentives to get off the couch and find a job.
In a radio chat with Bill Bennett, drug czar under George H.W. Bush and secretary of education under Ronald Reagan, Ryan seemed to inject race into the argument, saying, “We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the culture of work.” Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., called it racist. The New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman agreed, calling Ryan’s reference to inner cities an obvious “dog whistle” — a coded, offensive message understood by a targeted few.
Ryan traces his ideas about family structure to the 1965 Moynihan Report, written by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, then an assistant secretary in the Department of Labor and later a U.S. Senator from New York. Moynihan argued that poverty is perpetuated by defective cultural values, an idea more generally known as the culture of poverty. That term was coined in 1959 by Oscar Lewis, an anthropologist, and was used repeatedly by Michael Harrington, a popular journalist who wrote about American poverty, but as a theory it was heavily disputed by most social scientists until the mid-1980s. With the rise of conservative politics and periodic declines in the economy, this allegedly scientific concept has repeatedly served as a convenient explanation for persistent inequality, a state of affairs that benefits the wealthy and the politicians who serve their interests. Instead of plumbing the pathologies of elite culture, recently labeled “affluenza,” a sociopathic disorder based on too much privilege, most poverty research has focused on the decisions and values of single mothers in poor neighborhoods and their allegedly errant menfolk and delinquent sons.
A cultural plague
In his report, officially titled “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” Moynihan claimed that African-American family values produced too many fatherless households and nurtured what he called a “tangle of pathology,” a self-perpetuating, self-defeating cultural flaw responsible for persistently high rates of poverty and violent crime. Conservative columnists and politicians seized on the report, promulgated by a liberal in Lyndon B. Johnson’s administration, as official evidence that African-American culture was dangerously pathological. Civil rights leaders saw it as an attempt to blame the black community for systemic problems of racial discrimination. A wide spectrum of academic researchers criticized the report, finding errors and mistaken statistical logic; it was a hasty analysis wrapped in provocative rhetoric. Over the next decade, more evidence was brought forth that challenged Moynihan’s data and assumptions (and Lewis’). By the late 1970s, the premise that poor people have a distinctive culture that causes them to fail seemed to have been rejected.
Reagan’s election in 1980, however, rehabilitated the culture of poverty concept by invoking images of welfare queens and the supposed dangers of a dependent underclass. In 1984, Charles Murray, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, wrote a popular book called “Losing Ground,” which claimed harmful social programs and bad behavior by the poor were the main causes of the growing poverty of the era. Liberal academics countered that unemployment in deindustrialized urban areas was the main cause of poverty, though some of their cohort also conceded Moynihan’s original premise, arguing that economic failure partly resulted from ineffective parenting within the underclass. Once again, cause and effect were up for grabs, and conservatives (then, as now) opted for the appealing explanation that poor people cause their own problems.
Until we stop blaming the poor and accept the fact that government can help, we will perpetuate the current dystopic state as the new normal.
In his interview with Bennett, Ryan cited Murray approvingly, a reference that intensified the charges of racism levied against him. Murray is a co-author of “The Bell Curve,” published in 1994, which controversially posited a genetic link between race and IQ. His 2008 book, “Coming Apart,” argued that the white lower classes were largely abandoning marriage and family fidelity, that they too have been infected with the tangle of pathology. The steep rise in single-parent households among whites and Latinos is decried as a spreading cultural plague of bad family values, but what these trends actually confirm is the connection between a lagging economy and the ability of poor people to afford marriage.
Charting the poverty rate against other historical data shows that recessions bring steep rises in poverty and recoveries bring declines. The current rate is just over 15 percent (up from 11 percent in 2000), which is where it has been since 2009. It was also that high in 1983 and 1993, both periods of economic decline. Poverty has not returned to the extreme rates of the early 1960s (when it was over 20 percent), before the federal government enacted anti-poverty programs, which played an important role in reducing poverty in the recessions that followed. Earlier peaks were short-lived. Today, though, poverty has remained at 15 percent for nearly five years. We are warned that this is the new normal, and, disturbingly, so it seems to be.
Bad behavior from the top
So what causes poverty? What precipitates recessions that throw people out of work and curtail vital services in cash-strapped municipalities and states? The last one, which began in 2008, resulted from bad behavior, though not by poor people. Rather, we saw fraudulent and predatory practices by the captains of finance, corrupt behavior by regulators and elected officials and an ethos condoning exploitation at all levels of the economy, especially against the most vulnerable. These practices are also cultural — driven by the rationalized prerogatives of people with too much wealth and power — and they wreak much more havoc than the shortcomings of poor parents.
For example, the decision of many employers to short workers’ wages by not paying for overtime or by altering records of time and tips is a costly cultural choice. The Economic Policy Institute determined that wage theft in 2008 amounted to almost $200 million, nearly four times the haul from all types of robberies in 2009 (about $57 million). The Wall Street–caused collapse of 2008 saw 3.6 million jobs lost and up to 4 million home foreclosures, including a great many black and Latino victims of fraudulent, predatory mortgages. The wealthy perpetrators of this bad behavior have been perversely rewarded. Meanwhile, the racial wealth gap has grown enormously since 2008. Wealth inequality in the U.S. is greater now than at any time since 1928, and the share funneled to the top 1 percent continues to grow.
