Man of Steel Steel (2013) Let’s settle this. Was it great or not?

[Luke Cage]

BvS and JL were disappointments.

Box Office: Inside ‘Batman v. Superman’s’ Historic Drop-off

Zack Snyder's tentpole tumbled 69 percent in its second weekend, tying with 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine' for the second steepest drop in history for a marquee superhero title — only 2003's 'Hulk' did worse.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Batman v Superman Breaks New Record, and It's Not a Good One - IGN

Warner Bros.' superhero flick performed significantly worse during its second Friday, making just $15.35 million.

www.ign.com

'Batman v Superman' Sets Record With Worst Friday-Sunday Drop For A Superhero Pic

You couldn’t have emptied North American theaters where 'Batman v Superman' screened faster if you’d yelled ‘fire’ in the middle of the auditoriums.

www.forbes.com

Friday Box Office: 'Batman V Superman' Plunges Record 81%

'Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice' just broke a record for the biggest Friday-to-Friday drop for a major comic book movie.

www.forbes.com

'Justice League': When a $94 Million Opening Weekend Is a Flop

Audience fatigue has clearly set in for the once-bankable novelty of the franchise team-up.

www.theatlantic.com

’Justice League’ Is A Historic Box Office Bomb For Warner Bros.

"Justice League" is setting the wrong kind of box office record.

uproxx.com

How Justice League Became a Box Office Disaster

Who expected this?

screenrant.com

'Justice League' Is The Highest-Grossing Box Office 'Bomb' Ever

It is a rare movie that can approach $650 million worldwide and still be considered something of a disaster.

www.forbes.com

https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/warner-bros-dc-justice-league-shakeup.html

shyt made Affleck start drinking again and he eventually quit.
Gadot is now known as a terrible actress.
Ezra was running around like he was LGBTQAJIFSJP Pac and couldn't even promote Flash
The old regime was letting Whedon treat people like shyt and damn near got Ray Fisher blackballed
The Rock tried to do a takeover and got the when the reception to Black Adam was

What was supposed to be saved?

They were disappointments but superman 2025 wasn't despite selling less than both.

 

[jwinfield]

aquaman 2 grossed a billion. it was released in 2023. Nitpit the time frame if you have no better argument.

‘Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom’ Gets Max Streaming Date

'Aquaman 2' will be available to stream on Max in February.

variety.com

“Aquaman 2” floundered at the box office, collecting only $123 million domestically and $433 million worldwide. Compare that to 2018’s “Aquaman,” which raked in $335 million in the U.S. and Canada alone (and more than $1.1 billion globally).

 

[Diunx]

aquaman 2 grossed a billion. it was released in 2023. Nitpit the time frame if you have no better argument.
But it won't change the point i'm making or convince me that you have a valid retort to my argument.
If you want to say it was 2024 fine. James Gunn was hired in 2023 but they announced the reboot in 2024. so either way you want to goal post it i'm correct.

The facts are they rebooted a franchise that was currently successful. More successful than the reboot has been so far

Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom

www.boxofficemojo.com

The fukk you on about?

 

[jwinfield]

Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom

www.boxofficemojo.com

The fukk you on about?

Gunn was supposed to continue a universe where all the sequels performed worse than the first movie.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

The old universe was making a billion dollars a film. The new universe is claiming that 500 million is not a flop despite having all the same characters at their disposal

What? Only 'Aquaman' made over a billion and that was before COVID, theater losses and before China/South Korea/Russia stopped showing the majority of Hollywood films in most of their theaters.

Landscape has completely changed.

 

[CopiousX]

You can't when the universe has a stench on it.

Why would people give a fukk about another Cavill Superman movie when they didn't really care the last couple times they saw him. Did people really want to see Gadot in another WW movie?

The first Shazam made $367M on a $100M budget, it was a hit, had great reviews they got people out. The second made $134M on a $125M budget, shytty reviews. Why would people be excited about a 3rd one? shyt was so bad it turned Zachary Levi into a full on MAGA anti-vaxer.

They fumbled the ball here. They were doing too much with the inclusivity thing. Ain't nobody trying to watch a film with 6 main characters.


The franchise has a lot of good material with a main character that can stand toe to toe with Superman. Warner Brothers should have made a direct connection to Dwayne Johnson's Black Adam and they could have pulled more than half a billion on the 2nd film through the fight scenes and star power. Shazam2 should have been a straight forward action movie, with light comedy.

The rainbow coalition of disabled people, gay people, nonbinary people , black people, Asian people, and Hispanics isn't going to sell a superhero action movie.

 

[Mister Terrific]

I’m not saying anyone needs to change their mind. Like what you like. But just to understand the problems in story construction is makes a strong point to understanding

But this video is probably the best breakdown of the writing problems I’ve seen. It’s long so I put the time stamps in. But it’s worth it.

The problems with the destruction of Krypton is stuff even I didn’t think about

00:00:00 - Intro: 00:02:22 -
Into The Snyderverse: The DCEU Origin Story
00:07:02 - Rewriting History: The Destruction of Krypton and Superman’s Mythos
00:21:10 - Meet The Kents: Superman’s Character and Family Matters
00:38:46 - Unintelligent Design: General Zod’s Not-So-Master Plan
00:59:07 - Mindless Destruction: Collateral Character Assassination
01:28:49 - Ground Zero: The Final Showdown at Rock Bottom.

