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Unskilled labor the only ones being replaced. Learn a skill, become a plumber, welder, truck driver, machinist, sonography or radiology tech, and get money breh.

I gotta ask. Why do some of you say shyt like this when it's clearly not the case? On top of that, the replacement of unskilled labor jobs STILL thrusts millions into unemployment.

The only way the American Western economy as you know it has been able to flourish is BECAUSE of "unskilled labor". What do you think happens when cashiers, burger flippers and fry cooks have been replaced by automation? There are people - young and old, black and white - who rely on those jobs to (barely) sustain themselves. What exactly do you think happens when tens of millions of them are out of work? You think the low IQ busboy at Denny's is somehow capable of going into engineering?

And what happens when the market gets flooded with "skilled" workers who possess the necessary degrees? Imagine there are 1M jobs in a particular sector yet there are 10,000,000 candidates all vying for a slot. What then? They can't all be employed so what happens to them?

I noticed you mentioned learning trades as a solution meanwhile half the trades you listed are on their way to being replaced within our lifetimes.

The medical field is often the first to glom on to new tech so sonographers and lab techs will largely be out of jobs. Automated trucks are already a thing and will become even more so over the next few decades. Plumbing remains one of the most unskilled, "skilled" labor jobs out there and it's hardly irreplaceable thanks to robotics and a lot of welding can also be done by trained robots if given the time (which isn't much).

Everything you've said here speaks to you either being an upper middle class cac or an out of touch negro. Neither of which puts you in a position to speak on these things with any authority.
 

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The old American model is dying fast. We going to have to look at how immigrants survive in this country, strength in numbers. Families are going to have to be extended i.e. parents, siblings, cousins etc banding together to share living expenses so everyones standard of living increases.
 

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this type of fear mongering has been going on since the industrial revolution. industries and jobs die and new ones are created.
they will likely hasbe to extend mandatory school beyond high school so all citizens have the technical skills necessary to work in the new fields.

Not fear mongering at all last 20 or 30 years brought a net loss of jobs.
 

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this type of fear mongering has been going on since the industrial revolution. industries and jobs die and new ones are created.
they will likely hasbe to extend mandatory school beyond high school so all citizens have the technical skills necessary to work in the new fields.
These avon barksdale ass nikkas won't listen to reason breh:myman:
Citizens in this country are nothing but customers constantly being sold shyt to keep the economy afloat. If those customers have no income then the entire country loses. Jobs evolve just like everything else.
 

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Entrepreneur gang sending condolences in advance


Good luck nikkas

They have decimated my industry, and I honestly can't think of more Entrepreneurs going out of business then hedge fund managers and mutual funds managers who had their shop disappear because of algos.

They have been eating unskilled labor for years, but it won't stop there. Skilled niche labor is next. Also met a few people making the next wave of things to come its downright frightening and I don't see how people can compete. Can't sell goods or services if there is no customer base in your country. If your good and services have a local customer base.

We as entrepreneurs are safe for now, but I have to be looking over my shoulders for sure in the last couple of years. Everytime I look they are closer.
 
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Those computers need people to write code, need people to physically repair them, need people to build them and etc. The very creation of this new service opens up higher paying jobs if you have the skills.

Its sad how some of you cats are scared and resort to a mindset of helplessness, when confronted with things you are unfamiliar with.

Slightly msinformed. I have seen algos(automated programs) run a store with one person and as opposed to the ten it used to employment. Seen algos run a fund that used to require eight people wiggle down to two people. 2 Two people breh running millions of dollars. The change is real.
 
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Those computers need people to write code, need people to physically repair them, need people to build them and etc. The very creation of this new service opens up higher paying jobs if you have the skills.

Its sad how some of you cats are scared and resort to a mindset of helplessness, when confronted with things you are unfamiliar with.

Could you elaborate on your point of view?

Two points/ questions just to clarify.

1. What happens when computers become better at coding than humans? It's not like technological advancement just stops here. My elderly neighbour underwent surgery last year..her surgeon was a robot. Some people argue there's always a need for humans to oversee, but it's not like we consult with math professors to make sure our calculators show the correct answer. As a matter of fact, the calculator is quicker and more precise at math than the person who created it, why will that not be the case with future technology?

2.You're basically saying humans should adapt and move into other fields, which we have historically done. However, in the past, when we were outperformed by machines physically, we could just move into intelligence-based work. Now we're about to be outperformed in that area as well. If trucks become self-driven, you may need 10 programmers for 100 cars. Where should the other 90 truck drivers go? By the law of averages, they're not intelligent enough to compete in certain fields.

Maybe 10 of them can become mechanics, but surely there are already pre-existing mechanics, and surely robots will outperform us in that area as well soon. They can't go work in the factories who build trucks because those will be automated as well. I can't see many other fields where we'll do better than robots apart from emotional labour (i.e nursing, therapy etc.) and entertainment.

When you say people are fearmongering, it sounds like you're misunderstanding what they're scared of. It's not technological advancement in itself. They're scared of the fact that humans reign supreme in fewer and fewer fields. Also, they're not necessarily saying everything is doom and gloom, but they're asking what we're going to do with the hundreds of millions worldwide who might not have the skillset to transition. I don't think it's reasonable to call their concerns "sad".
 

