Master P straight up stealin' from Scarface classic

[Wacky D]

Straw man argument. To deflect from multiple examples of P biting Tupac

false.After the success of the album released after his death, Don Kiluminatti....there was a steady stream of Pac material released in stores, and bootlegs and it sold well. He still appeared on magazine covers for years to come, and several soundalike clones emerged.
Try again with "industry downplayed Pac after he died"

Again false. P might have big down South, but the VERY first exposure he got in NYC was the song on the soundtrack to The Show, which was the "Is There A Heaven for a Gangster" record. First video of his that got ANY airplay up here. So yes, biting Pac was vital to him expanding his reach outside of the South.,,,and breaking as a national act.

that yukmouth comment wasn't a strawman argument, or an argument at all. that comment was pure facts pointing out the inconsistencies of you dudes. and obviously you don't know how to react.

as for the bolded, I see that my comment went way over your heard. none of this has anything to do with what im talking about.
im talking about the slanted coverage, all the dirt they threw on pac's name and the way they played him out like a villain. meanwhile, all of biggie's peoples/associates are shining, reppin him hard & making him out to be an innocent angel. the bullchit FOX special that Ice T did last year basically rekindled memories of the past. because garbage like that was basically the narrative that was shoved down the public's throats on a day-to-day basis back then. people who were around know exactly what im talking about.

master p wasn't just some regional southern rapper who was only big down south just because he hadn't hit NYC yet.

his first big video look was ice cream man. HE WAS ALREADY PLATINUM before "iz there a heaven for a gangsta"(which really wasn't even a pac bite like that, but i'll let you rock). and you up here tryna pop fly talking bout "the show soundtrack". LOL. it was on the "rhyme & reason" soundtrack. "the show" came out a year prior. the most I can say about that video is it was the first no limit vid that MTV felt comfortable playing...….late at night.

and the songs that really expanded no limit to the east coast sounded nothing like 2pac.
he really didn't get into the 2pac stuff until mid-'98, when no limit was ALREADY at its apex.

a lot of revisionist history in your post. you come off a lil young - which is cool, but your posts read like youre piecing stuff together via web forums & half-ass google searches.

 

[get these nets]

that yukmouth comment wasn't a strawman argument, or an argument at all. that comment was pure facts pointing out the inconsistencies of you dudes. and obviously you don't know how to react.

as for the bolded, I see that my comment went way over your heard. none of this has anything to do with what im talking about.
im talking about the slanted coverage, all the dirt they threw on pac's name and the way they played him out like a villain. meanwhile, all of biggie's peoples/associates are shining, reppin him hard & making him out to be an innocent angel. the bullchit FOX special that Ice T did last year basically rekindled memories of the past. because garbage like that was basically the narrative that was shoved down the public's throats on a day-to-day basis back then. people who were around know exactly what im talking about.

master p wasn't just some regional southern rapper who was only big down south just because he hadn't hit NYC yet.

his first big video look was ice cream man. HE WAS ALREADY PLATINUM before "iz there a heaven for a gangsta"(which really wasn't even a pac bite like that, but i'll let you rock). and you up here tryna pop fly talking bout "the show soundtrack". LOL. it was on the "rhyme & reason" soundtrack. "the show" came out a year prior. the most I can say about that video is it was the first no limit vid that MTV felt comfortable playing...….late at night.

and the songs that really expanded no limit to the east coast sounded nothing like 2pac.
he really didn't get into the 2pac stuff until mid-'98, when no limit was ALREADY at its apex.

a lot of revisionist history in your post. you come off a lil young - which is cool, but your posts read like youre piecing stuff together via web forums & half-ass google searches.

sticking to the topic

1. Straw man because you quoted "me" and began talking about what" y'all" are saying. Find a comment from me defending Yuk against Pac biting allegations.........it doesn't exist, so yes it is a straw man. The Yuk comment you'll find from me is in a thread about expensive watches. Some poster put up song from Yuk about flossing watches how stickup kids know better than to try him. In response to that, I posted a video of Yuk on camera admitting to getting robbed of jewels.watches,rings.
(more on people talking on camera later in the thread)

2. I posted evidence that "the industry" was not downplaying Pac at all, and he was a cash cow in death.......posthumous albums, unreleased features, magazine covers, books, clone rappers, tribute songs from his friends, etc illustrate that nobody downplayed his impact after he died. In fact, the myth making started. For more proof of people showing love to Pac after he died, a mural went up in NYC shortly after he died....never defaced, never painted over....from what I know.

