Man Acquitted Of Murdering Drunk Driver That Killed His Kids

[Kritic]

The court made their decision

On a semi related note, can't wait till automated cars come out and serial drunk drivers are forced to use them.

slow down. your moving a little too fast.

we have to see how it affects the auto industry, alcohol industry first, and how they can make money. and the economy as a whole.. then the safety of the people last.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

slow down. your moving a little too fast.

we have to see how it affects the auto industry, alcohol industry first, and how they can make money. and the economy as a whole.. then the safety of the people last.

O there is money to be made. For the auto industry a new tech = more money. For the alcohol industry this encourages alcoholism. For the economy it will free up money from DUI cases and medical/funeral bills for the victims, as well as lower auto insurance rates. Etc. etc. Theres def guap in it, its just a matter of the technology maturing and govt letting it do what it do.

 

[Kritic]

O there is money to be made. For the auto industry a new tech = more money. For the alcohol industry this encourages alcoholism. For the economy it will free up money from DUI cases and medical/funeral bills for the victims, as well as lower auto insurance rates. Etc. etc. Theres def guap in it, its just a matter of the technology maturing and govt letting it do what it do.

but doesn't a dui get about $5,000 out of someone when it's all set and done and enslave them...

how do insurance companies eat off this too...

it's gonna be all these ppl in one car. one car . that's $15,000 easy money that the economy could use...

then accidents, auto repairs. i'm not so sure this technology is good for the economy ...

 

[Liu Kang]

Legitimating vengeance is bad for a democracy. As hard as it is, no civilized country should have had that type of judgement.

It's easy to say something like this when it's not your own sons that were killed, if the situation happened to you, and some drunk dude stumbled out his car holding a Budweiser you'd probably kill him too. It's a natural reaction

Yes it's easy to say that but it's the civilized thing to do.
Obviously, when this type of stuff hits home all type of law-abeyance or moral gets thrown at the window but that's the reason why we have governments or justice courts : to avoid jungle law. Obviously, we all would have done the same as the father but what we do as an individual is up to us alone illegal or not. Laws are for the good of the community and the community should have punished him because what he did was cold-blooded murder, let's be honest. Hopefully it's only one judgement but still, he should have been convinced of murder and judge should have been lenient (probation for example). Not a good call imo.

 

[Malta]

Legitimating vengeance is bad for a democracy. As hard as it is, no civilized country should have had that type of judgement.

Yes it's easy to say that but it's the civilized thing to do.
Obviously, when this type of stuff hits home all type of law-abeyance or moral gets thrown at the window but that's the reason why we have governments or justice courts : to avoid jungle law. Obviously, we all would have done the same as the father but what we do as an individual is up to us alone illegal or not. Laws are for the good of the community and the community should have punished him because what he did was cold-blooded murder, let's be honest. Hopefully it's only one judgement but still, he should have been convinced of murder and judge should have been lenient (probation for example). Not a good call imo.

The world isn't a civilized place to begin with and I wouldn't care about perception if my children were killed by a drunk driver, I'd just want that person dead. Putting them in prison for life wouldn't be enough (drunk drivers rarely get life sentences to begin with) I'd want them in the dirt and if it meant I had to do it myself then so be it

 

[Atlrocafella]

definitely a slippery slope. I mean I understand it, but we just can't start having vigilante justice and allowing it to go unchecked.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

It's not justice but....fukk...I can't say I'm not ok with it.

But if that father was Black

 

[Liu Kang]

The world isn't a civilized place to begin with and I wouldn't care about perception if my children were killed by a drunk driver, I'd just want that person dead. Putting them in prison for life wouldn't be enough (drunk drivers rarely get life sentences to begin with) I'd want them in the dirt and if it meant I had to do it myself then so be it

I'm not disagreeing with you on how one would react personally (everybody would want the driver dead indeed). I'm just saying that whether you want him dead or not as an individual has no importance on how society should judge you. That you would kill the driver, it's your decision and that's your own life, you do what you think is best. But the court should judge you as a murderer (in that case) whether your reaction is legitimate (as a parent) or not (as a citizen). There are been cases like that everywhere that were well handled (as I consider this one badly done) and where the "avenger" got convicted and simply received a symbolic judgement (light jail sentence or long probation for example) off principle.

 

[Danie84]

Good the father got off, his children's death is his lifelong imprisonment

 

[Malta]

I'm not disagreeing with you on how one would react personally (everybody would want the driver dead indeed). I'm just saying that whether you want him dead or not as an individual has no importance on how society should judge you. That you would kill the driver, it's your decision and that's your own life, you do what you think is best. But the court should judge you as a murderer (in that case) whether your reaction is legitimate (as a parent) or not (as a citizen). There are been cases like that everywhere that were well handled (as I consider this one badly done) and where the "avenger" got convicted and simply received a symbolic judgement (light jail sentence or long probation for example) off principle.

