Matt Cassel with pass of the year [football stats rant]

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that safety's brain couldn't even process how poorly that ball was thrown :wow:
 

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Yeah, you're a little off with this one.

Obviously plays like this are impossible to incorporate into an advanced metric. But it's not like this happens more than once a season for a QB, so it's essentially meaningless. And they'd even out anyway when they throw a good pass that the WR tips into the air and is intercepted.

The point of advanced metric isn't to make the box score tell the WHOLE story. But by adding context like down, distance, game score, play result, etc it adds a lot more context that raw passing numbers. A 5-yard completion on 3rd-and-4 is a much more productive play than a 15-yard completion on 3rd-and-20. As I understand it, QBR does that.
right, this is an extreme case. but for someone like DBs, who are often judged by picks and tackles, this is far bigger issue. you have a safety that picks some deflected passes and gets a pick from nothing. he couldve completely fukked up covering what he was supposed to, and still get a pick...
 

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im sorry but i have a hard time believing outlier type plays like this heavily distort a quarterbacks passing stats
a 5 yard slant taken to the house by a WR can distort stats as well

but this wasnt a jab at QBs, for once. more to show even though stats are a big part of estimating whats good and what not, context is still extremely important.

thats why Im starting to dislike redzone babies. redzone shows all the redzone and scoring plays, but neglects the context of drives.
 

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Minnesota has horrible options at QB, why do the Vikings refuse to get AP some real help
 

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@bk if enough posters want to neg a poster in one thread can that poster then be temporarily banned from posting/making threads? :ld:

I say that b/c I think @yseJ deserves a timeout for his views on QBs and awful thread making about QBs. Somebody had to say it brehs I'm gettin tired of seeing his bullshyt :manny:
 

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awful thread making about qbs ? this is my first thread about qbs Ive made in forever :heh:
I barely even make threads.

and funnily enough, its not about qbs at all, if you bothered to read it. its about stat distortion

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Just remember Matt Cassell's first yr starting compares favorably with Tom Brady's first yr in the league @YouMadd? :troll:
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Tom Brady's first full year as a starter(after already winning a superbowl) he put up 28TD/11INTs while Cassell put up 21TD's/11 INTs

That gap is a little farther than Matt Ryans 17TDs/11INT to Ponders 20TDs/12INTs in their respective first full seasons as starters

Now If Matt Ryan had a bunch of superbowls and was considered a top QB of all time, do you think I would be using his stats as a comparison to Ponder? :heh:
 

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:laugh:

Tom Brady's first full year as a starter(after already winning a superbowl) he put up 28TD/11INTs while Cassell put up 21TD's/11 INTs

That gap is a little farther than Matt Ryans 17TDs/11INT to Ponders 20TDs/12INTs in their respective first full seasons as starters

Now If Matt Ryan had a bunch of superbowls and was considered a top QB of all time, do you think I would be using his stats as a comparison to Ponder? :heh:

WRONG

Tom's first full year starting was in 2001 where he passed for 2800 yards, 18 TDs & 12 INTs

Cassell had almost 3,700 yards passing with 21 TDs & 11 INTs.

Again their first year starting they compare favorably :troll:
 

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right, this is an extreme case. but for someone like DBs, who are often judged by picks and tackles, this is far bigger issue. you have a safety that picks some deflected passes and gets a pick from nothing. he couldve completely fukked up covering what he was supposed to, and still get a pick...
nothing wrong with a DB that can catch or be around the ball

we had a thread on here a few weeks ago saying Darren Sharper was underrated, primarily because he was a ball hawk.
 

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nothing wrong with a DB that can catch or be around the ball

we had a thread on here a few weeks ago saying Darren Sharper was underrated, primarily because he was a ball hawk.
IDA yeah the TO are cool but when you blow assignments and allow long gains because of freelancing that DB hurts the team.

OTOH unpredictable DBs do give QBs problems. :lolbron:
 

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IDA yeah the TO are cool but when you blow assignments and allow long gains because of freelancing that DB hurts the team.

OTOH unpredictable DBs do give QBs problems. :lolbron:
im actually cosigning. id rather have the reliable DB who i know will cover and will make a stop, versus the 1 in 10 guy.

But, having a ball hawk isnt bad either.
 
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