Mahomes Legacy Tracker..

[Bboystyle]

I'm not measuring Manning by his rings, otherwise why would I say a guy with 2 rings is a GOAT3 quarterback? There's more than 3 guys with more rings than Manning...

I'm not measuring him by his rings clearly, but what I am saying is Manning had an 18-year career and won two rings. I don't think Mahomes has hit a higher peak than Manning, and clearly he hasn't held this level of absurd play even half as long yet, as Manning did. But I can't deny a guy who doubles Manning's ring count in as long or fewer time than Manning played, as he's already more consistently great in the postseason than Manning was...

3 wont do it for me. 4 will...

This doesnt even happen in the NBA, Mike doesnt have the most rings ever...

I think with Brady alot of people will bring up how he was 2-0 vs Mahomes in the postseason, too. That's not something Mahomes will ever shake...

However, continuing to own his era the way he is, draws him closer to Brady each year...



These "eye test" nikkas are tge worst posters on here. We literally have dudes who say Mahomes is the best passer or most athletic QB they've seen, which is objectively false. Guys call him the most clutch player ever, how quickly forget this guy choking an 11-point lead at home in the AFC Championship. I know a guy who never did that...

How quickly they forget him in the Super Bowl he lost, he was bad. Yes his o-line was bad, he had some guys drop some passes too, but he was not "good" in the Super Bowl vs Tampa. But nikkas on here call him the "most" everything...

I'll revisit where he stands next to Brady in a half-decade if he keeps this dominance up. Until then I'm not entertaining a "better than Brady" conversation and I'm only lightly entertaining a "better than Montana/Manning" conversation. He's closer to them, but there's a pretty significant gap between him and Brady...

it's literally not even close yet, it's not going to be close with a 3rd ring, either...

Who deserved it more in 2016? MVP isn't overrated...

So u pick and choosing then. Manning played 18 years but not all of them were great. And his playoff performance/stats was ASS. Mahomes is better than Manning, no questions asks. Longevity doesnt equal greatness. Thats a big knock on Favre too who played for 18+ years and piled all these records playing gun slinger. Josh Allen will be like Favre in terms of stats if he plays as long as Favre did. Manning was the regular season GOD but turned human in the playoffs.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Definitely. MJ was the exception. Mahomes is dominsnt, but he is not MJ and Gretzky. They were doing things never seen. Mahomes is not the most sthletically gifted QB, he is not the best pocket surgeon, either. He is the best blend of both, though. According to advanced stats( ina sport where rules change and stats change) Brady, Manning and Rodgers are king. In the NHK, it was Gretzky, by far. Same with MJ. I agree, that you dont know need more rings necessarily.

Cac talking about hockey

 

[Arris]

He doesn't get rattled? This isn't true, did you see Super Bowl 55 or the 2021 AFC Championship Game?

Now, maybe he's overcome that, the ability for him to even be rattled. LeBron did, he had his 2011 moment and was lights out after that. Time will tell, but we were literally watching Mahomes two years ago play inexplicably bad, choking in real time. Why am I the only person who remembers this? it wasn't 20 years ago...

If he's overcome that, if it's not even possible to rattle him anymore, he could climb higher in this GOAT shyt for me more rapidly. I don't know that about him yet...

good consistent pressure will rattle any quarterback it was a general statement. every position needs help to be elite, that goes without saying

 

[premier58]

Cac talking about hockey

Im from the Eastside of Detroit, fukk outta here with that "cac" shyt.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

Im from the Eastside of Detroit, fukk outta here with that "cac" shyt.

Im from Los Angeles west of the 605 my fam from gratiot

 

[FTBS]

He doesn't get rattled? This isn't true, did you see Super Bowl 55 or the 2021 AFC Championship Game?

Now, maybe he's overcome that, the ability for him to even be rattled. LeBron did, he had his 2011 moment and was lights out after that. Time will tell, but we were literally watching Mahomes two years ago play inexplicably bad, choking in real time. Why am I the only person who remembers this? it wasn't 20 years ago...

If he's overcome that, if it's not even possible to rattle him anymore, he could climb higher in this GOAT shyt for me more rapidly. I don't know that about him yet...

Every QB has had bad games or been overwhelmed. The fact that you can only name 2 out of 17 to begin his career and in one he didnt have an o-line against an absolutely stacked Bucs team (talk about things that are forgotten) says something.

Time will tell? No one is talking about the Bengals game because he has won a SB and advanced to another in the time since. Why would that still be belabored after that? What more could he have done in this time?


Anybody, including Brady, can be rattled or have a bad day. Lets leave the superhuman ridiculous standards to retire with Bron.

 

[murksiderock]

So u pick and choosing then. Manning played 18 years but not all of them were great. And his playoff performance/stats was ASS. Mahomes is better than Manning, no questions asks. Longevity doesnt equal greatness. Thats a big knock on Favre too who played for 18+ years and piled all these records playing gun slinger. Josh Allen will be like Favre in terms of stats if he plays as long as Favre did. Manning was the regular season GOD but turned human in the playoffs.