To be fair to Snyder in one thing, in the comics they always portray the Kryptonians as so arrogant they are damn near retarded.

So Zod being an idiot who gets his ass kicked by a scientist and a farmer tracks and so does the Kryptonians ignoring the destruction of their planet because they’ve eugenic’d themselves stupid.

I agree the animated series had the best explanation that Brainiac tricked them.


That said Kryptonians knowingly gaining super strength under yellow sun has never made sense. You’d have an entire race with the power of the New Gods which would make them more powerful than the Lantern Corps and all they would need to do is absorb yellow sunlight for a few years. Like Superman is confirmed immortal and will become effectively a God in a million years.

So essentially every Kryptonian having this potential is illogical and takes away from Superman being special. It should be surviving the radiation of the destruction of Krypton altered Superman’s physiology so he could absorb yellow sunlight and this was an unintended consequence.

Zod should be a genetically engineered soldier around 100 ton class but not approaching Superman unless he gets a power boost.

Also Earth One/mainlinr Superman should always be the strongest version of the character. None of this Superboy Prime crap.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

They were disappointments but superman 2025 wasn't despite selling less than both.

Uh yeah because 'Superman' is actually turning a profit right now as we speak. The majority of it's box office comes from North America where the studio receives 60%+ of the gross and the breakeven point was around ~500M and it's about to pass $600M in the next couple days.

 

[⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐]

So much better than the new one

 

[Mister Terrific]

I already said just forget about shazam. Nobody cares about the character anyway. And child soldier is not a fantasy to adults. Just to kids. and they not the ones buying the tickets.
all of cavills movies sold well

Shazam can work with good writing. DC fukked up the character in the movies because of the anti-Snyder wave by making him a child who just gets big and super strong but still has the mind of the child to the original incarnation which was a child who transforms into a being with the powers of all the mythical heroes. I.e the wisdom of Solomon. He’s supposed to be wise but instead in the movies can’t even use his powers for like 3/4ths of the film


“Shazam” flew before Superman and was more popular in the 40’s. DC sued fawcett comics and bushed the character for 2 decades. Ironically Marvel who took his name would’ve cooked with the concept of a teenager who could turn into essentially Superman but with a better moveset.

Big Shazam fan, hopefully one day we get a decent adaption.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

Uh yeah because 'Superman' is actually turning a profit right now as we speak. The majority of it's box office comes from North America where the studio receives 60%+ of the gross and the breakeven point was around ~500M and it's about to pass $600M in the next couple days.

Also, Superman did what it did in a post-covid, post-Trump2.0 world against a smear campaign labelling it woke.

It was a huge success by any means.

 

[Diunx]

To be fair to Snyder in one thing, in the comics they always portray the Kryptonians as so arrogant they are damn near retarded.

So Zod being an idiot who gets his ass kicked by a scientist and a farmer tracks and so does the Kryptonians ignoring the destruction of their planet because they’ve eugenic’d themselves stupid.

I agree the animated series had the best explanation that Brainiac tricked them.


That said Kryptonians knowingly gaining super strength under yellow sun has never made sense. You’d have an entire race with the power of the New Gods which would make them more powerful than the Lantern Corps and all they would need to do is absorb yellow sunlight for a few years. Like Superman is confirmed immortal and will become effectively a God in a million years.

So essentially every Kryptonian having this potential is illogical and takes away from Superman being special. It should be surviving the radiation of the destruction of Krypton altered Superman’s physiology so he could absorb yellow sunlight and this was an unintended consequence.

Zod should be a genetically engineered soldier around 100 ton class but not approaching Superman unless he gets a power boost.

Also Earth One/mainlinr Superman should always be the strongest version of the character. None of this Superboy Prime crap.

A lot of comic book stuff, specially DC because of how old they are don't make ton of sense because of the time it was written, kids didn't care about none of that shyt, hell most origin stories that today get a whole movie were like 2 pages back them, they should fix shyt like that but at the same time fans lose their shyt when they change too much.

I admit i haven't read the comics in a few years so don't know if there is some offical power ranking or whatever but my take with SB Prime has awlays been the classic "he is not holding back" because he is a psycho, while Superman punches him with the intent to KO him, he punches Superman with the intent of his fist going through his face.

 

[MikelArteta]

so much better than superman

 

[melraH]

The musical score was great (Hanz Zimmer da Gawd), and some of the action pieces looked cool but way out of character, Gunn's movie was lacking in a few things but felt more like a genuine Superman Movie than M.O.S. I give snyder props for the Krypton stuff, but depressed dejected Superman with no reporter Kent and casually not caring for saving people and the destruction of the city was far off the mark of what the character is supposed to be.

Cavill looked the part but felt Robotic, stiff emotionally not available like a psycho who grew up without friends and that's not on Cavills acting cause we seen him show charm, swag emotion in a few spy flicks he has done like Mission impossible and the man from u.c.l.e so the blame goes to Snyder's depressive ass. Common letting his father die stupid premise.

 

[Diunx]

so much better than superman