Massive Unemployment Incoming

[desjardins]

Entrepreneur gang sending condolences in advance


Good luck nikkas

Uh won't automation destroy entrepreneurship as well?
I mean unless your domain is engineering more sophisticated robots or something
Small business already getting destroyed by the economies of scale these corporations have, throw in cheap labor (robots that can work 24/7 amortized over how ever many years) and its going be harder and harder to have niche to beat their margins

 

[David_TheMan]

Already answered your outsourcing question. Outsourcing isn't the sole cause in unemployment. You are trying to ascribe too much weight to it in your unemployment argument when there are simply too many variables, which makes your example usless.

IF you couldn't understand what I wrote before when I went more into depth, there is no point in me repeating it again for you. I would suggst you read again, and if you don't understand what I wrote ask a direct question for clarification.

And there you have it. Math(s) again. You have the direction of implication wrong and with that I am gone. The bolded part in your post is YOUR strawman.

The bolded is a reply i made to a question you presented. You are the one who made the question with the unstated premise, not me.
Also the bolded is what I said, not a strawman or misrepresentation of what you have argued.

It doesn't matter what the cause is. The question is about combating. The order of the implication in my statement '=>' (single and double implication arrow?) is the opposite of what you are basing your argument on.

Yes it does matter what the cause is, in reality when we are discussing a situation logically.
You don't have the authority, and its irrational to think you can present a loaded question or situation and think I have to argue within those loaded parameters.

AGAIN: For the purposes of THIS question it doesn't matter what the cause is. I.E. you can combat a symptom without KNOWING the cause and the QUESTION was 'can outsourcing be used to combat unemployment (of all kinds) as per the implication of you saying 1 million jobs outsourced leads to at least 1 million (similar) additional jobs in total'.

I literally told you in that post AND PROVIDED YOU A LINK to STUDIES that showed that in reality outsourcing increases jobs. You have chosen to ignore this. I am starting to develop a suspicion as to why you continue to ignore it.

Coli strikes again.... the gaps in your education are showing. It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that broader society lumps people like you together with people like me. #MNIA

The coli isn't having a discussion with you, I am, David_TheMan.
As for my education, that you have now been reduced to insulting my intelligence when I have been civil with you and responded to you politely and actuallying backing up my opinion and explaining the logic behind my argumentation speaks volumes about the lack of substance in your position.

 

[null]

We're seeing machines that are able to compete with human intelligence, which I'd argue is new. Historically, technology expanding has created more human jobs, but this isn't necessarily the case now.

Point is..if machines produce more, then you have more product to sell so in total you can make more money if there's a market for your product.The World Bank and I agree that two thirds of jobs in the third-world may disappear due to automation, but you're of course free to disagree: Request Rejected

I'm not fearful of new technology, I'm addressing issues related to AI and automation. I'm happy to discuss positive aspects of new technology, but that's not what the thread is about.

I'm not saying coal mines are the way to go forward, but I do think it's naive to simply tell coal miners to "do better". I actually think that type of rhetoric could lead to social and political unrest, as they might not understand the situation they're in.

That person keeps jumping around rather than stepping logically through the discussion because by doing that they can gloss over, skip and obfuscate to convince themselves that they have a logical argument when in fact none exists. A direct implication of what they said was that outsourcing CREATES jobs. Then by a SINGLE STEP of inference this implies outsourcing can be used to combat (reduce) aggregate unemployment (work not numbers hence the job equivalency (quality) restriction) which in reality it cannot and which is counter capitalist anyway. Capitalism is charged with shareholder value so ceteris-paribus location shifts will (aggregate again) produce more for less labor cost. Obvious to some but not to others it seems.

 

[David_TheMan]

What skills u think are good to learn

As I said in my first post in this thread

Unskilled labor the only ones being replaced. Learn a skill, become a plumber, welder, truck driver, machinist, sonography or radiology tech, and get money breh.

I'm sure there are many more trades as well, on top of your higher education fields as well.

 

[David_TheMan]

Uh won't automation destroy entrepreneurship as well?
I mean unless your domain is engineering more sophisticated robots or something
Small business already getting destroyed by the economies of scale these corporations have, throw in cheap labor (robots that can work 24/7 amortized over how ever many years) and its going be harder and harder to have niche to beat their margins

An entrepreneur would be buying one of these robots and making his own business to use the benefit of the lower barrier of entry into the market.

 

[desjardins]

An entrepreneur would be buying one of these robots and making his own business to use the benefit of the lower barrier of entry into the market.

You still need to beat the margins that huge companies like Amazon will use to put you out of business
By the time these robots become readily available (and affordable) to joe blow the local entrepreneur it's probably already a wrap in which ever market you're trying to penetrate. In this doomsday scenario it's a wrap for everyone that's kind of the point

 

[null]

I literally told you in that post AND PROVIDED YOU A LINK to STUDIES that showed that in reality outsourcing increases jobs. You have chosen to ignore this. I am starting to develop a suspicion as to why you continue to ignore it.

Yup ignoring it.

Now again, you answer the question, if you can.. It seems that you don't even understand it. You say I am not discussing with 'the Coli' but yet you want me to 'discuss' with the author of the link you keep rabbiting on about. YOUR answer is required. I want YOU to explain the mechanism..

The salient restriction is (and has ever been) "equivalent jobs created locally in terms of numbers and quality" as stated in all of my posts specifying the question and my position. Your link does NOT argue for this and even if it did, you have a position so substantiate it. I obliged your request for a mathematical argument.

The question remains..

Your answer is...

One.step.at.a.time.

