Lupe Fiasco VS Talib Kweli..Twitter Beef

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where the parents at :wtf: Before I heard any rap song some rules were instilled in me so later when I was a young'n listening to Pac, Big, Nas, DMX as violent as some of the lyrics were I had enough sense to know to take music for what it was entertainment...this shyt like wrestling...at one point thought it was real then u grow older and like :shaq2: ...if music raising your kids then :childplease:


of course i could get into the unjust imprisonment of black males leaving behind kids looking for a father figure/idol and finding them in the rap artists in it to make it rich by any means...but thats just too much work :lolbron:
 

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What was wrong with the Beethoven comment?
Do you know it's proven that listening to Beethoven at an early age increases one's acoustic intelligence later on in life?

In any case, what was wrong with that comment exactly?
Beethoven not gangsta enough for u?

If I gotta tell u what was wrong with the CONTEXT of that comment than its pointless to explain it... it was mad smug and elitist..and I have NO problem with Beethoven...but im pretty sure there's PLENTY of violent people who listen to classical music exclusively...
 

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lupe (a lot like bill cosby is this regard) doesnt seem to realize hes speaking from an exceptional place. he's an exception...meaning his way of thinking is not going to just come natural or easy to the average person just because it makes the most amount of sense...

i understand where hes coming from, but you cant just expect people to know. thats where talib is coming from, teach...guide. give people the information first, then hold them accountable. not the other way around
 

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Rap music or any other form of entertainment are not the problem. First to blame is the parents. With proper guidance kids know right from wrong and they understand the difference between entertainment and reality. Second is society. Life is tough and unforgiving. For a lot of these kids violence and crime is their reality regardless of what they are listening to or watching on TV. So when the entertainment reflects their reality they begin to confuse the two. Also the media is part to blame. They push the worst of the worst to the kids. They ignore artists like talib Kweli, but they put 2chainz all over the radio. Artists should be free to make whatever music they want, but there is a proper context for everything. Niki minaj can talk about being a slore as much as she wants to, but the Disney channel shouldn't be promoting her music to 10 year olds.
 
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The funny thing is that a lot of Lupe's lyrical content is something I can relate too because my own father was in my life and taught me these specific lessons before Lupe ever came along. In my opinion Lupe's entire discography is heavily influenced by the life lessons his father instilled in him, which makes Talib's point even more poignant. I grew up in a nieghborhood, which wasn't even a "hood", where my father was the ONLY father on the block. All the other kids lived within single mother situations. This really allowed me to see how fortunate I was to have my father teach me things that other children never learned. Alotof the bboys my age were influenced heavily by Pac, Biggie, Nas, Bone Thugs, etc
The music "grew them up" and their mindstates were a reflection of that music's message. Now one could draw parralels to the nevagivity of the music influencing my generation for the worse, however, the only reason I knew any better was because my father TAUGHT me right from wrong, TAUGHT me knowledge of self, TAUGHT me self pride, and guided me along my adolescence. Neither Beethoven nor Nas could inspire me against what I was taught because the foundation had already been laid.

Where there is no foundation. There is no structure.

Many rappers come from the exact same fatherless background. They are only putting out what they've learned through trial and error. Hip Hop is a reflection of their own experiences, pain, anger, strife, confusion, ignorance, and aggression. How can we in turn blame them for "ruining the community" when they themselves were taught no other way? Violence, misygonism, ignorance, and the like in music is a mixture of two things, the artists ignorance of their own negative influence and the industry's willingness to exploit and pander to that mind state. How many POSITIVE or conscious rappers do you see being promoted in mainstream Hip Hop today? Nas, Lupe Fiasco, and I'll throw Kendrick Lamar and J.Cole into the mix as well. There's not much of a balance being promoted at all, so even if children COULD be positively influenced by the music it won't happen because instead of Distant Relatives, Gutter Rainbows, The Greatest Story Never Told, or How I Got Over being promoted on radio and television; its Long as my bytches love me, beez in the trap, and Birthday.Song 24/7

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that's a bit of a reach to say a 2 parent household is better than a single. I don't agree with that.

Overall I agree with Lupe more so than Talib. Good parenting will only get you so far, the influences you face on a day to day outside of the crib (on average you are not at home for most of the day) could possibly be greater than what you get at home.
 