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I gotta ask. Why do some of you say shyt like this when it's clearly not the case? On top of that, the replacement of unskilled labor jobs STILL thrusts millions into unemployment.

The only way the American Western economy as you know it has been able to flourish is BECAUSE of "unskilled labor". What do you think happens when cashiers, burger flippers and fry cooks have been replaced by automation? There are people - young and old, black and white - who rely on those jobs to (barely) sustain themselves. What exactly do you think happens when tens of millions of them are out of work? You think the low IQ busboy at Denny's is somehow capable of going into engineering?

And what happens when the market gets flooded with "skilled" workers who possess the necessary degrees? Imagine there are 1M jobs in a particular sector yet there are 10,000,000 candidates all vying for a slot. What then? They can't all be employed so what happens to them?

I noticed you mentioned learning trades as a solution meanwhile half the trades you listed are on their way to being replaced within our lifetimes.

The medical field is often the first to glom on to new tech so sonographers and lab techs will largely be out of jobs. Automated trucks are already a thing and will become even more so over the next few decades. Plumbing remains one of the most unskilled, "skilled" labor jobs out there and it's hardly irreplaceable thanks to robotics and a lot of welding can also be done by trained robots if given the time (which isn't much).

Everything you've said here speaks to you either being an upper middle class cac or an out of touch negro. Neither of which puts you in a position to speak on these things with any authority.
People say unskilled labor is being replaced because that is what is being replaced.
Innovation leads to disruption, people will lose jobs and businesses will close and exit the market. Thats the reality with disruptive tech, again the other part of the reality is that new markets emerge from the disruptive tech and labor is freed to pursue jobs in other markets that may still need them.

For example, wood carvers and carriage builders were left unemployed by the automobile and machine stamped assembly. Those people were out of work and the companies that couldn't adapt went out of business. No one says it was terrible for the economy as a whole to move to automation and that automobiles became popular and affordable. Same principle here. Its called creative destruction.
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No western economies haven't flourished because of unskilled labor, unskilled labor has actually been sent out of the west for the last 30 - 40 years, and the economies have still grown. So your assertion here is patently false.
What happens to workers in a displaced market, they have to train themselves to either develop marketable skills in demand or they will have to transition to another field that still has unskilled workers that has not yet been automated. Simple.
If you are in a position where you rely on a minimum wage job, that is your fault, and everyone isn't going to suffer for the minority that does.
Busboy might have to start being a brick layers instead of a busboy, per your example. Pretty simple.

The skilled labor market is going to grow to support the new automation market, which will have new industries enter into it, and need its own human labor to support it to grow and maintain. So that is what is goign to happen to skilled workers in the partidular field initially. When it gets to a point where the labor outstrips the demand for the labor, the pay will start to be driven down, and then its the responsibilities for those in that field to either develop more or newer skills to stay competitive or exit the market. Pretty simple.

You say half the trades I mentioned are being replaced, but that is a lie. Lab techs aren't going to be out of jobs anytime soon. Sonographers are expected to grow for the next 20 years per bls, and on top of that new tech won't replace the tech, it will just require addition/new training for that tech to operate. automated trucks aren't already a thing and aren't even live in production and aren't expected to be for years, which means you have years to now get money money you can use to do what? thats right invest in your future to develop what? New marketable skills why? because you know you might be in a industry that is dying. Wow can you imagine that, people being intelligent and responsible enough to look out for their own best interest. Thats wild isn't it. :smile: Plumping being unskilled is your opinion, that said it isn't automated and provides an actual career path for workers who want a stable career, funny you were talking about people needing jobs, now you are shytting on a job that is very high paying in comparison to the jobs that are being lost because of your irrelevant opinion about the skill level of the job. As for welding, robots that weld need what? Programming and maintanence, they have programs to learn how to program those robots, what is that? A new career field. Also there are sites and industries that aren't suitable for machine welding like oil field welders or welders on water stations and etc.

Nothing I've written has anything to do with race actually.
That you seeem to think having a economic view that is educated in the market makes me white or an "out of touch" black person, again speaks more to your own internalized sense of black inferiority. You truly beleive and accept the premise that blacks are poor and helpless, that blacks can't think except in only 1 fixed way and that its only from the view of a person poverty stricken. Like I said when you people make statements like this you are only showing how much of a c00n you are and its sad, because you probably don't even realize the underlying premise of what you are saying.
 
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What happens to workers in a displaced market, they have to train themselves to either develop marketable skills in demand or they will have to transition to another field that still has unskilled workers that has not yet been automated. Simple.

If its so simple, give 5 examples of countries that have already experienced this, and had no issues with widespread unemployment..... and what will these marketable skills be?

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Could you elaborate on your point of view?

Two points/ questions just to clarify.