Here's the problem, the penalty for murder would be much more stiff than the penalty for vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, the guy that killed this mans children could have been in prison for as little as 2 years. How exactly is that fair? last year a 16 year old kid killed 4 people while driving drunk, he didn't do a single day in prison. The law isn't stiff enough for people that drive drunk, the drunk driver would have faced manslaughter charges, when really driving drunk and killing someone should be handled the same as 1st degree murder. My breh, you're speaking about how things should work as opposed to how they actually do, I know you're from a more civilized country than the US...our society seems to be fine with people killing to protect or avenge their children and it's one of the things I don't disagree with here.

 

[Digga38]

It's not justice but....fukk...I can't say I'm not ok with it.

But if that father was Black

lol do you even have to say it

 

[Liu Kang]

Here's the problem, the penalty for murder would be much more stiff than the penalty for vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated, the guy that killed this mans children could have been in prison for as little as 2 years. How exactly is that fair? last year a 16 year old kid killed 4 people while driving drunk, he didn't do a single day in prison. The law isn't stiff enough for people that drive drunk, the drunk driver would have faced manslaughter charges, when really driving drunk and killing someone should be handled the same as 1st degree murder. My breh, you're speaking about how things should work as opposed to how they actually do, I know you're from a more civilized country than the US...our society seems to be fine with people killing to protect or avenge their children and it's one of the things I don't disagree with here.

No, the real problem is that because you consider vehicular manslaughter sentences too low, it should legitimate the murder of the drunk driver or at least make it fair. I agree that 2 years is way too low for what should be a crime (if it's not already in US books) and for which sentence should be way harder and close (I don't know the US legal terms) manslaughter/murder ones. But how does it legitimate his murder ? Because that sentence is objectively too low, killing the man is only right/fair ? So should the parents/family of the drunk driver go at the father for killing their son who should have been lawfully convicted by a court for his crime and would have still been alive ? Where does revenge stop ?

Murder (not talking about self-defense obviously) should never be legal (and for such I am anti-death penalty too but that's another debate) no matter what are the circumstances. He got away free but should have been convicted and the sentence should have been light because of the circumstances. It's all in the symbol : him getting free is telling that the citizens have the right to kill even if it's just "revenge". Him being convicted + lenient sentence would have tell another story : murder is not tolerated but we can understand why he did that.

PS : I never stated nor assumed that my country was more civilized than yours

 

[Malta]

No, the real problem is that because you consider vehicular manslaughter sentences too low, it should legitimate the murder of the drunk driver or at least make it fair. I agree that 2 years is way too low for what should be a crime (if it's not already in US books) and for which sentence should be way harder and close (I don't know the US legal terms) manslaughter/murder ones. But how does it legitimate his murder ? Because that sentence is objectively too low, killing the man is only right/fair ? So should the parents/family of the drunk driver go at the father for killing their son who should have been lawfully convicted by a court for his crime and would have still been alive ? Where does revenge stop ?

Yes, killing the man is right and fair in my opinion, regardless of the sentencing The deaths of those two children (11 and 12 years old) could have been avoided, but his complete lack of respect for the well being of others is why he's dead and I have no problem with how the father handled it. I brought up the penalties of DUI to highlight the fact the system is broken more than anything else and justice would not have been served, justice is a life sentence without possibility of parole, and that wouldn't be on the table. So, the alternative is him being shot and killed at the scene.

If his parents want to take revenge, tell em like the Bride told Vernita Greens daughter -

It was not my intention to do this in front of you. For that I'm sorry. But you can take my word for it, your mother had it comin'. When you grow up, if you still feel raw about it, I'll be waiting.

Murder (not talking about self-defense obviously) should never be legal (and for such I am anti-death penalty too but that's another debate) no matter what are the circumstances. He got away free but should have been convicted and the sentence should have been light because of the circumstances. It's all in the symbol : him getting free is telling that the citizens have the right to kill even if it's just "revenge". Him being convicted + lenient sentence would have tell another story : murder is not tolerated but we can understand why he did that.

There are times when murder is acceptable beyond self defense, you molest someones child and you're caught by the parent, your brains get splattered across the wall then it's status to me. Nah, this man going free is more or less a case of to all the drunk drivers out there. The punishment for DUI & killing someone is not severe which is why we have so many instances of it in this country. This man should not be convicted, a symbolic conviction+ light sentence just makes a mockery out of the system you're talking about.

PS : I never stated nor assumed that my country was more civilized than yours

You do live in a more civilized country, I wasn't being sarcastic If you kill someone where I'm from then you better be ready for that get back, just how it works.

 

[bzb]

i'm ain't saying he shoulda killed him (if he did), but i understand...

and if my kids were killed right in front of me don't know what i'd do. probably black out and fly into a fit of despair, sorrow and rage.

 

[jadillac]

Terrible decision.

Sorry but this isn't how a civilized society is supposed to handle things.

The guy should have been convicted of vehicular manslaughter......not executed in the middle of the street.

So they guy deserved to run over 2 innocent children, kill them while beign irresponsible, then have a right to a trial where it's theoretically possible he could get off or find some loophole for a light sentence?

I bet if every DRUNK driver knew they might get blasted with a shotgun, I bet they'd stop, no?