It's because Manning was superhuman in the regular season, that he can stay in this convo. No every year wasn't excellent, who has a great year every season of their career? This wasn't a great year by Patrick Mahomes ...

I'm more objective than most people here. The fact that Manning routinely went south in January is why he could never be the GOAT. It's why even though I think he was a better player than Montana, I can't in good faith rank him historically higher than a guy who was significantly better than Manning in the playoffs, AND doubled his ring count...

I don't even factor in Manning's last ring into my analysis of him, it's Y2 to Y17 that he was eating shyt up and he only won 1 ring in that stretch, but he was so absurdly dominant at his peak, I can't say a guy who is just 7 years into his career, belongs higher than a guy a believe had the highest peak from a quarterback in league history; held that peak play longer than everyone; and was a consistent winner...

Manning in his prime led The League in TDs 4x, led The League in yards 3x, led The League in passer rating 3x, led The League in completion percentage 2x. That's 12 times leading the NFL in a permier quarterback category. Mahomes has currently led the NFL 3x in something (twice in touchdowns, once in yards)...

It's like what are we talking about here? The fact Mahomes is deserving of a conversation with Peyton Manning says everything about how great Mahomes is so soon. But to me, when I'm comparing guys across eras, the degree of dominance matters. I detailed in a recent thread how Mahomes' run started at a very advantageous point, when old era guys were heading towards retirement, and his era peers were either as yet undrafted, or not yet into their respective primes...

I'm very clear bro, there's a gap between Mahomes and everyone else, but he's now entering a phase where there's a bunch of guys, it's about to be very similar to the era Peyton and Brady dominated. Just real quarterbacks everywhere, it really hasn't been that for Pat, and kudos to him for taking advantage of that void. But he hasn't yet just dominated a league with elite quarterback play league-wide. And unlike Manning, there isn't any skill or statistical separation from Mahomes to the closest guys...

 

[murksiderock]

Every QB has had bad games or been overwhelmed. The fact that you can only name 2 out of 17 to begin his career and in one he didnt have an o-line against an absolutely stacked Bucs team (talk about things that are forgotten) says something.

Time will tell? No one is talking about the Bengals game because he has won a SB and advanced to another in the time since. Why would that still be belabored after that? What more could he have done in this time?


Anybody, including Brady, can be rattled or have a bad day. Lets leave the superhuman ridiculous standards to retire with Bron.

I'm not coming with superhuman standards, you saw me respond to someone who says he doesn't get rattled. If by your own admission any quarterback can get rattled then why not call out the assertions by so many here that Mahomes doesn't?

Even if you excuse the SB loss, the AFCCG loss to Cincy wasn't vs some stacked overwhelming defense...

 

[FTBS]

I'm not coming with superhuman standards, you saw me respond to someone who says he doesn't get rattled...

I highly doubt they were being literal. Thats like saying "He doesnt miss" or "He always wins/comes through."

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Btw I’m putting him in the goat convos just for the strength his pops a real nikka

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Anybody, including Brady, can be rattled or have a bad day.

See vs the NYG in BOTH Super Bowls. It happens to everyone

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

The nerds ruin every sport.

Craig Biggios 1996 campaign, with his .445 delta lambda bases per lunar year coefficient conversion rate was statistic speaking the single greatest year of baseball played in the last 100 years.

nikkas wanna use them shyts till they go against you. See Dan Campbell! Couldn’t tell you how many times one of these “well the next gen stats say it’s best to go for it when you’re in plus side territory.” Then when it doesn’t work, “idiot!!! Why didn’t you go for the FGs??!!”

 

[Jplaya2023]

Let's be honest, Peyton was a way better RS player than Brady. Brady is the Goat in the playoffs. Peyton system malfunctions in the playoffs

Is it the system malfunctions or does the weaknesses of his teams (that he can hide on the regular season) get exposed?

 

[premier58]

Im from Los Angeles west of the 605 my fam from gratiot

Damn!! I lived everywhete. Van Dyke and Stockton, Van Dyke and Harper, Gratiot and Gitre, Jefferson Square etc..

 

[Jplaya2023]

For this Mahomes/Brady thing, I dont think it's fair to compare Brady from his first 3 rings to Mahomes starting his career for a few reasons.

1. The rules are miles apart from 2000 than they were in 2018.
2. Brady wasn't asked to do what Mahomes was asked to do as younger players for their respective teams.

If you want to really compare the 2, Start from.2007 Brady (the year he threw fiddy TDs) to 2018 Mahomes (the year he threw fiddy)..

We know Tom aint win from 07-13, so if you wanted an even fairer comparison compare 2014-2020 Tom to 2018-2023 Mahomes

The rules from 2014 (the seattle SB year) and also 2018 were basically the same for the most part.

Tom 2014-2020 = 6 AFC/NFC conference title games , 5SB appearences, 4 SB wins, 3SB MVPs. 1 MVP, 1 All Pro

Mahomes 2018-2023 = 6 AFC conference title games, 4SB appearences, 2 SB wins (Lets hope this stays at 2), 2SB MVPS. 2 MVPs, 2X All Pro

Please keep in mind in that model Brady has played 1 more season in that time frame.