1. What happens when computers become better at coding than humans? It's not like technological advancement just stops here. My elderly neighbour underwent surgery last year..her surgeon was a robot. Some people argue there's always a need for humans to oversee, but it's not like we consult with math professors to make sure our calculators show the correct answer. As a matter of fact, the calculator is quicker and more precise at math than the person who created it, why will that not be the case with future technology?

2.You're basically saying humans should adapt and move into other fields, which we have historically done. However, in the past, when we were outperformed by machines physically, we could just move into intelligence-based work. Now we're about to be outperformed in that area as well. If trucks become self-driven, you may need 10 programmers for 100 cars. Where should the other 90 truck drivers go? By the law of averages, they're not intelligent enough to compete in certain fields.

Maybe 10 of them can become mechanics, but surely there are already pre-existing mechanics, and surely robots will outperform us in that area as well soon. They can't go work in the factories who build trucks because those will be automated as well. I can't see many other fields where we'll do better than robots apart from emotional labour (i.e nursing, therapy etc.) and entertainment.

When you say people are fearmongering, it sounds like you're misunderstanding what they're scared of. It's not technological advancement in itself. They're scared of the fact that humans reign supreme in fewer and fewer fields. Also, they're not necessarily saying everything is doom and gloom, but they're asking what we're going to do with the hundreds of millions worldwide who might not have the skillset to transition. I don't think it's reasonable to call their concerns "sad".

1. Computers don't become better at coding than humans. There are people developing computers that become code at coding, and you will still need people evaluate that coding and test before putting it into production. So I find it hard to understand your point because it argues or makes an assumption on a belief or idea I don't support. Your neighbor had surgery, her surgeon was a human being who used a robot to assist in the operation. This is what I'm talking about though, a lot of you look at technology as magic that exist in a vacuum, computers and programs, you don't seem to understand there are people that push the development in these fields, programs don't just think about thinks and operate, they need instruction. AI doesn't just work and you have a program capable of thought like a person, it needs instruction, it needs constant refinement, these are things that people do because only people can do it. As for you example of the calculator, that should tell you how much the fearmongering being done here is worthless. Did the calculator remove the neccesaity or value of math as a high level discipline? No, it increased the complication and ability to do even higher level math and made those in that field even more valuable thanks to the processing advantage they gained with it. It improved society on a whole, even if it took the abacus, punch card, and slide rule industries and their workers out the game.

2. Yes people should develop marketable skills for the environment they live in. Humans were replaced in physical markets and in more intellectual markets where computers were able to automate the ability to neeed an engineer or before, especially with regard to some building software. We have already been outperformed in high skill area by machines, higher skilled people though generally know they have to develop their skills to stay competitive. Per your example lets concede and say only 10 have the aptitude to be programmers and do that, the other 90 filter into fields that they can compete in, there are more fields to name, some with high skills some that are low skilled, that onus is on those 90 people though, not on "society" or anything. The law of averages by the way has nothing to do with people being able to develop skills to enter certain fields, or that those people are intelligent enough (in this case truckers) to all develop marketable high skills that are in demand.. You are using that term entirely wrong.

You seem to think you have the ability to be able to plan out society, that doesn't exist, you have to recognize you are talking about people and those people will have their own interests, passions, hobbies, aptitudes, and mental makeup which will direct them and contribute to what fields they go into. So trying to act like any breakdown where you say 10 people go to _____ and 20 people to ______ and 60 to ______ and etc is a waste of time. We can only talk in generalities here, not specifics.

And again with regard to automation, factories that use machinary to build vehicles have a lot of people, I see my local hyundai plant employing people and its highly automated, same with the Mercedes Benz plant in Vance, AL. They need workers and they pay well because automated mechanization doesn't mean no people, you need people to program and run the machines. For example, MBUSI - Mechatronics Program

You are all literally fear mongering, and you say you aren't scared of technological advancement but you then say you are scared of the effects of technological advancement. Like I said before, your arguments are identical to the arguments of the luddites. You are scared of your employment due to the rise of technology in replacing workers, again this fear has been proven time and again to be unfounded. Stop being afraid and look at the new tech for what it is, new opportunities.

Its not the job of technology advocates to worry about the number of jobs, its about the ability to generate profit and wealth. Like Murray Rothbard said to the chinese, you want jobs get rid of execuvators and trenchers, give everyone a shovel, you'll have your jobs, you won't generate wealth though, and the overall effect will be an increase in cost of living and lowering of standard of living ,but hey millions of people will have jobs right?
SMH

Jobs don't exist for people to have jobs, they exist to provide value to the owner who is in turn trying to provide value to customers. If you don't look at working or being productive as what can I do to increase my value as an employee or worker so I can generate more money, you are doing it wrong.
 

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If its so simple, give 5 examples of countries that have already experienced this, and had no issues with widespread unemployment..... and what will these marketable skills be?

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US, UK, China, Germany, and France off the top of my head. All 5 went though rapid industrialization that destroyed established industries and increased national productivity and increased employment.
The funny part is you show your lack of common sense in asking me to predict the future. Its not for me to say what an in demand marketable skill will be, just that a person if you are displaced will need to develop a marketable skill so that you can find work in the new market. Which, with regard to me, is as rational as saying you need air to breathe.
 
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