 

[David_TheMan]

You still need to beat the margins that huge companies like Amazon will use to put you out of business
By the time these robots become readily available (and affordable) to joe blow the local entrepreneur it's probably already a wrap in which ever market you're trying to penetrate. In this doomsday scenario it's a wrap for everyone that's kind of the point

Huge companies like Amazon, dog I don't think you really understand Amazon's main business. LOL
By the time these robots become available, what robots breh?
Yall literally have no idea what you are talking about, just scared.
Ole they coming for me ass nikka.

 

[David_TheMan]

Yup ignoring it.

Now again, you answer the question, if you can.. It seems that you don't even understand it. You say I am not discussing with 'the Coli' but yet you want me to 'discuss' with the author of the link you keep rabbiting on about. YOUR answer is required. I want YOU to explain the mechanism..

The salient restriction is (and has ever been) "equivalent jobs created locally in terms of numbers and quality" as stated in all of my posts specifying the question and my position. Your link does NOT argue for this and even if it did, you have a position so substantiate it. I obliged your request for a mathematical argument.

The question remains..

Your answer is...

One.step.at.a.time.

If you are ignoring my initial reply to you, no need to continue discussing.
So we are good.

 

[desjardins]

Huge companies like Amazon, dog I don't think you really understand Amazon's main business. LOL
By the time these robots become available, what robots breh?
Yall literally have no idea what you are talking about, just scared.
Ole they coming for me ass nikka.

The robots you think you will be able to just walk down to Costco and buy. You're the one who suggested that people could beat automation by employing it not me.
As if that will even be an option. Machine Learning experts are getting million dollar job offers now for a reason, any advancement in AI will be proprietary. Microsoft wrote that blueprint over 30 years ago dumbass. Pay attention. Amazon doesn't even plan to share their Go innovation to other retailers.
There are many discussions on this stuff, not to mention some of the strategies are obvious if you work in stem and have been paying attention.
READ instead of saying dumb shyt for LOLs Amazon Go and the Future

 

[David_TheMan]

The robots you think you will be able to just walk down to Costco and buy. You're the one who suggested that people could beat automation by employing it not me.
As if that will even be an option. Machine Learning experts are getting million dollar job offers now for a reason, any advancement in AI will be proprietary. Microsoft wrote that blueprint over 30 years ago dumbass. Pay attention. Amazon doesn't even plan to share their Go innovation to other retailers.
There are many discussions on this stuff, not to mention some of the strategies are obvious if you work in stem and have been paying attention.
READ instead of saying dumb shyt for LOLs Amazon Go and the Future

lol breh what robots do you think I'm talking about? LOL
Yes I suggest business owners would be looking to get in business by investing in now cheaper machinary.

Why would that not be an option? LOL
Machine Learning engineers salaries https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/machine-learning-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,25.htm
They aren't making 1 mil breh.
AI might be proprietary so what, if it can be licensed.
MS wrote the blueprint for what kid. LOL MS isn't even the biggest player in the AI market.
Amazon Go has to what to do with anything we are talking about? Nothing. Its just one market.
You scary dudes are funny as hell.

 

[null]

If you are ignoring my initial reply to you, no need to continue discussing.
So we are good.

And there you have it folks.

This person seeks to suggest that additional workers have no effect. Ok.. But when pressed for a detailed step-by-step breakdown (one step at a time) we get 'tumbleweed'.

It's so obvious it is erm... obvious.. If you removed the American border and anyone could walk in i.e. created massive competition it would be negative and would result in a broad fall in pricing power for workers. Replace those interlopers with machines and nope, no effect according to some and even a positive effect according to others. It does not add up and even with the Hail Mary pass option of hitherto undiscovered 'productive' functions that the machines cannot do (although we said strong AI) we know that job-replacement-like-for-like does not scale globally and is even now not scaling in many parts of the West. Industrialization has been a boon for the world but we are not talking about tools here, we are talking about replacements, i.e. quasi-humans aka borderless immigration => loss of pricing power => lowering living standards UNLESS payment is not predicated on involvement (somewhere) in production. This last part is why some countries are already piloting a citizens (Universal Basic Income) payment. Yes already, because they see that this is a structural change.

And unlike some I can break it down step by step as to why this is the case. Bookmarked for 2021.

 

[desjardins]

lol breh what robots do you think I'm talking about? LOL
Yes I suggest business owners would be looking to get in business by investing in now cheaper machinary.

Why would that not be an option? LOL
Machine Learning engineers salaries https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/machine-learning-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,25.htm
They aren't making 1 mil breh.
AI might be proprietary so what, if it can be licensed.
MS wrote the blueprint for what kid. LOL MS isn't even the biggest player in the AI market.
Amazon Go has to what to do with anything we are talking about? Nothing. Its just one market.
You scary dudes are funny as hell.

Yea you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm only an engineer in an innovation lab for a major multi national and my wife is only a MBA strategy consultant. What do I know. Seems like you trolling so to the ignore list you go

 

[null]

The robots you think you will be able to just walk down to Costco and buy. You're the one who suggested that people could beat automation by employing it not me.
As if that will even be an option. Machine Learning experts are getting million dollar job offers now for a reason, any advancement in AI will be proprietary. Microsoft wrote that blueprint over 30 years ago dumbass. Pay attention. Amazon doesn't even plan to share their Go innovation to other retailers.
There are many discussions on this stuff, not to mention some of the strategies are obvious if you work in stem and have been paying attention.
READ instead of saying dumb shyt for LOLs Amazon Go and the Future

That depends on who discovers it.
List of academic databases and search engines - Wikipedia

 

[desjardins]

That depends on who discovers it.
List of academic databases and search engines - Wikipedia

This is true , problem is academia pays no where close to private sector, so PHDs jet the second they can instead of staying in academia and supervising more research in the space. They keep innovating....... just for a company who now will hold patents on whatever they come up with
This has been discussed in stem circles for a while now https://www.economist.com/news/busi...ights-talent-universities-struggle-hold-their