Man if they don't give the MVP to Kawhi

[DIMES]

BRON HAS NEVER BEEN THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE NBA.




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Dahell. The year Marc Gasol won it people were saying voter fatigue made bron not get one

 

[Tookalossfellbackcameback]

Jordan and Dream are the only players to ever achieve that. To me it's the highest level a player can reach...because he's dominating the whole floor.

Which is what kawhi is doing now on a night to night basis.

It's a damn shame they robbed Bron in 13 for his Dpoy after he anchored that entire Heat defense. He deserved to be on that rarified list

Bron didn't anchor shyt...that Miami defense was built around the versatility of Bosh. His wingspan and mobility gave Spo the flexibility to switch, hedge and still deny the lane because Bosh was smart and could move so well.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

How'n the fukk did the Spurs get this guy?

 

[duckbutta]

The craziest thing about his numbers is that he is playing with dead weight on the perimeter...

Danny Green is a bottom 20 player in the league...can't dribble...can't pass...streaky shooter...can't make 2 free throws a game...

Parker had his 1 good game tonight...he going to spend the next two weeks scoring a total of 30 points...

Patty is a pure shooter but rarely attacks the rim...

Manu is 39...

Simmons is up and down...playing pretty bad lately...

Kyle Anderson is pretty much out of the rotation...

Murray is a rookie and really up and down...he might legit be the second best perimeter player on this team already...

Look at the last 3 minutes of this rocket game...you will see danny green running around wide open...rockets didn't care to guard him...nobody on the spurs cared to give him the ball...

When Dejounte gets the keys to the kingdom and becomes a dynamic offensive player Kawhi's efficiency is going to be

 

[soulfuljah]

How'n the fukk did the Spurs get this guy?

Best front office in the NBA breh. Gotta thank the Pacers at least once a season tho.

 

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Bron didn't anchor shyt...that Miami defense was built around the versatility of Bosh. His wingspan and mobility gave Spo the flexibility to switch, hedge and still deny the lane because Bosh was smart and could move so well.

Did you watch the Heat play back then? Bosh was a great pick n roll defender sure...but that defense doesn't work close to the level that it did without Bron"s defensive versatility. Back then he would guard 1-4 nightly....and some 5s even.

Many nights you would see Bron switch between guarding a teams best perimeter player and protecting the paint. In the finals vs the Spurs he would guard Tony Parker for stretches while still intermittently collapsing the paint on the weak side against Duncan

There isn't a player in history with that kind of defensive versatility

 

[Styles]

MVP in my opinion and thats coming from a Htown breh.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

There isn't a player in history with that kind of defensive versatility

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Did you watch the Heat play back then? Bosh was a great pick n roll defender sure...but that defense doesn't work close to the level that it did without Bron"s defensive versatility. Back then he would guard 1-4 nightly....and some 5s even.

Many nights you would see Bron switch between guarding a teams best perimeter player and protecting the paint. In the finals vs the Spurs he would guard Tony Parker for stretches while still intermittently collapsing the paint on the weak side against Duncan

There isn't a player in history with that kind of defensive versatility

Draymond's defensive versatility > LeBron's. And it's not even close.

 

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Draymond's defensive versatility > LeBron's. And it's not even close.

Not even close you say? Maybe you're talking about current Lebron. Because if you're talking about Lebron in Miami during his Mvp years that would be asinine statement.

Dray is great and certainly comparable but he's bigger at guarding bigs than guards...while Lebron could clamp even speedy little guards. And Dray also isn't the shot blocker than Lebron is.

His metrics certainly don't indicate that Lebron "isn't even close"

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

So why the Spurs gotta get the first seed for Kawhi to win the MVP but Harden is the fav in the third seed

 

[KOBE]

BRON HAS NEVER BEEN THE BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN THE NBA.




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But he plays passing lanes to get steals and does chase down blocks. Are you telling me there's more to defense than highlights?

 

[LeMAO]

Dahell. The year Marc Gasol won it people were saying voter fatigue made bron not get one

vote fatigue ? the hype fatigue maybe. while Kawhi guarding the best player of the opposing team Lebron guarding point guards..