The convenient fiction that poverty is self-induced and caused by bad culture has a long pedigree. As Timothy Eganpointed out in a March 15 editorial in The New York Times, when the Irish were starving from the failure of the potato crop in the 1840s, the English aristocracy could have rescued them but declined to do so for fear of setting up a culture of dependency; Egan quotes Charles Trevelyan, who was in charge of the government’s famine policy and claimed the Irish were “selfish, perverse and turbulent” — unfit for mercy. When Ryan, a descendant of refugees from the Irish famine, argues the merits of cutting food stamps for hungry families, he is re-enacting a cruel play in which his own ancestors were innocent victims.
It is time to put an end this canard once and for all. Until we stop blaming the wrong people and accept the fact that government can help, we will perpetuate the current dystopic state as the new normal. We need to lift the fog induced by the so-called culture of poverty and recognize that we really could wage an effective war against poverty.
To be honest man, I think if those 3 guys were still around and culturally relevant today or the internet and social media and developed social bloggers were around during their time, they too would catch some heat
In fact all three have been hit with their share of flack by black folks and it would be probably be over magnified if there was twitter, tumblr and message boards. Like there would be a week long wank about 2pac saying "..and they say its the police I should fear, but its my own kind doing all the killing here" along with all the Death Row stuff, he'd probably be labeled a c00n too and be split (In fact some of the "hate" he got from so called bias Pure Hip Hop or East Coast mags at the time was stuff like this, hence why he got the Mr contradictory label). Krs-One would probably get shyt for throwing PM Dawn off stage cause people would be like "Why aint you throwing off Vanilla Ice? Why is it your own people?" On some
That all shouldn't exclude the great and smart things they did do though
Rappers have flaws man, no different than most people who wanna voice an opinion. We just live in an age where we past cynicsm, everyone can comment and have access to info at a fingertip and we're looking for problematic statements to catch people . They say some poignant and not so poignant stuff like most people who are willing to at least pay attention on the issue and that's fine enough
Don't get it twisted: I don't agree with Kendrick that black on black crime is a reason to worry than the cops (Both are their own separate problem issues)...but we all know people around us who say "Man what we really need to do is stop killing each other bruh" and run with it. I see other people worried about Kendrick saying this and how white people will react and maybe not blame the police for the recent killings... and I'm like I'm pretty sure the problem with the cops has been documented enough that if there was a white man on the fence about why cops do stuff, they aint gonna look at Kendrick and be like "He must be 100% correct, it starts with black people"
Basically rappers don't need to be overpraised or over-critized. It's the same reason why despite Azeila Banks making clear valid points about whitewashing in Hip Hop, I aint gonna put the crown on her like most people are given she's said a bunch of other dumb shyt on twitter. She gets props for that and we keep it moving, just like Kendrick can get a respectful disagreement and we keep it moving.
We know these lyrics though and no-one credible would call 2 Pac and them c00ns. Pac was IN the riots and Kendrick is saying not to riot lol.
KRS has been much more extremely pro black than Kendrick in his music and confrontational to the system, all 3 of the artists I named have, and in interviews and shyt too. So I don't see how the comparison holds up in them regards.
There's going to be people that hate regardless of course, but Kendrick to the artists I named there are clear and drastic distinctions.
I've not even dissing Kendrick for specifically this 1 comment, but it's no surprise to me his stance here given his track record. Lupe I wouldn't diss for his comments, cause he has a track record of going hard against the system in his records, Kendrick though seems "c00nish", I can't lie, I've always felt that way about him. He seems like a safe acceptable black that isn't really challenging the system like that, more of a representation of the system than rebellious to it. Good kid bad city? Don't riot? Don't rally? Eminem obsession? Eminem in top 5?... This is what the system would love from black people, they don't want BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN, they don't want JESUS CHRIST, YESS JESUSS CHRISSIT, JESUSS CHRISSSIT WAS BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK, or THERE CAN NEVER BE JUSTICE ON STOLEN LAND could go on. But Kendrick is like a product of the machine/system rather than a voice of the people for black causes. He seems to tow a line.
prophecypro
Hollywood North
Okay, but do you not what I'm saying though? The reaction to one comment, one line even have people thinking Kendrick was a c00n or a product of the system etc etc when before that, there was nothing to indicate that at all and we were all
when he dropped IWe've had people be pro-black and still say some controversial comments not in line with what others assume or expect of them and people flip out the polar opposite way on them. That's the thing I'm saying
What's wrong with this broad? Is she the voice for all black people now?
Okay, but do you not what I'm saying though? The reaction to one comment, one line even have people thinking Kendrick was a c00n or a product of the system etc etc when before that, there was nothing to indicate that at all and we were all
We've had people be pro-black and still say some controversial comments not in line with what others assume or expect of them and people flip out the polar opposite way on them. That's the thing I'm saying
I get your point in a general sense yes. 1 comment can make people go to extremes. But that doesn't apply to ME because I've always felt this way about Kendrick.
That's why I haven't said anything negative in regards to what Lupe said, cause he never came across that way to me. As far as I'm aware, and I can think of specifics where Lupe has gone hard for what he believes in in his music. He's been firm in that, I can respect that.
I don't think there was nothing that indicated Kendrick wasn't, I think everything indicated he was, just people didn't just understand or realize or however you wanna put it.
I agree people go overboard at times because they are in their emotions and are not using logic, but there's a lot of logic to the Kendrick backlash, if people are starting to awaken to it I can't be mad at that. Lupe's a different situation.
prophecypro
Hollywood North
What specifically did he do or say that would made you feel he would?
Cause I know a lot of people in general may not like a famous person for the most minor reasons or usually because they cant stand their fanbase and project larger issues on them the instant they fukk up. Mad people do this online.
jaydolf spitler
Superstar
Smfh two of my favorite artists goin at eachother 