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Another point that I feel needs to be taken into account is that even these so called "negative rappers" have made various positive contributions both as influences and to the Hip Hop culture that go overlooked by the mainstream media. And even as examples themselves they should be commended for influencing other rappers to become successful instead of going down a pathway towards death or prison. Think about the rappers who have been inspired to follow in Nas, Jay-Z, Pac, and Biggie's footsteps. Kendrick Lamar, Drake, J.Cole, Rick Ross, Jay Electronica, Kanye West, Game, 50 Cent, Blu, Fashawn, Big Sean, Wacka Flocka, Pusha-T, Kid Cudi, Wale, TI, Lil Wayne, Tyga, Saigon, Joe Budden and COUNTLESS other black men and women who have chosen to take their experiences and put them towards music in place of the trap, the streets, the game, or the hustle. Lupe made an extremely poignant statement when he wrote Hip Hop Saved My Life, this culture, through its ups and downs has literally SAVED the lives of many black people, and these rappers who serve as the face of the genre should be commended as much as they are condemned for this very fact alone...

50 Cent grew up without a father, but he himself raises and provides for his son. This is an example of positivity. This can be looked at as 50 providing a "positive influence" for black fathers, whom might not have had their own father figures, but can still prove to be responsible fathers in their own right.

Nas promoted as his LEAD SINGLE an ode to raising his father daughter. Bill O'Reilly would condemn Nas for being arrested for gun possession (when he was 21 years old and living in one of the most dangerous housing projects in New York) but who will commend him for positively speaking on the challenges and triumphs of fatherhood? Is this NOT a "positive" example of potential influence?

Jay-Z grew up half his life without his father, but he actually waited to get MARRIED to have children, married a successful, intelligent, respected black woman (who herself is seen as a role model) and by all accounts is a responsible and loving husband and father. Is this NOT the ULTIMATE example of positive influence from the most popular artist in the genre?

Andre 3000 and Big Boi are both noted and proud fathers who provide positive influence in the manner with which they carry themselves publically and privately. You never hear about groupie scandals, child support issues, or legal issues from these two. Is this not a positive way of leading ones life? Could this not be championed as positive influence?


The point is that the positive aspects of many of the most famous rappers are not properly put into perspective or given spotlight. A rapper like Common who is upheld as a positive role model and influence through his lyrics and lifestyle choices should be championed, but so should the positive aspects of 50, Jay-Z, and even Lil Wayne, who despite fathering damn near 50 children, has by all accounts supported his children and been a part of their lives. NONE of the mothers of Lil Wayne's children have a bad thing to say about him, which should speak volumes.


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If I gotta tell u what was wrong with the CONTEXT of that comment than its pointless to explain it... it was mad smug and elitist..and I have NO problem with Beethoven...but im pretty sure there's PLENTY of violent people who listen to classical music exclusively...


Hitler loved classical music.
And the Nazi's used it as a way to
show aryan superiority.
Of course they felt stupid when it came out Johann Strauss
had jewish roots :sadcam:


Johann Strauss


Just as Hitler used the work of Richard Wagner to provide a collective anthem for the Third Reich, Hitler also appropriated the music of Strauss and Franz Lehar, composer of "The Merry Widow." They soon became inextricably associated with Nazi Germany's cultural pageants.

Lehar's Jewish roots, like those of Strauss, were never acknowledged by Hitler, who reportedly told critics: "I decide who is Jewish."

Jewish roots of composer Johann Strauss emerging | j. the Jewish news weekly of Northern California

Richard Wagner

Richard Wagner (1818-1883) was Hitler's favorite composer.

Music Approved of by the Third Reich

Music and the Holocaust:*Wagner, Richard

The Controversy Over Richard Wagner

The dude who quoted you just isn't a very bright poster :yeshrug:

On topic :
A big influence on children next to parents is said
to be their peers. Some even believe the influence
of a child's parent can be trumped by peer pressure and a need to
fit in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1549711/Children-learn-most-from-peers-not-parents.html


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-01/asu-cpr012406.php

http://www.education.com/reference/article/peer-group-influence/

I think we need to move away from blaming entertainment personally and start
focusing on these individuals and the things they face on the daily.
This whole :sadcam: "It's gangster raps fault !" stance is no different in my
eyes than blaming Heavy Metal, Comic books, Movies, plays etc.


I would say Chief Keef is a direct result of his environment before Gucci and Waka flocka
I mean look at the company the kid keeps, he'd have been chief keef is Gucci and Waka Flocka
never even existed.
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