Mahomes is top-4 all time

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Mahomes can have all the regular season records, which Tom currently holds. shyt, he's even got a better playoff Passer Rating. But he started in a different era with the benefit of always having Kelce and, until this year, Hill. Tom didn't get that level of weaponry till 2007 with a 30 year old Randy Moss and 2010 with Gronk, who is the most dominant TE ever, despite the injury history. Despite those advantages, he lost to Tom in the AFC Championship and the Super Bowl.

Mahomes now has a 79.7 Passer Rating in his 3 Super Bowls with 5 TD and 4 Picks . Tom, in his 10 Super Bowls, has a 97.7 Passer Rating with 21 TD to 6 Picks.

If u wanna just stick to their first 3 Super Bowls, Tom has a 99.9 Passer Rating with 6 TD to 1 Pick. His ratings went up in each SB: 86.2, 100.5, 110.2. :banderas:

We can't forget that Tom started 10-0 in the playoffs. Pat lost his second game to...Tom Brady. His next playoff defeat? To...Tom Brady. That's what makes Tom the Greatest to ever do it.

He's out played Brady in all those losses
 

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Thats actually false. Besides when he became washed, most of his playoff stinkers came as a young QB or against Bill.

41-0 vs the jets
24-14 vs pats
20-3 vs the pats
Seattle SB
6int game vs chargers

The rest hes been pretty good to great and had bad luck ruin his chances
Facts that's what I been saying this myth that Peyton was bad in the playoffs is bullshyt
 

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We should be arguing most talented QB.

he's the most talented but also has the hardware to back it up.

Dan was the most talented during his time but never got a ring.

Then came Aaron Rodgers....but he only got 1 ring.

Pat has bested both of them not only having 2 rings, but 2 Regular Season MVPs, and 2 Super Bowl MVPs while being the most talented.

Those 3 were clearly the most talented QBs I've ever seen play but Pat is the one.

He's carrying these teams whereas you couldn't say the same for Tom's first Superbowl wins. But 2 is not enough to eclipse Tom for me even though he is better.

Him being black also is not gonna help the haters. Cacs tried to put Allen, Herbert, Joe Burrow (do fux with Burrow) on Pat's level but there's a separation.

This man has not played a road playoff game in 5 years as a starting QB. That's fukkin retarded man.


We claimin Pat, he knows he's black, and claims his blackness. :yeshrug:
 

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Mahomes different :wow:

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I don;t remember the seaswon, but that one season where he had that QB battale against the chiefs was the best I think he ever played. 2004 i think. I legit believe breh was going to go all the way that season. He let me down so many times
Peyton’s 2004 season was wayyyy better than 2013. No bias at all. But seriously though. 10% of his throws were touchdowns. Bro could’ve thrown for 60 TDs that season if he wasn’t pulled from games. :mindblown:
 

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Him being black also is not gonna help the haters. Cacs tried to put Allen, Herbert, Joe Burrow (do fux with Burrow) on Pat's level but there's a separation.

This man has not played a road playoff game in 5 years as a starting QB. That's fukkin retarded man.


Despite being a black QB. Patrick gets his respect even by haters.

It's something you can't deny

I see alot of people all over the net holding him up and putting him at no less than top 3 QBs.

This game was good and both QBs got great reception from it.
 

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:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:trade up to draft Mitch Turbisky meanwhile a top 2 (He's better than Montana and I'd take him over Manning as well) all time QB is in the draft.
One of the all time greatest overthink, dumb GM decisions ever. Not even in hindsight, Trubisky college resume wasn’t even that impressive. I can’t even imagine Pat in Chicago though so it worked out. Andy Reid found his perfect QB.
 

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It's extremely premature to put Mahomes in GOAT conversations rn. Brady had to win 4 rings before he even seriously started getting put in those convos. Top 5 QB of all time isn't a stretch at all though. He's one of the best to ever do it and if he can keep up this current pace when it's all said and done this will be a whole different convo.
That's how you know Brady wasn't really on that level eye test wise
 
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One of the all time greatest overthink, dumb GM decisions ever. Not even in hindsight, Trubisky college resume wasn’t even that impressive. I can’t even imagine Pat in Chicago though so it worked out. Andy Reid found his perfect QB.
Bears org would still be fukking up his career and we'd be talking about how Mahomes just puts up #'s in the regular season...or still needs weapons.
 

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I don't think we can shoo off the longevity like that. As that Twitter post you linked says, both Marino and Unitas peaked really early and weren't the same by the time they were a decade in (I just pointed this out about Marino in a thread a week or two ago). These guys were transcendent players who revolutionized the position for their eras (same way Pat is doing)---->Johnny U played 18 years and the last six of those years was on a consistent decline...

Marino played 17 years and same thing, last six or seven years was on a steady decline...

This is also why I've always cautioned to pump the brakes on Mahomes, we HAVE seen this before. What he is to our eyes is what Unitas was to the eyes watching him in real time, and the eyes watching Marino, then Favre, then Manning, then Rodgers after that. Fair enough point that Mahomes' playoff production is already separating itself from most guys, but the longevity is another qualifier that separates players at that uppermost tier...

Back to Unitas real quick, he gets left out of most discussions, probably because he retired 50 years ago and he's been dead for 20 years. Probably 95%+ of football fans alive today never saw him play a down, and the few remaining who did see him, half of them probably can't remember him with clarity; my dad is 58 in April, says he started watching ball in '70 or '71, and while he remembers "hearing about" Unitas as a kid, says he has no memory of ever seeing a Unitas snap or game...

Unitas won three chips and three MVPs, if this is an accolade count, Mahomes is still behind him, too. He should be in everyone's Top 10 and has a case as a Top 5 GOAT, and if you weight everyone's play for the era in which they played, he was Mahomes in his generation...

Favre was a touchdown away from being a 2x champ in Y7, and he was great in The Bowl he lost. If he wins in '97 and is a 2x champ the legacy narrative on him is much greater than it is...

Rodgers' longevity in being an elite quarterback, in addition to the actual skillset and play, are going to keep him in a conversation with Mahomes for awhile...

Longevity matters. It isn't the only thing that matters, we all agree on that, but neither is ring count, otherwise Eli and others would be in these conversations...

Also, the mountain to catch up ultimately to Montana and Brady isn't about reaching a certain number of rings, I've been adamant on that. He certainly has to win more, but he has to have the kind of performances they put on in the Super Bowl. Mahomes has played in three, gotten a little better with each successive one, and yesterday was his cleanest, most consistent Super Bowl to date, he was great...

It wasn't an All-Time performance, he's played in 3 and we've yet to get an iconic Super Bowl from him. This isn't as significant compared to the other Top 10 GOATs we talk about, because most of them don't have that kind of SB performance either----->but Brady and Montana do, and they both have MULTIPLE All-Time SB performances...

Mahomes is three Bowls in with zero to date. It's a factor with those two guys along with everything else, at some point we're going to need that from him even if in a loss (like '17 Brady)...

This was a a iconic Superbowl from him
 

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Easily top 4, you can debate Peyton and Mahomes.
Pat is 27 though, barring any major injuries and he maintains his elite play, he could easily be in the #2 spot ahead of Montana.

As a Rodgers fan though, this infuriates me cause he could’ve easily been in this discussion too.
Facts I wish he would of left green Bay along time ago
 
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