Masculinity

[Absalom's Thought]

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[BocaRear]

woah there breh, this is too logical for the locker room

we don't like big words round these parts

 

[Dorian Breh]

 

[Busted_Toes]

Let's have an honest conversation about Toxic Masculinity.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Let's have an honest conversation about Toxic Masculinity.

 

[lotteryplaya]

Let's have an honest conversation about Toxic Masculinity.

 

[HE_Pennypacker]

Since testosterone inevitably comes up in these discussions, I'll share something one of my old friends told me. He's a biochemist, and for a while he was studying performance enhancing drugs. He told me that the typical behaviour that has become associated with "too much testosterone", such as anti-social behaviour, mood swings, violence, etc. is actually more closely found in males with LOW test levels. He was saying in the studies and literature, higher test has mostly good correlations.

His theory was that there was an anti-male political movement that sought to demonise testosterone, as it's the most "male" thing they could think of.

 

[FSP]

Since testosterone inevitably comes up in these discussions, I'll share something one of my old friends told me. He's a biochemist, and for a while he was studying performance enhancing drugs. He told me that the typical behaviour that has become associated with "too much testosterone", such as anti-social behaviour, mood swings, violence, etc. is actually more closely found in males with LOW test levels. He was saying in the studies and literature, higher test has mostly good correlations.

His theory was that there was an anti-male political movement that sought to demonise testosterone, as it's the most "male" thing they could think of.

Seems like the symptoms appear on both ends of the spectrum. Too high test and you have stuff like Roid Rage There's probably a healthy balance.

 

[Reginald Noble]

Agreed this needs to be in HL

 

[HE_Pennypacker]

Seems like the symptoms appear on both ends of the spectrum. Too high test and you have stuff like Roid Rage There's probably a healthy balance.

I asked him about that, and he said the rage usually comes from an underlying mental health condition that's unmasked from too many chemical cocktails. He said scientists don't know which one does it specifically.

He also was saying post-natal depression is nearly always found in women who had mental health issues to begin with that were underlying.

 

[CinnaSlim]

So... Following that logic, white folks are the most masculine race since they dominated most other cultures and still remain in power today.

According to OP, masculinity is in itself oppressive. "to master, subdue, shape to its will"

If someone does not fit within this narrative are they less of a man?

 

[horizon]

I predict a stunning lack of citations in this thread

 

[FSP]

I asked him about that, and he said the rage usually comes from an underlying mental health condition that's unmasked from too many chemical cocktails. He said scientists don't know which one does it specifically.

He also was saying post-natal depression is nearly always found in women who had mental health issues to begin with that were underlying.

Dang that is interesting...What about those commercials that advertise that Testosterone cream for people with low T so they can get it up, have energy etc..

 

[Matt504]

I predict a stunning lack of citations in this thread

It's already in play, we've got an inside scoop on the REAL causes of postpartum depression, which really isn't understood all that well, and a wealth of anecdotes.

 

[Shadow King]

I asked him about that, and he said the rage usually comes from an underlying mental health condition that's unmasked from too many chemical cocktails. He said scientists don't know which one does it specifically.

He also was saying post-natal depression is nearly always found in women who had mental health issues to begin with that were underlying.

Are there any other hormones associated with men? Seems like all we hear of is testosterone but that can't be the only thing making a man a man.

So... Following that logic, white folks are the most masculine race since they dominated most other cultures and still remain in power today.

According to OP, masculinity is in itself oppressive. "to master, subdue, shape to its will"

If someone does not fit within this narrative are they less of a man?

Master, subdue and shape to its will can be applied to anything. It's really just poetic words for "work at want you want and do not stop."

A lawyer. A doctor. An athlete. An astronaut. A rapper (before the viral off one dumb ass song era). A contractor. Leader of a country. An entrepreneur. A small-time dealer. A kingpin rich off drug's in a third world. All these men had to master skills/philosophies to survive in their environments, subdue opposition, and shape their environments to what they wanted/needed when they had enough power.

Masculinity isn't oppression (though it can be used for it)...it's strength for efficiency on an external/tangible plane.

Edit: As far as being less of a man, in its low-down essence...yes. But every man is not playing for the same end game. Some are okay being the best fisherman they can be. Others need half a trillion dollars and 25 companies in their name. Some men need to compete in World's Strongest Man competitions. Others want to be able to turn the CIA and Area 51 into digital amusement parks and being 130 pounds is okay with them. It just depends on the man's goal.