Lupe Fiasco VS Talib Kweli..Twitter Beef

[Mac Casper]

These guys . .

 

[Spin]

But even with saying that, we've all had partners who had both parents, good living situation and not even the music but the allure of what their friends who out here gettin it or just pop culture as a whole pulled them in to try and start being "about that life". We also know cats who've been in a single parent home who strayed but got back on track and made something out of the situation that they were in. Not downplaying the significance of the parental role but to ignore the influence that other outside entities that directly or indirectly play into the equation solves nothing IMO

I agree that even with two parents doesn't guarantee a positive outcome. I'm just saying with both parents (especially a strong father if we're talking about males) the probabilities are higher that a better outcome will be achieved. Take the situation you mention about a kid straying away and then eventually getting his life back on track. Most of the time they probably met a mentor such as a teacher, coach, or someone who was able to get through to them. Might not of been their direct parents, but it was still some type of presence that wasn't there before.

I will say one thing I see going on that is dangerous is a 2 parent household where they just let the kids play video games and watch tv all day. I see this in situations where the parents might of been brought up poor and now have dough. They feel like they're giving their children the childhood they never experienced. By the time the kids turn 18 and aren't "special" anymore, they have no real world experience. They might not be "bad", but they're ill-equipped for what is about to come.

 

[spliz]

Damn, I think Kweli is a corny fukk but I agree with both sides...
I think the prollems in the community started before negative raps, as a matter of fact thats not a debatable point. But I also see this shyt as contributing to the further degradation of our communities because a lot of times there is either poor or absent parenting and these dumb ass niccaz do whatever they see or hear other niccaz talkin about... as jackeurobinson's thread about father figures in hip hop suggested.

If one sees negative music as a contributing factor to our problems then it is bytchmade to not confront it in a straight forward manner and p*ssyfootin around it as Talib suggests we do doesnt help anything. And I think there is a difference between then and now. Now this destructive lifestyle is being glorified with zero acknowledgment to the consequences where I feel it was much more balanced in the past.

I mean look at Scarface, the nicca aint rappin about being some saint, but the nicca gives you both sides of the coin... now listen to Ross, or Woodface, its just glorifying negativity. And positive shyt cant find its way onto the radio anymore. Definitely seems like a sinister plan to destroy niccaz and have us Big Meeching to our graves.

But go ahead niccaz, and talk about a niccaz dreads some more, because thats really the important thing here.

The problem I have with Lu in this back n forth is that Talib agreed on some of the points he was making to an EXTENT... on some WE ALL RESPONSIBLE type shyt...but more or less tryna dig into the root of the issue..which is FAR deeper than rap...but Lu wasnt tryna hear NONE of that shyt..it was all or nothin for him and some pure pointin the fingers holier than thou type shyt...more or less judging people...and that Beethoven comment sealed it for me...its disappointing cause im a fan of the nikka...but I cant rock wit how he been comin off lately...dude is having personal issues with himself and condemning everyone else for them...

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

I would've loved to see Killer Mike or David Banner jump in on this conversation. Like I said, I can see both sides of theirs arguments but I kinda side more with Lu's pov. Even tho I believe hip hop plays a far lesser role than he's trying to insinuate, at some point, nikkas need to be held accountable for their words or even more to those who try to actually live up to their on wax persona. Not in a legal way but thru being confronted in dialogue like these two just had. But if we confront them then we need to start confronting Hollywood for their depiction of US in their films cause it is deeper than the music. It's a total sum of all these things

 

[Canada Goose]

Lupe fiasco is an annoying fakkit with dreads trying to look like the hood hero in chicago keef

Lupe been growing his hair out before Chief Keef even came out breh.

 

[KushSkywalker]

Talib learn to stay on beat yet?

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

"Hip Hop ain't responsible for violence in America. America's responsible for violence in America" -Shyne Po

But on the real they both have a point, they're just coming from different generations. When I was young we could listen to gangsta rap without shooting shyt up afterwards. But these youth today, IDK. Lupe is from Chicago so you can't really sell him that story so easily. I guess kids today are just dumb as fukk.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

They both make good points and they both typed some random nonsense..

It seems like Talib is still regurgitating that old '80 mantra that rap is "CNN for the hood" and rappers only speak on what they see...

We all know that is no longer true...

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I think many of the most violent cities don't have any rappers on the national stage.... but you don't think Chief Keef is a product/representative of what's going on in Chicago?

 

[OG Talk]

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I think many of the most violent cities don't have any rappers on the national stage.... but you don't think Chief Keef is a product/representative of what's going on in Chicago?

Chief Keef is a product of sitting in his grandmas house and watching Gucci and Waka on youtube...

 

[intilectual recipricol]

The problem I have with Lu in this back n forth is that Talib agreed on some of the points he was making to an EXTENT... on some WE ALL RESPONSIBLE type shyt...but more or less tryna dig into the root of the issue..which is FAR deeper than rap...but Lu wasnt tryna hear NONE of that shyt..it was all or nothin for him and some pure pointin the fingers holier than thou type shyt...more or less judging people...and that Beethoven comment sealed it for me...its disappointing cause im a fan of the nikka...but I cant rock wit how he been comin off lately...dude is having personal issues with himself and condemning everyone else for them...

I think what Lu was pointing out, and I may be wrong, was that there was balance. He or Kweli could be that balance, but we dont get that, we're forcefed these Ross images all day, and it can be poisonous. I dont see anything wrong with labeling it and confronting it where need be. But I dont think, at least I havent read or heard, where Lu is talking about censorship... simply calling it what it is. He readily admits that he did some shyt in his past, but feels it better to turn that page and highlight the positives or strive to move forward. I agree not everyone has turned that page or has been able to escape that life, so its unfair for this nicca to have made his mistakes and not allow others the same opportunity... but that dont mean niccaz have to promote it all the time.

He readily admits we have our Food and our Liquor.

 

[NormanConnors]

lupe is a cornball talib is not

not from my experience, i've met both and to me off of first impression Talib is the cornball i'm still a fan but still

 

[boskey]

"Soft responses to our own destruction are the trademark of our black experience and we shall suffer for it"

I agree with Kweli's opinion on the music more but I agree with Lupe's overall point more. Even if the music itself isn't causing violence/ignorance/whatever the fact is that violence and ignorance are being pushed on black folks by non-black folks thru the music. It needs to be called out instead of everyone being shook cuz somebody might call you corny, or a hater or a hypocrite...


And I'm not a huge fan of either of these dudes musically or personally...

 

[Thegospel]

Worry about your own kids. Can't save other people kids. Save yourself the trouble of trying to figure out something that has no answer.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

The problem I have with Lu in this back n forth is that Talib agreed on some of the points he was making to an EXTENT... on some WE ALL RESPONSIBLE type shyt...but more or less tryna dig into the root of the issue..which is FAR deeper than rap...but Lu wasnt tryna hear NONE of that shyt..it was all or nothin for him and some pure pointin the fingers holier than thou type shyt...more or less judging people...and that Beethoven comment sealed it for me...its disappointing cause im a fan of the nikka...but I cant rock wit how he been comin off lately...dude is having personal issues with himself and condemning everyone else for them...

What was wrong with the Beethoven comment?
Do you know it's proven that listening to Beethoven at an early age increases one's acoustic intelligence later on in life?

In any case, what was wrong with that comment exactly?
Beethoven not gangsta enough for u?

 

[OG Talk]

Worry about your own kids. Can't save other people kids. Save yourself the trouble of trying to figure out something that has no answer.

Naw man as cliche as it sounds it really does take a village..