Master P straight up stealin' from Scarface classic

[JustCKing]

Breh

What was No Limit chain when they first came out??

Two dudes in trench coats holding guns posted on a tank. The tank is the only implication of a soldier they had going, but in terms of them making "soulja" songs and rapping about being "souljas" didn't come until after P was out here making Pac tributes and such.

Early No Limit was more toward being a mob than soldiers, which is something they went back to in the late '90's, but more heavily emphasized (the suits, skits, songs, album titles, album covers, and accents).

Ya'll in here acting like it's far fetched that P incorporated being a soldier in his music because of Pac. Pac was Source material for a lot of the ideas Master incorporated into his music.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

The epitome of Quantity ovcer Quality.

 

[Doctor Wily]

Look I loved all of P's and no limit records music back in its day.

But he was the Walmart of rap for those who didnt want to dig deep into the souths & bay area's music and history.

He knew exactly who to bite.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Two dudes in trench coats holding guns posted on a tank. The tank is the only implication of a soldier they had going, but in terms of them making "soulja" songs and rapping about being "souljas" didn't come until after P was out here making Pac tributes and such.

Early No Limit was more toward being a mob than soldiers, which is something they went back to in the late '90's, but more heavily emphasized (the suits, skits, songs, album titles, album covers, and accents).

Ya'll in here acting like it's far fetched that P incorporated being a soldier in his music because of Pac. Pac was Source material for a lot of the ideas Master incorporated into his music.

So he got the tank from PAC is what you are saying??

You do know P, folk. his dad or maybe grandpa was in the service.

Again in 97-98 not only was P saying soulja and reference that term in his music, other artists were doing it to, so I guess they got that from PAC too??

Other artists on NL label were hollering soulja also on their own albums in their own lyrics that they wrote on their own. Had nothing to do with PAC

You act like P was the other person screaming soulja this and soulja that on No Limit label

Soulja Slim, Magnolia Slim, changed his whole name to Soulja Slim and he was on No Limit, so again PAC has an influence on that huh?? Soulja Slim first video was an all out war scene. Mystical another No Limit artist was saying it, he even had a song called Born to be a soulja, so he got that from PAC to??

Again y'all know nothing about nothing and wasn't around in real time to know the real

Explain other artists on the label, No limit saying soulja this and soulja that?? And again these other artists are from New Orleans that is saying all this soulja stuff on their own albums.

Even Snoop started saying it when he came down here, it was the lingo he picked up on. Had nothing to do with PAC

The whole soulja aura was down here in full time mode already

 

[JustCKing]

So he got the tank from PAC is what you are saying??

You do know P, folk. his dad or maybe grandpa was in the service.

Again in 97-98 not only was P saying soulja and reference that term in his music, other artists were doing it to, so I guess they got that from PAC too??

Other artists on NL label were hollering soulja also on their own albums in their own lyrics that they wrote on their own. Had nothing to do with PAC

You act like P was the other person screaming soulja this and soulja that on No Limit label

Soulja Slim, Magnolia Slim, changed his whole name to Soulja Slim and he was on No Limit, so again PAC has an influence on that huh?? Soulja Slim first video was an all out war scene. Mystical another No Limit artist was saying it, he even had a song called Born to be a soulja, so he got that from PAC to??

Again y'all know nothing about nothing and wasn't around in real time to know the real

Explain other artists on the label, No limit saying soulja this and soulja that?? And again these other artists are from New Orleans that is saying all this soulja stuff on their own albums.

Even Snoop started saying it when he came down here, it was the lingo he picked up on. Had nothing to do with PAC

The whole soulja aura was down here in full time mode already

Where did I say he got the tank from Pac?

His people being in the service is irrelevant.

I didn't say P was the only once screaming soulja. This thread is about P biting, so I pointed it out. And it was more than just P biting Pac. In regard to Soulja Slim, the change from Magnolia to Soullja took place the same time he was saying he would "hit No Limit like Pac hit Death Row". Not saying Pac influenced the name change, just noting that Pac was a heavy influence on most if not all of the artists on the label.

And again this isn't even about who said soulja. It's about P and the label claiming to BE soldiers all while lifting quotes and songs from Pac where Pac talked about being a soldier. Snoop wasn't calling random dudes soldiers. He was claiming to be one.

I never said that the whole "soulja aura" wasn't in full effect in the N.O. When No Limit blew up, that whole soldier thing was already mainstream. I already stated other artists who were wearing army fatigues. Pac stood out because:

1) He had songs talking about being a soldier

2) He was also wearing fatigues

3) He was No Limit's biggest source of inspiration and influence. This being the main reason, I pointed it out. No Limit existed before Pac died, but they didn't go all out with the Pac influences until 1997, which is when they started chanting soldier this and soldier that.

Your point about it being an N.O. thing is irrelevant. As I recall P was out here dissing fellow N.O. artists for claiming to be soldiers even when Juve had already put out Soulja Rags years prior. He wasn't talking about the usage of the word. He was talking about "claiming" to be soldiers. This is after B.G. had put out "Cash Money Is An Army".

 

[OHSNAP!]

The epitome of Quantity ovcer Quality.

This certainly doesn't apply to the entire roster. Fiend, Mac, Mia X, Mystikal, Soulja Slim put out great material without constantly shamelessly bitin' others

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Where did I say he got the tank from Pac?

His people being in the service is irrelevant.

I didn't say P was the only once screaming soulja. This thread is about P biting, so I pointed it out. And it was more than just P biting Pac. In regard to Soulja Slim, the change from Magnolia to Soullja took place the same time he was saying he would "hit No Limit like Pac hit Death Row". Not saying Pac influenced the name change, just noting that Pac was a heavy influence on most if not all of the artists on the label.

