Mass Shooting Epidemic Is the Result of Republican Minority Rule

[DonKnock]

You can always be counted on for the contrarian take on the subject. The conclusion of which is to do nothing because everything is futile due to powers that be

Typical Libertarian bad faith arguments

 

[Gus Money]

I clearly suggested we address these white terrorist head-on(war on cac supremacy)... but you anti gun types cant hear/see anything other than gun regulation.

No, you've been acting like addressing white supremacy is the only viable solution despite the fact that there are other options that can be implemented at the same time. For some reason you're hellbent on not admitting that reducing the number of guns could lead to less mass shootings, despite the facts suggesting otherwise. We know white supremacy is a problem, that's not new information.

Gun control and reducing access to guns works. Period, point blank. The statistics support this worldwide and across our own country where certain states have stricter gun control.

I'm pretty sure we'd still have higher death tolls from guns than anyone even without racism. This terrorism just makes it worse.

This is also true. The rate of gun ownership in America dwarfs the rest of the world. I saw reports claiming that the shooter in Dayton was a leftist who hated Trump yet here we are. The one thing all of these mass shootings have in common in the presence of a gun.

 

[DEAD7]

No, you've been acting like addressing white supremacy is the only viable solution despite the fact that there are other options that can be implemented at the same time.

No im acting like it requires our full attention to get off the ground.
Its not new, and its not being addressed or even spoken about honestly. It needs special attention.
Cacs want nothing more than to steer this towards guns, and away from these white domestic terrorist.
Passing gun regulation will allow a lot of on the fence/white supremacist sympathizers to feel like they have done enough and/or appropriately addressed the issue.

 

[DEAD7]

Tougher background checks WILL NOT and WOULDNT HAVE PREVENTED 99% of mass shootings.
Either you are talking about throwing the 2nd in the bushes(infringing) or you are just looking for a feel good policy.



I'm holding white supremacy 100% accountable.
Their networks need to be shutdown, along with individuals spreading their message of hate.

 

[Pressure]

The American citizenry.

Where does law enforcement fit in this equation?

 

[Pressure]

Tougher background checks WILL NOT and WOULDNT HAVE PREVENTED 99% of mass shootings.
Either you are talking about throwing the 2nd in the bushes(infringing) or you are just looking for a feel good policy.



I'm holding white supremacy 100% accountable.
Their networks need to be shutdown, along with individuals spreading their message of hate.

The majority of mass shooters purchased their guns legally.
Improved back ground checks, red flag laws, and mental health evaluation pre prucahse should help.

I can't imagine how it won't considering I've been told mass shooters are mentally ill.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

clearly too many of us aren't about solving problems, just waiting for our turn to repeat buzz words and point fingers

Japan has strict gun laws, also strict punishment for violating those laws and actively promotes personal responsibility..how many of us are willing to advocate for all 3,[strict laws, severe punishment, and holding accountable undesired behaviours], since we're constantly referencing Japan?
-by that silly thread about abolishing prisons
-by the lack of consistency on how we view degenerate/reckless behavior
...I doubt most can't or will not because solving problems isn't a priority

American Psychological Association puts out a statement after every mass shooting or similar tragedy to ask folks stop blindly and carelessly blaming "mental illness," because not only are you creating a stigma/stereotype, but also is ignorantly spreading a wrong narrative. The majority of mental illness patients tend to hurt themselves, not others. But yet folks still yell "mental illness," every chance they get because of how it makes them feel

Spoiler

You're not going to stop these convos and attacks by closing websites and forums. They'll find another channel to continue their business

Best approach is make it clear that certain behaviors won't go unpunished...these POS should be afraid of getting caught alive

-Start pushing for legislation to severely punish reckless shooters and mass murderers
-Stop selfishly trying to score points in the after life by tolerating weak ineffective punishments for horrible crimes
-Stop blindly capeing for "prison reform" while ignoring the suffering of victims and their family
-Stop worrying about human rights violations for folks actively targeting innocent people

 

[Snoopy Loops]

The majority of mass shooters purchased their guns legally.
Improved back ground checks, red flag laws, and mental health evaluation pre prucahse should help.

I can't imagine how it won't considering I've been told mass shooters are mentally ill.

You know I actually agree with one of his points, background checks don’t do shyt really. Most of these psychos are seemingly normal people till they pop off. Maybe their close friends might know something is off with them, but the public never knows what’s up till it’s too late. Its an insurgency with their troops hiding in plain sight. Almost akin to teenage boy in the Middle East being a suicide bomber.

