Lupe Fiasco: "Metaphors and punchlines matter....don't need to be a great lyricist to tell a story....shouldn't rely on delivery and flow"

[maxamusa]

Well that boy just got hit with some bars by a fake MC

Even flipped the Prince Mike Jack line

still haven't heard it. its not on streaming services.

they "soft releasing" as AI. 2024 is weird AF.

you got the track?

The fact that drake can even step in the arena is a disgrace. He did body Common on stay scheming; but what is it worth if you not really an MC 2 begin with?

Who does the credit go 2.

 

[maxamusa]

He said YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A GREAT LYRICIST TO TELL A GREAT STORY

He did not say GREAT LYYRICTS CANT TELL GREAT STORIES

YOU’RE TAKING IT THAT WAY to disprove him you’re interpreting Lupe Fiasco's comments as indicative of a blanket dismissal of certain lyrical styles or techniques.

shyt I might have misinterpreted n fell for the bait. cause im hating hard on breh

 

[Braman]

fukking nerd

I hate when hip hop gets to this point. Nggas talking about it like analytics white boys talking about hoops. It isn’t organic, it sounds like he’s explaining rap to a white audience

Put it this way…her you ever heard or can you even imagine jay z, nas, pac, Ghostface talk about hip hop in this fashion?

Like i get it rappers are teaching classes now cool but save that ‘history of hip hop’ shyt for harvard. These tweets are so annoying

 

[GoldenGlove]

Lupe getting insecure cause his raps being exposed for having little imagination. Most of his shyt is complicated just for the sake of it. Kendrick is MUCH better at painting pictures with his words. That's why in a one vs one battle. Song vs song. I'm 99% positive Kendrick would annihilate him. Cause while Lupe will be using a bunch of meaningless wordplay to flip Kendricks album titles, Kendrick will be systematically destroying his whole career while making it sound fire.

Lupe just doesn't have much depth as an artist beyond clever wordplay. Even his stories are forgettable because he's trying to be too detailed on shyt that doesn't matter. But his stans will pretend he's just too genius for everybody.

I intended on just reading this thread. But you sir are completely outta pocket. You sound like a damn fool that has no idea about Lupe's catalog

Lupe's range for song making is ELITE. He has crafted classic basic records and classic complex ones.







Only posting a few straightforward tracks due to stupidity

 

[maxamusa]

I intended on just reading this thread. But you sir are completely outta pocket. You sound like a damn fool that has no idea about Lupe's catalog

Lupe's range for song making is ELITE. He has crafted classic basic records and classic complex ones.







Only posting a few straightforward tracks due to stupidity

you really like those songs

 

[GoldenGlove]

I wonder if Lupe by his own definition would consider Biggie a great lyricist since he wasn't a punch king. This whole shyt he's babbling about here is why he puts out garbage like this



He thinks this kind of shyt is quality "lyricsm" babbling meaningless themes together to produce one big word salad. The shyt is the epitome of "lyrical miracle spiritual" babble that so many stereotypical lyrics fans conceptualize as being high caliber rapping.

Let's take Andre 3000 verse on "Return of the gangsta" for example. Widely considered a classic verse and a perfect example of 3000 general style of multi syllable rhyming matched with poignant content and social commentary



According to Lupes metrics this wouldn't be elite lyricism because he doesn't nerd out with a bunch of forced metaphors or punchlines how silly does that sound when you actually repeat it out loud.

I just played this song, and yea. I check for Lu but later in his career he basically gets a kick out of making music for a small pocket of fans within his own fanbase that'll spend time to "get" every reference.

I prefer Basic to Medium level lyrical Lupe compared to all the extra shyt he be doing now.

 

[GoldenGlove]

you really like those songs

So Kick Push isn't a classic song?

He Say She Say isn't a powerful record?

I do rock with Next 2 It, because it's a cool concept song as a single and it's a dope song live when he performs it. If that were a Kendrick song plenty of nikkas would call it genius and dikkride tho

 

[GoldenGlove]

If only this nikka would keep this same energy...

 

[maxamusa]

So Kick Push isn't a classic song?

He Say She Say isn't a powerful record?

I do rock with Next 2 It, because it's a cool concept song as a single and it's a dope song live when he performs it. If that were a Kendrick song plenty of nikkas would call it genius and dikkride tho

I didn't care for either tbh

 

[GoldenGlove]

I didn't care for either tbh

I was providing examples of Lupe's depth as a song writer. He has songs that a constructed in a traditional way. All of his shyt isn't obtuse or obscure like the person I was responding to was saying.

 

[Budda]

“DOG whatever they call you, GOD, just listen
I spit a story backwards, it starts at the ending”

The audacity of this guy with the subtle wordplay

Mane Nas a genius cuz he can simplify something super complex.

I feel Lupe has a similar genius, but he likes to keep complexity complex to challenge himself. He simplifies it when he chooses to which can be his Achilles heel for listeners

I’m sure I remembered catching on to this years ago but it’s slipped my mind, that is subtle genius

 

[Tommy Sheppard]

Dawg help me out. I always hear about the genius of Mural but it went over my head.
What made it so great?

Song is overrated.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

This is dry hating on Kendrick

you nikkas are worse than Bron stans

 

[Ghost Utmost]

A rap line is always a punch line.

"It's been a long time. I shouldn't have left you"

This part is pretty useless without

"Without a strong rhyme to step to"

When you say the part that rhymes, what makes it dope is if it's somewhat unpredictable and says something somewhat clever.

A rap line is similar to a joke in ways. But if you're doing it right, at the end of each line the listener will be like "ooohh"

 

[MischievousMonkey]

The issue with this lies in its misrepresentation of Lupe Fiasco's perspective on lyricism and its comparison of two distinct artists, Lupe Fiasco's metric for elite lyricism may indeed prioritize intricate wordplay, metaphors, and punchlines, but it does not inherently devalue other styles of lyricism, such as Andre 3000's.

Youre implying a false dichotomy between "nerding out with forced metaphors or punchlines" and producing classic verses with poignant content and social commentary. You’re overlooking the nuanced ways in which artists can blend technical skill with meaningful storytelling and thematic depth.

CUT IT OUT Lupe himself said

Bro, keep it all the way a 1000:

Do you use ChatGPT to come up with some of these replies?