And again this isn't even about who said soulja. It's about P and the label claiming to BE soldiers all while lifting quotes and songs from Pac where Pac talked about being a soldier. Snoop wasn't calling random dudes soldiers. He was claiming to be one.

I never said that the whole "soulja aura" wasn't in full effect in the N.O. When No Limit blew up, that whole soldier thing was already mainstream. I already stated other artists who were wearing army fatigues. Pac stood out because:

1) He had songs talking about being a soldier

2) He was also wearing fatigues

3) He was No Limit's biggest source of inspiration and influence. This being the main reason, I pointed it out. No Limit existed before Pac died, but they didn't go all out with the Pac influences until 1997, which is when they started chanting soldier this and soldier that.

Your point about it being an N.O. thing is irrelevant. As I recall P was out here dissing fellow N.O. artists for claiming to be soldiers even when Juve had already put out Soulja Rags years prior. He wasn't talking about the usage of the word. He was talking about "claiming" to be soldiers. This is after B.G. had put out "Cash Money Is An Army".

You are guessing my guy, you clearly don't know anything that happened in real time.
If you wasn't around where you could actually listen to the music and live and go outside in the era, then you are taking your thoughts from 2019 and trying to recapture a moment in time where you wasn't around or at an age to fully understand what actually happened.

 

[OHSNAP!]

What's the big deal here @JustCKing and @NO-BadAzz
I mean the bitin' and trendhopping got way worse in the new millenium. Look how many copied the BMF trap sound, ridiculous. DMX, Jay Z, Nas and more bit stuff from Pac, P just did it more blatantly/obvious

 

[JustCKing]

You are guessing my guy, you clearly don't know anything that happened in real time.
If you wasn't around where you could actually listen to the music and live and go outside in the era, then you are taking your thoughts from 2019 and trying to recapture a moment in time where you wasn't around or at an age to fully understand what actually happened.

This isn't the case at all. I feel like we are talking about two different things. You're saying soulja is N.O. slang and I never said it wasn't, but it's clearly different from someone claiming to be a soldier as P dissed CMR for doing it. If this was simply N.O. slang, there would've been no harm in CMR doing it especially since Juve dropped Soulja Rags. Similarly, "hot boys" is N.O. slang, but CMR didn't diss No Limit for the song on Da Last Don, where it was used as slang, they didn't diss until P started advertising the Hot Boyz movie where they claimed to be Hot Boys. Magic called CMR out for "false claiming" on "Soldier Till I Die".

So my point stands. P wasn't using some N.O. slang. He was claiming to be a soldier, which became the theme for No Limit and they were going around saying "a coward dies a thousand deaths, a soldier dies once", which is quoted from "If I Die 2nite" from MATW. Additionally Kane & Abel remade "Soulja Story". I feel that is sufficient enough to say they bit the whole soulja thing from Pac.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

So my point stands. P wasn't using some N.O. slang. He was claiming to be a soldier, which became the theme for No Limit and they were going around saying "a coward dies a thousand deaths, a soldier dies once",

 

[Pop123]

Master P has created a store-brand version of every person, place and thing that has been poppin in the last 20 years

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Even if you find 50 songs he "stole" his catalog has about 5,000 songs and 50 songs is like 1%.... I think every artist has 1% bite rate

Please tell me you ain't being serious.

 

[JustCKing]

Breh we both know P ain't use that quote because of where Pac sampled it from. He used it because it was on MATW.

 

[Wacky D]

sticking to the topic

1. Straw man because you quoted "me" and began talking about what" y'all" are saying. Find a comment from me defending Yuk against Pac biting allegations.........it doesn't exist, so yes it is a straw man. The Yuk comment you'll find from me is in a thread about expensive watches. Some poster put up song from Yuk about flossing watches how stickup kids know better than to try him. In response to that, I posted a video of Yuk on camera admitting to getting robbed of jewels.watches,rings.
(more on people talking on camera later in the thread)

1. fair enough. I have no problem admitting im wrong about that part. it would've been nice if you did the same, seeing how the majority of your post is wrong. but this is the coli.

and now i take that back.

I turn around and see that you upped that yukmouth thread.

I tried to at least give you some credit for something.

professional pump-faker. LOL.

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[Wacky D]

shyt hoody hoo was outkast

he took the term and made a COMPLETELY different song out of it.

the term "hoody hoo" isn't even amongst the main reasons why the song was popular. he could've easily just called it something else.

this is a perfect example of how some of this stuff gets overblown. granted it was blatantly done in poor taste but I cant rock with how people act like his hits are based off of someone else, when if that were the case, their chit would've been hittin' beforehand.

Kane & Abel remade "Soulja Story" and you got people in here still claiming soulja is an N.O. thing (which I'm not saying its not), but "Soulja Story" is clearly a Pac song. No Limit is infamous for lifting Pac's songs and lyrics and you have Pac running around in army fatigues and talking about being a soldier in his music and I'm not talking about saying"what up soldier" or referencing it in a general manner. Breh was repping it like it was a mantra or way of life.

youre getting you times-tables mixed up.

no limit started branding themselves as soldiers long before all the pac tribute records & pac biting.

that kane & abel song didn't drop until summer 1998, which is pretty much around the time when they started going all out with the pac stuff.
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Mystikal was in the armed forces, but never started actually incorporating that into his music until No Limit outside of "Out That Boot Camp Click". So they didn't really get that from him. With Pac, it wasn't just using the word. Again, it was the whole stylizing the word as "soulja" and "souljah" and he was doing this before Bone even blew up. I mean, how many No Limit artists were dressed exactly like this:

And there's these:

this was in-style back then.

and its not like pac was ever really on-camera wearing this aisde from that clip in "above the rim", which was a movie.

it was never part of his brand. and him using the word "soldier" in some raps, isnt that big a deal either.