@Matt504 wants to explain why he wants Black people to be sterilized

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We seriously gonna debate whether or not people should have kids?

We gonna overlook people who were raised poor and either sought to change their position or just naturally did better in life than their parents and succeeded?

shyt if that's the case we will have to reform immigration, no kids and you can't have them until you meet a certain income threshold.
I'm against eugenics but it's proven that only a quarter of people in the lowest income bracket rise up to middle class. There are also statistics that rich black children have a much higher chance at falling to a lower income class than white children. So while the bolded is possible is not something you can hang your hat on.
 

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We seriously gonna debate whether or not people should have kids?

We gonna overlook people who were raised poor and either sought to change their position or just naturally did better in life than their parents and succeeded?

shyt if that's the case we will have to reform immigration, no kids and you can't have them until you meet a certain income threshold.

I agree, but I also think about the many folks who didn't reform and took the lives of those who were trying to and/or did.

But the income threshold would be interesting :jbhmm:

But it would have to move with inflation :francis:

And since most wages don't :wow:

At least folks are actually having a discussion:ehh:

I don't think OP expected this :lolbron:
 

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I see what you saying.

But... We skipping steps
From the jump
Is it not a womans job to choose a stable responsible man to be the father of her children.
Good decision making is largely driven by upbringing. It's unfair to expect someone to know what's in their best interest later in life when they haven't been taught, nor shown what that is all along.
 

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Good decision making is largely driven by upbringing. It's unfair to expect someone to know what's in their best interest latter in life when they haven't been taught, nor shown what that is all along.

This is my biggest gripe with the idea of letting the chips fall where they may on the hopes that everything will work itself out in the context of children.

the older we grow, the more set in our ways we are. If your foundational years were spent in dysfunction, you WILL carry that into your adulthood.
 

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Meh...

You have a somewhat valid point here..

If you haven't noticed, people go off on emotion a lot on here.

It's different if you hear someone out after discussing their entire POV and then you disagree.

But some folks get caught up with fear,anger,trauma etc. from the mere mention of certain words,statements,phrases etc. and they close off communication.

And this is a universal human thing, not a Black folk thing. Guess you gotta always specify that now :russ:
 

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In the interest of discussing the actual matter, can someone explain the negative aspects of impeding an adult from having further kids when they have proven they cannot take care of the existing ones?

There's the chance their fortune changes and they acquire the resources to provide for their children in a meaningful way, but what about in the case they don't?

What's the benefit in leaving a child's life to society when we as a whole will never love and raise that kid as our own? Child rearing is an immense responsibility that requires a lot of sacrifice. Why are we comfortable in letting adults skirt that responsibility?
Having children and creating life is an inalienable human right and the driving force behind all living organisms.

Consequently, eugenics are one of the most serious violation of human rights possible.
 

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I will say this...

If you are a pedo, child abuser, heavy drug abuser, rapist...then yeah you probably shouldn’t bring kids into this world. Especially if you are pedo...you should have your genitals removed with a rusty knife.

But sterilization because of income is insane
 

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This is my biggest gripe with the idea of letting the chips fall where they may on the hopes that everything will work itself out in the context of children.

the older we grow, the more set in our ways we are. If your foundational years were spent in dysfunction, you WILL carry that into your adulthood.
This is the shyt that kills me, especially when folks dress it up with "God will provide/take care". Large portion of the population been living in dire straits for generations yet still holding on to this hope in place of actual action to improve their situation.
 

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Having children and creating life is an inalienable human right and the driving force behind all living organisms.

Consequently, eugenics are one of the most serious violation of human rights possible.
I agree.

Would you agree that the parents of said children should bear the responsibility of raising and providing for them?

Also, the initial idea put forth was to impede parents that HAVE children already from further procreation when they have proven they're incapable of taking care of the existing ones. What are your thoughts on that?
 

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It’s funny how dudes on here will support abortion but then get all offended at the idea of paying people to get themselves sterilized. :mjlol:
 

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I agree.

1) Would you agree that the parents of said children should bear the responsibility of raising and providing for them?

2) Also, the initial idea put forth was to impede parents that HAVE children already from further procreation when they have proven they're incapable of taking care of the existing ones. What are your thoughts on that?
1) Not necessarily. Different societies had and have different paradigms in place when it comes to the modalities of children care. In some, it is a role that lies on the entire family structure, in others, the whole village. Sometimes, there is dedicated segment of society that takes the role of raising the youth until they become adults.

In western societies, it is mostly the responsibility of the blood parents. I don't think that it should be that way, but I think it’s nothing more than one perspective.

2) For that to be, you'd have to set in stone and in law, that this unique perspective I described above is not only absolutely valid, but of a superior importance than the universal principle of creating life as an inalienable right. It is a violation even if you have had children already. That's stripping away a fundamental right, and confining it within the bounds of a limited perspective.

In addition, we'd have to agree on what "taking care of" means, and here lies another significant part of the issue. Is there an objective way to decide what it means?
 

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If you haven't noticed, people go off on emotion a lot on here.

It's different if you hear someone out after discussing their entire POV and then you disagree.

But some folks get caught up with fear,anger,trauma etc. from the mere mention of certain words,statements,phrases etc. and they close off communication.

And this is a universal human thing, not a Black folk thing. Guess you gotta always specify that now :russ:

I agree. Talking about responsibility gets people pissed off..
 
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