3. In the documentary we're both talking about, Master P speaks on camera about how difficult it is to get a single song played on "Battle of the Beats" on hot97 in NYC. Fans over a certain age reading this remember the segment and the Lauryn Hill promo that aired before it. He didn't say difficult to get song played in regular radio rotation, he said to get a song played on the "make it or break it" portion of Angie's show. Which was really for new acts to get shine . When I dig for and post clip of Master P saying this himself, I wonder what your reaction will be.
To be a national artist, you have to get your songs played in the largest media markets. That's why even grimy ass NYC acts like Mobb Deep did promo runs out in L.A. to try to break into radio out there and along the West Coast. Some NY acts never left the mixtape circuit and they were big out here, but they were regional acts......not national ones. So me saying P was a regional act before he got airplay in the largest media market (NY) isn't slander, it's true.

 

[JustCKing]

cosign except the last part.

P got the soldier chit from bone/mo thugs & mystikal.

pac wasn't on that tip.

He bit Pac for the whole soldier mantra. He lifted the whole "a coward dies a million deaths, a soldier dies once" from MATW. Kane & Abel remade Pac's "Soulja Story". Even the way No Limit stylized "soldier" was bitten from Pac. Of course Pac, Nas, and Wu were army fatigues up in the 90's, but it isn't a stretch that he bit that from Pac too.

 

[Igloo Stix]

Straw man argument. To deflect from multiple examples of P biting Tupac



false.After the success of the album released after his death, Don Kiluminatti....there was a steady stream of Pac material released in stores, and bootlegs and it sold well. He still appeared on magazine covers for years to come, and several soundalike clones emerged.
Try again with "industry downplayed Pac after he died"





Again false. P might have big down South, but the VERY first exposure he got in NYC was the song on the soundtrack to The Show, which was the "Is There A Heaven for a Gangster" record. First video of his that got ANY airplay up here. So yes, biting Pac was vital to him expanding his reach outside of the South.,,,and breaking as a national act.



tHIS thread title is about P biting Face, yet people posted several other people that he's copied. Serial biter, clone, copycat and shameless about it. Your rebuttal is

"a yo, dudes copy others every day, B."?

stop it.

Rhyme & Reason soundtrack.

 

[Houston911]

Master p did this so many times lmao

 

[Wacky D]

sticking to the topic

1. Straw man because you quoted "me" and began talking about what" y'all" are saying. Find a comment from me defending Yuk against Pac biting allegations.........it doesn't exist, so yes it is a straw man. The Yuk comment you'll find from me is in a thread about expensive watches. Some poster put up song from Yuk about flossing watches how stickup kids know better than to try him. In response to that, I posted a video of Yuk on camera admitting to getting robbed of jewels.watches,rings.
(more on people talking on camera later in the thread)

2. I posted evidence that "the industry" was not downplaying Pac at all, and he was a cash cow in death.......posthumous albums, unreleased features, magazine covers, books, clone rappers, tribute songs from his friends, etc illustrate that nobody downplayed his impact after he died. In fact, the myth making started. For more proof of people showing love to Pac after he died, a mural went up in NYC shortly after he died....never defaced, never painted over....from what I know.

3. In the documentary we're both talking about, Master P speaks on camera about how difficult it is to get a single song played on "Battle of the Beats" on hot97 in NYC. Fans over a certain age reading this remember the segment and the Lauryn Hill promo that aired before it. He didn't say difficult to get song played in regular radio rotation, he said to get a song played on the "make it or break it" portion of Angie's show. Which was really for new acts to get shine . When I dig for and post clip of Master P saying this himself, I wonder what your reaction will be.
To be a national artist, you have to get your songs played in the largest media markets. That's why even grimy ass NYC acts like Mobb Deep did promo runs out in L.A. to try to break into radio out there and along the West Coast. Some NY acts never left the mixtape circuit and they were big out here, but they were regional acts......not national ones. So me saying P was a regional act before he got airplay in the largest media market (NY) isn't slander, it's true.

1. fair enough. I have no problem admitting im wrong about that part. it would've been nice if you did the same, seeing how the majority of your post is wrong. but this is the coli.

2. what the hell? I see im talking to a wall here. get a clue son.

3. that's not what you said. you clearly stated that master p's first VIDEO exposure in nyc was "heaven for a gangsta".
and again, just because you don't get play in one state, or even one coast, doesn't mean that youre regional.

man I see that im wasting my time here. you clearly weren't around.

He bit Pac for the whole soldier mantra. He lifted the whole "a coward dies a million deaths, a soldier dies once" from MATW. Kane & Abel remade Pac's "Soulja Story". Even the way No Limit stylized "soldier" was bitten from Pac. Of course Pac, Nas, and Wu were army fatigues up in the 90's, but it isn't a stretch that he bit that from Pac too.

