Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

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People are now seeing that he was correct

 

[Peter Popoff]

People are now seeing that he was correct

Not necessarily. Creativity is gatekeeped into the destruction of innovation in general.

Which is why we're stuck with sequels and remakes with no change in progress like a hamster running a wheel going nowhere.

If movies like Blade, Robocop or even Starship Troopers were made today, they wouldn't have been given the green light due to racism, gatekeeping or innovation.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

People are now seeing that he was correct

Was there a recent article or quote or something? Who are you referring to?

 

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Not necessarily. Creativity is gatekeeped into the destruction of innovation in general.

Which is why we're stuck with sequels and remakes with no change in progress like a hamster running a wheel going nowhere.

If movies like Blade, Robocop or even Starship Troopers were made today, they wouldn't have been given the green light due to racism, gatekeeping or innovation.

I don't know about the last part but didn't the popularity of the MCU help bring us to this point? For a while, Marvel Studios were the top dogs and actors were trying jump on for that steady check.

 

[Peter Popoff]

I don't about the last part but didn't the popularity of the MCU help bring us to this point? For a while, Marvel Studios were the top dogs and actors were trying jump on for that steady check.

I think Marvel was failing and was sold to FOX, New line and Sony/Universal after some flops.

(Sidenote: Do you remember Generation X on FOX? )

I dunno if Blade came out before X Men but I believe it put rated R comicbook movies on the map. It definitely opened innovation with a black lead and a successful sequel.

 

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I think Marvel was failing and was sold to FOX, New line and Sony/Universal after some flops.

(Sidenote: Do you remember Generation X on FOX? )

I dunno if Blade came out before X Men but I believe it put rated R comicbook movies on the map. It definitely opened innovation with a black lead and a successful sequel.

It did. Blade was the first really good movie with a marvel character. I think the success from that led to X-Men and Spider-Man. It took till Deadpool for Marvel to okay an R rated film again

 

[ciubaca]

This thread is 6 yrs and 116 pages going strong
Gotta love marveL stans

 

[AnonymityX1000]

This thread is 6 yrs and 116 pages going strong
Gotta love marveL stans

Yeah, Marvel stans keep upping the thread. lol

 

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He was 1000% on point

 

[Cloutius Maximus]

I'm a huge movie buff, loved movies since I was a kid.

With that said, Martin Scorsese is NOT correct. Marvel movies ARE cinema. Unless we are making a value judgement on some "Nas is hip-hop, that NBA youngboy shyt is just rap!"

Cinema is literally defined as using motion pictures to convey stories, or the industry around making movies (like Marvel Studios) or the act of watching a film in theater. It involves "combination of technology and artistic expression" to create narratives and evoke emotions. The Marvel films do all of those things, albeit in varying levels of quality. Just because the producer has a lot of input doesn't mean Marvel movies don't count as artistic expression, most Hollywood projects aren't auteur films like One Battle After Another.

James Cameron using the latest tech to create Avatar, using 80's tech to create The Terminator, Martin using de-aging tech to make Robert DeNiro look younger in The Irishman, the infrared cameras used in Dune 2 and sfx tech used to create Thanos are all means to tell a story. We can make value judgements all day but Marvel films aren't some other form of art separate from cinema. Even porn films like Deep Throat from the 1970s are acknowledged as "cinema" today. You can't write off French New Extremity films as "not cinema" just because you think they are too violent and have no value.

I'd rather watch Captain America: Winter Soldier right now as opposed to Bringing Out the Dead or The Irishman.

 

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I'm a huge movie buff, loved movies since I was a kid.

With that said, Martin Scorsese is NOT correct. Marvel movies ARE cinema. Unless we are making a value judgement on some "Nas is hip-hop, that NBA youngboy shyt is just rap!"

Cinema is literally defined as using motion pictures to convey stories, or the industry around making movies (like Marvel Studios) or the act of watching a film in theater. It involves "combination of technology and artistic expression" to create narratives and evoke emotions. The Marvel films do all of those things, albeit in varying levels of quality. Just because the producer has a lot of input doesn't mean Marvel movies don't count as artistic expression, most Hollywood projects aren't auteur films like One Battle After Another.

James Cameron using the latest tech to create Avatar, using 80's tech to create The Terminator, Martin using de-aging tech to make Robert DeNiro look younger in The Irishman, the infrared cameras used in Dune 2 and sfx tech used to create Thanos are all means to tell a story. We can make value judgements all day but Marvel films aren't some other form of art separate from cinema. Even porn films like Deep Throat from the 1970s are acknowledged as "cinema" today. You can't write off French New Extremity films as "not cinema" just because you think they are too violent and have no value.

I'd rather watch Captain America: Winter Soldier right now as opposed to Bringing Out the Dead or The Irishman.

That's exactly what he is saying. Generally MCU films are just fun movies without a lot of depth and passion from the directors.