Masculinity

[Will Ross]

The point in asking how one defines masculinity is to point out that there is no actual definition. Just the superficial traits assigned to us socially, and culturally within a given society. Basically that masculinity is a creation of man that we adhere to as a subconscious response to media, interactions with family/peers and education. There is nothing actual about masculinity, but the effects of toxic masculinity (which can result from those feeling they haven't lived up to their gender role) are very real, and very present all throughout our culture.

Women naturally look to men for leadership.

 

[Knuckles Red]

Women naturally look to men for leadership.

In what type of relationship?

 

[Will Ross]

What about gay women?

Women naturally look for male leadership. Just like we naturally want to protect women. What so funny is your whole feminist stance is your way of trying to protect women from what you feel is a threat.

 

[CinnaSlim]

I didn't know history began and ended with the white man's rule.

Power is given and power is also ultimately taken away.

Did you not notice the present tense or the word today?

If masculinity is power, how can one take away your masculinity?

 

[Knuckles Red]

Women naturally look for male leadership. Just like we naturally want to protect women. What so funny is your whole feminist stance is your way of trying to protect women from what you feel is a threat.

I recognize sexism, racism and homophobia because I realize how these three prejudices operate concurrently within a patriarchal, heteronormative, racist system that work to the disadvantage of black people as a whole. I care about black women's issues because I care about all issues related to black people. Not just ones related to black heterosexual maleness. I don't expect a pat on the head for the approach that I take to women's issues as they relate to black women.

 

[Busted_Toes]

I recognize sexism, racism and homophobia because I realize how these three prejudices operate concurrently within a patriarchal, heteronormative, racist system that work to the disadvantage of black people as a whole. I care about black women's issues because I care about all issues related to black people. Not just ones related to black heterosexual maleness. I don't expect a pat on the head for the approach that I take to women's issues as they relate to black women.

 

[Neuromancer]

Its real in its consequences; similar to how race is real in its consequences, but is race real? Is it actual? No. Are its consequences? Absolutely!


Its already changing, and it will continue to change. People's attitudes toward gender, I mean.

But race can be defined.

each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.

You claim masculinity can't so you're still not saying goes anything.

I hope I'm dead before it's fully changed and I feel greatly sorry for children of the future.

 

[Pazzy]

Strong characteristics and behavior associated with adult males.

This is a bullshyt argument. Kilts and kimonos aren't skirts or dresses and even in the cultures where men wore those items of clothing, there was still a distinction between how men and women dressed. There was still a distinction between how men and women were expected to behave in those societies. Sure the idea of what it is to be masculine can have some variances depending on what society you're talking about but the point is that masculinity is ultimately based on behavior generally inherent to males just like femininity is based on behavior generally inherent to females. You have no point.

What behaviors exactly? You need to explain.

Are we talking about sleeping around and refusing to be in a relationship or dodging love? Are we talking about playing contact sports like football? Are we talking about jobs like being a correctional officer or a navy seal? Are we talking about being violent? Are we talking about playing video games like gta 5 or mortal kombat? Are we talking about weight lifting? There are women out there that do these things so what exactly are you saying?

 

[Knuckles Red]

But race can be defined.

each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.

You claim masculinity can't so you're still not saying goes anything.

I hope I'm dead before it's fully changed and I feel greatly sorry for children of the future.

Just the superficial traits assigned to us socially, and culturally within a given society.

 

[Will Ross]

I recognize sexism, racism and homophobia because I realize how these three prejudices operate concurrently within a patriarchal, heteronormative, racist system that work to the disadvantage of black people as a whole. I care about black women's issues because I care about all issues related to black people. Not just ones related to black heterosexual maleness. I don't expect a pat on the head for the approach that I take to women's issues as they relate to black women.

Sexism racism and homophobia are not gender specific.

 

[Neuromancer]

But what are those traits. You still aren't defining anything so what you're saying has no meaning.

 

[Neuromancer]

Did you not notice the present tense or the word today?

If masculinity is power, how can one take away your masculinity?

By taking your life.

 

[Gravity]

What behaviors exactly? You need to explain.

Are we talking about sleeping around and refusing to be in a relationship or dodging love? Are we talking about playing contact sports like football? Are we talking about jobs like being a correctional officer or a navy seal? Are we talking about being violent? There are women out there that do these things.

Dont be obtuse. Obviously we are speaking in general in regards to behavior. Do you really deny that biological differences between men and women directly tie into behavioral differences as well?

 

[Knuckles Red]

But what are those traits. You still aren't defining anything so what you're saying has no meaning.

Those traits are listed all throughout this thread. Those traits are imposed on us via the media, social interactions and education. Everywhere you look emotions, products even colors are gendered. Think about the color pink, and what we associate with that. As I keep saying, gender is real, but only in its consequences. Theres nothing actual about gender outside of a specific context.

Sexism racism and homophobia are not gender specific.

Sexism is. Racism and homophobia are not. But they all work concurrently to the detriment of black people.

 

[Neuromancer]

Those traits are listed all throughout this thread. Those traits are imposed on us via the media, social interactions and education. Everywhere you look emotions, products even colors are gendered. Think about the color pink, and what we associate with that. As I keep saying, gender is real, but only in its consequences. Theres nothing actual about gender outside of a specific context.


Sexism is. Racism and homophobia are not. But they all work concurrently to the detriment of black people.

Pink is a color for men. What the hell are you talking about?

And stop with this schrodingers definition shyt. Either it is or it isn't. You're out here picking and choosing.

And what's toxic about evolution and self mastery?