BE SMART SON.

im talking about the whole soldier branding presentation.

he got that from bone/mo thugs and mystikal.

that wasn't pac's steez just cuz he used the word "soldier" here-n-there. that was never his lane.

 

[JustCKing]

BE SMART SON.

im talking about the whole soldier branding presentation.

he got that from bone/mo thugs and mystikal.

that wasn't pac's steez just cuz he used the word "soldier" here-n-there. that was never his lane.

Mystikal was in the armed forces, but never started actually incorporating that into his music until No Limit outside of "Out That Boot Camp Click". So they didn't really get that from him. With Pac, it wasn't just using the word. Again, it was the whole stylizing the word as "soulja" and "souljah" and he was doing this before Bone even blew up. I mean, how many No Limit artists were dressed exactly like this:

And there's these:



^^^ how many variations of this chorus did Master P make.




^^^ it's not just using the word, it's songs and the way it's sylized



^^^ how many times did P flip the intro to this song

So many battlefield scars while driven in plush cars
This life as a rap star is nothing without heart
Was born rough and rugged, addressing the mass public
My attitude was "fukk it", cause motherfukkers love it
To be a soldier, must maintain composure at ease

^^^ the whole "soulja"/soldier style was definitely Pac's lane

 

[Rice N Beans]

Master Pilfer.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

N.O. & a Louisiana always called each other soulja. Juvenile was telling the world about solja rags & solja reebok tennis. Had nothing to do with pac

LOG been explained the difference between west coast gangstas & down south solja

 

[JustCKing]

N.O. & a Louisiana always called each other soulja. Juvenile was telling the world about solja rags & solja reebok tennis. Had nothing to do with pac

LOG been explained the difference between west coast gangstas & down south solja

None of this means that Master P didn't bite it from Pac especially since P was on the West and Down South. Master P wasn't on record talking about being soldiers until they started jocking Pac.

There is not a difference between how Pac was using it and how P used it later.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

P is the biggest biter I've ever seen and heard in my life.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

None of this means that Master P didn't bite it from Pac especially since P was on the West and Down South. Master P wasn't on record talking about being soldiers until they started jocking Pac.

There is not a difference between how Pac was using it and how P used it later.

Juvenile, LOG, And P dropped their songs about being a souljah back in 97. They all from the same city and have no ties to each other. Them calling each other a solider had nothing to do with Pac. It was a regional slang of new orleans at the time. Sister Souljah was a actor/rapper/activist that used the term before pac. I guess pac was biting her since he called himself a souljah and later became a actor/rapper/activist.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Master P as an exec is inspiriting

Master P as an artist is embarrassing

 

[JustCKing]

Juvenile, LOG, And P dropped their songs about being a souljah back in 97. They all from the same city and have no ties to each other. Them calling each other a solider had nothing to do with Pac. It was a regional slang of new orleans at the time. Sister Souljah was a actor/rapper/activist that used the term before pac. I guess pac was biting her since he called himself a souljah and later became a actor/rapper/activist.

And 1997 is the year P was out here making tribute songs to Pac. This wasn't them calling each other "soulja" in the same way they used "whodi" or "round". This was something that P and them were rapping and calling themselves.

And I'm well aware of Sista Soulja having that name and she's from the same era.

P was not using that as some regional slang and anyone that listened to the songs knew that "soulja" carried the same connotation as when Pac and Sista Soulja used it.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

And 1997 is the year P was out here making tribute songs to Pac. This wasn't them calling each other "soulja" in the same way they used "whodi" or "round".

Are you crazy?everybody down here in Louisiana especially was calling each other soldiers back then. Soulja was just as big or bugger than “whodie” down here. We used that shyt just as much as “nikka” or any other common terms. I just proved it by the other rappers from the same city and the same year using it. You speaking on something that you know nothing about. If you wasnt here so you dont know what common slang was here.

I remember being in the staking rinks & teen clubs back in that era. nikkas throwing they soulja rags in the era like helicopters on the middle of the floor. One around your neck or one around your head. The shyt we was doing had nothing to do with Pac or Master P. P always took something that was already hot thats in the era. That soulja shyt was popping in the NO. So he incorporated the tank logo and ran with that before somebody else down here did. Thats like the term hotboy. They had real headbussas calling each other hotboys in the n.o before the group was ever thought of. CMR just took a local n.o. Phrase and magnified it


The slang “bout it” was already down here. He did the same with that. Now people think of P when he aint the first to do it

Mannie Fresh's issues with Master P go back to the height of their careers when Mannie accused the mogul of stealing the "Bout It" phrase.