 

[Mars]

Kawhi & Green are great defensive players.However,in all fairness to Lebron,he has more responsibility on offense than the two aforementioned players.Lebron is averaging 16 more pts than green on higher shooting percentages across the board.Lebron is averaging 2 more reb and 5 more asst than Kawhi on higher fg & 3ptfg shooting.Lebron is also the primary ball handler/facilitator for the cavs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Not even close you say? Maybe you're talking about current Lebron. Because if you're talking about Lebron in Miami during his Mvp years that would be asinine statement.

I'm talking about LeBron at his peak as a defender, he most certainly isn't in the conversation with Draymond when it comes to versatility. Very few players in the history of the game are in the conversation with him - LeBron isn't one of them.

Dray is great and certainly comparable but he's bigger at guarding bigs than guards...while Lebron could clamp even speedy little guards.

LeBron wasn't clamping "speedy little guards" like that because he was typically guarding wings and didn't ever have a revolving defensive role like Draymond has had over the last 2-3 seasons, you can stop with the revisionism. Draymond can literally guard just about every single type of offensive player, from the likes of Kyrie Irving all the way to Marc Gasol with regularity. He's elite at practically every single aspect of defensive play. While LeBron was strong in most areas, he still didn't have the workload and responsibility that Draymond has, which is part the fact he had a bigger offensive workload to carry, and part because his ability as an overall defender doesn't quite match up with Draymond's.

And Dray also isn't the shot blocker than Lebron is.

LeBron's career-high in blocks - 1.1 per game (and that was in Cleveland in '08 and '09). His block averages in Miami were: 0.6, 0.8, 0.9 and 0.3.

Draymond's career-high in blocks - 1.4 per game (he's done that this season and last season). His block averages over the last three years: 1.4, 1.4, 1.3.

Draymond is not only a considerably better rim protector and paint anchor, but he's one of the best in the league and has been for the last 2-3 seasons (something that LeBron can't claim at any point of his career).

This season:

#3= in contested shots - 14.1 per game (tied with Gobert)
#2 in deflections - 4.1 per game (only .1 behind Covington)

No player ranks in the top-5 for both areas, as the top players in contested shots are mostly big men and the top players in deflections are mostly guards/wings.

He defends the second most attempts per game (only .3 behind Porzingis) - holdng opponents to -5.7% under their usual FG% - the only player that comes close is Gobert (-5.8%)

He holds opponents to -12.3% under their usual FG% near the rim/paint (6ft and less) - to put that into perspective it's a similar rate to Gobert (-13%), Porzingis (-13.1%) and Whiteside (-12.5%)

Ultimately that's what makes this "not even close", is Draymond's ability to anchor the paint at an elite level (and all the roles that come with that) and effectively guard any type of big men - no matter the size.

His metrics certainly don't indicate that Lebron "isn't even close"

I don't know why I need to keep posting these (I thought everybody would've seen them by now, quite obviously not).

Last season:

In fact Draymond is basically doing what Westbrook does offensively, on defense, except he does it effectively - defends more total shots than any other player (holding players to -6.1% under their usual FG%), defends more iso posessions than any other player (holds players to 30% shooting, better rate than the entire league) defends more post-ups than 99% of the league (holds players to 31.9% shooting, better rate than the entire league), defends more spot up attempts than the majority of the league (holds players to 37% shooting, a better rate than 90% of the league), protects the rim at an elite level, anchors the paint, covers up defensive mistakes, provides help defense, blows up all PnR activity, runs the defense by telling players where they need to be, sets box score records for blocks/steals - the list goes on. He has the biggest defensive workload in the league.

These are all facts backed by data, whether you want to acknowledge them or not.

#1 ISO defender
#1 post defender
Top 5 spot up defender (he is actually leading the postseason in defensive spot up attempts)
Elite rim protector
Defended more shot attempts than any other player - 1332 in total (defended 153 attempts more than Ibaka, who was #2) and held his matchup's FG percentage to under -6.1% (for perspective Kawhi defended 676 attempts and kept his opponents to under only -5.7%).