I personally feel 2nd amendment should be thrown into the bushes, but I’ll take a play from his playbook, nra and other powers will fight tooth and nail.

 

[Strapped]

The American citizenry.

Didn't someone say you were going on vacation

 

[Pressure]

You know I actually agree with one of his points, background checks don’t do shyt really. Most of these psychos are seemingly normal people till they pop off. Maybe their close friends might know something is off with them, but the public never knows what’s up till it’s too late. Its an insurgency with their troops hiding in plain sight. Almost akin to teenage boy in the Middle East being a suicide bomber.

I personally feel 2nd amendment should be thrown into the bushes, but I’ll take a play from his playbook, nra and other powers will fight tooth and nail.

Background checks have some inherent flaws. One of which is the delay of law enforcement to report violent and mental health cases to the national database in time.

Plenty of gun legislation has been proposed to help normalize this. Among them is legislation to national gun legislation and not leave it to states to enforce as they see fit.

Again, the goal of gun legislation is not to have a 100 percent success rate, but to have a positive impact towards addressing the problem.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

Background checks have some inherent flaws. One of which is the delay of law enforcement to report violent and mental health cases to the national database in time.

Plenty of gun legislation has been proposed to help normalize this. Among them is legislation to national gun legislation and not leave it to states to enforce as they see fit.

Again, the goal of gun legislation is not to have a 100 percent success rate, but to have a positive impact towards addressing the problem.

I’m all for stronger requirements. I haven’t read any proposed so I’m uninformed on their specs, however unless they're making it hard asf, idk I just feel those are band aids. Most of these people are law abiding citizens that could be very patient with the firearm acquisition process.

 

[Gus Money]

Its not new, and its not being addressed or even spoken about honestly.
Cacs want nothing more than to steer this towards guns, and away from these white domestic terrorist.

This is not true. Period. The people not speaking about white supremacy are the same people that you identify with politically. Leftwing publications and politicians have already identified white supremacy as often being responsible for mass shootings. You said this the other day and I posted an AOC tweet proving you wrong so I'm not sure why you keep repeating this.





Left leaning publications and politicians have already spoken out and linked mass shooting to white supremacy and Trump's racist rhetoric. Your stance is false.

Tougher background checks WILL NOT and WOULDNT HAVE PREVENTED 99% of mass shootings.
Either you are talking about throwing the 2nd in the bushes(infringing) or you are just looking for a feel good policy.



I'm holding white supremacy 100% accountable.
Their networks need to be shutdown, along with individuals spreading their message of hate.

Another straw man argument. Tougher background checks, gun buyback programs, and just prohibiting certain guns from being owned by civilians would reduce the number of guns, which would then reduce the number of gun deaths. This is observable worldwide. America has done practically nothing as a whole so for you to sit here and act like there are no options is based on NOTHING. Nobody is suggesting to implement a single policy change and sit on our hands. Less guns means less gun deaths/violence. This is a fact that you can see, not feel good policy.

Plus, white supremacy is not 100% responsible for all of these shootings. The VA Tech shooting was done by a South Korean guy and nothing I've seen suggests that he was influenced by white supremacy. The Dayton shooter was a lefty and I also haven't seen anything suggesting that white supremacy influenced him either.

What you're doing is trying to boil it down to one issue when it's more nuanced than that. The people spreading messages of hate are on your side and they're the same ones avoiding even a whisper about white supremacy.

 

[Gus Money]

Also let's not pretend the second amendment is some infallible text. Even conservatives admit that it's based on old ass English common law and the Supreme Court have largely avoided spelling it out over the years.
The Second Amendment has failed America
Supreme Court & Second Amendment: Gun Rights Emphasized More? | National Review

 

[DEAD7]

Also let's not pretend the second amendment is some infallible text. Even conservatives admit that it's based on old ass English common law and the Supreme Court have largely avoided spelling it out over the years.
The Second Amendment has failed America
Supreme Court & Second Amendment: Gun Rights Emphasized More? | National Review

I wanna be clear, when you say “less guns” you are suggesting some sort of gun ban?

And prohibition has been proven many times not to work in this country... what is your belief in can work based on?
Please don’t say Australia...

 

[DEAD7]

This is not true. Period. The people not speaking about white supremacy are the same people that you identify with politically.
Left leaning publications and politicians have already spoken out and linked mass shooting to white supremacy and Trump's racist rhetoric. Your stance is false.

I stand corrected... it is being spoken about honestly.