FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
That's why Super Team is really just a loaded phrase made to attack the players who form them and question their fortitude. Hence both LeBron AND Durant being defensive about it.
Max Kellerman: "LeBron created a Superteam with Miami. KD just raised him one"
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MooseMouthMthafuga
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You people are like women the way you’re spiteful vindictive and hold grudges.
MooseMouthMthafuga
Veteran
That's not a grudge, just an observation.It makes plenty sense.Cause & effect
Those doesn't count according to experts it's fine to join forces when your toward the end of career, not in control of your own.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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That was a prep rally, you do know what prep rallys are right.
Show me another pep rally where a player confidently proclaimed 7+ rings
At most a team will talk about bringing a championship home THAT year. This nikka really believed he was bringing a decade of dominance to South Beach and you clowns tryna rewrite history to act like that wasn't a super team.
Disgusting.
Y’all keep tryna force this false equivalence between Lebron and kd out of spite. It’s not a valid comparison. KD had already been on teams as talented as lebron’s heat teams prior to going to GS. There are never been a time in KD’s career when he’s been asked to do as much let alone more for his teams to succeed than Lebron has for his teams. Y’all make are making invalid comparisons and not being honest.
Dr. Narcisse
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What KD did was worse.
However, LeBron had the same intent to dominate like the Warriors are currently doing.
The irony of the Not 1, Not 2,....if he simply said we can be in the finals that many times...he would have been right.
However, LeBron had the same intent to dominate like the Warriors are currently doing.
The irony of the Not 1, Not 2,....if he simply said we can be in the finals that many times...he would have been right.
MooseMouthMthafuga
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I'm not trying to force anything.The universe did it to Bron.KD to GS put a block on his ring collection.
His move to Miami obviously influenced Durant.It rippled through time, reverberated back around, and sonic boomed in his face.
Now he'll probably never collect another precious metal.Bron got greedy and tried to take too much.It awakened the karma Gods.
The Miami Heat team weren’t 73-9 when LeBron joined, so it wasn’t a real SuperteamIf Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins and Magic Johnson joined up, as long as the team didn’t go 73-9 before they got together then it wasn’t a real Superteam
Point being the Warriors were a great team without Durant. Clearly. That Miami team without Lebron is a second round team in 2011, and gets bad quickly after that with Wade's knee. Do remember the 2015 Heat.
Biscayne
Ocean air
KD's ppg are also down you dumb fukk.
He went from 28 ppg with OKC to 25 ppg with GS
Lebron went from 29.7 to 26.7
You really don't think before you type do you.
Of course Durant fits more seemlessly in Golden Stats offense. He's a spot up jump shooter who doesn't create nor make his teammates better as to why he struggled when he played with 2 MVPs and a defensive allstar in OKC
In GS Curry and to a lesser extent Draymond is the guy who creates and runs the offense.
Durant gets to be the sidekick he always wanted to be.
You know what you are right, if it wasn't for LeBron trying to defer to Wade and Bosh in 2011 we wouldn't have the killer we have now
It was Wade's inability to close out the Mavs that gave us the GOAT
I concede that point
LeBron still carried them nikkas 2012-2014
2012 Eastern Conference Finals
LeBron James
33.6 ppg, 11 rpg, 4 apg
52.7% FG
Dwyane Wade
21.4 ppg, 6 rpg, 5 apg
44% FG
Progressively worse. They were 1 game away from the finals
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bytch nikka take. Real nikkas don't respect it.
Because the difference in production between KD and LeBron us neglible compared to Curry averaging a triple double and Wade averaging 19 ppg
You said it yourself Curry is the Cog that makes the Warriors go. Did Wade make the Heat go?
So exactly what is your argument dummy?
The Heat needed every bit of Wades struggle points. Same way Durant needed to play with the 2 best shooters of all time to win a ring
2012 Eastern Conference Finals
LeBron James
33.6 ppg, 11 rpg, 4 apg
52.7% FG
Dwyane Wade
21.4 ppg, 6 rpg, 5 apg
44% FG
^^^^That's my point! Fact of the matter is, GS relies more on ball movement and body movement than any of those heat teams. KD's numbers weren't gonna suffer too much under golden states system and they didn't. Look at his ppg in the finals and throughout the playoffs. LeBron and Wade did Alot of the samething's, so one was gonna have to be the off ball player and sacrifice more production for the system to work as well as it did. Wade was literally putting up 30ppg against Boston the before 2012 and averaged more ppg than bron for that whole 2011 playoff run. Wade nor LeBron were good spot up shooters. They were both got their points at the rim and needed the ball in their hands to create for others.
You say KD "gets to be sidekick" while averaging the most ppg and getting the finals MVP. You keep saying "Steph avenged damn near a triple double" and use that as your metric to downplay KD's role within Golden States system. Fact of the matter is, the only Curry only averaged more assist than KD. KD scored more points, grabbed more boards, and played more positions defensively and was much more of a defensive impact. KD's production was akin to LeBron's when he played in Miami. The only metric where Curry or LeBron outdid KD were assist. Steph's ability to run the offense shouldn't make KD a "sidekick" when it was KD who checked LeBron, and it was KD who they relied on to carry the scoring load. If you wanna just use a players ability to run the offense and create for others as the metric to delegate them to leader or sidekick status than that's on you. But 35/8/6 isn't sidekick status in this universe or the next. Just because KD's game fit in Golden States offense like the perfect puzzle piece, doesn't mean you get to relegate him to sidekick status and completely dismiss his production.
"It's not fair that KD can shoot well. He's a sidekick!!"
*While he hoist the Finals MVP trophy*
You're proving my point and proving Max Kellermans point. A Super-er team.
And as for Wade "failing to close out the mavs" my biggest regret is Wade not pulling a Kobe in Game2 and demanding the ball at the 6min mark in the fourth quarter. It was Wade who put Miami up by 15 in Game 2 off of his 36 and 11, and after that they kept trying to force feed lebron to get him going, perhaps for the next game. LeBron's production in the 4th quarter was horrible that whole series. They kept relying on Wade through the first 3 and even deep into the 4th and then they'd try to get LeBron going. I blame Wade for 2011 also....
Biscayne
Ocean air
He was an all star. Klay is an all star. Dray is an all star. Neither are superstars. The only 2 superstars on GS are Steph and KD. Similar the 2 superstars on Miami were Wade and LeBron. If your 3rd best player is a perennial all star, who made his bones as a perennial all star before he joined his superteam, than you're in pretty good shape. At least with Klay and Dray we haven't seen their potential with other teams. So all their accolade have come playing with Golden State in that system.. Bosh was making a name for himself and was one of the most coveted free agents off of what he was able to do in Toronto.
Biscayne
Ocean air
Remember the 2016 Heat? They were a game away from facing Cleveland in the 2016 ECF. A 34yr old Wade was the best player on that team. Still getting it done. Without LeBron Miami doesn't get to 4 straight finals. But looking at LeBron's career before joining Miami, what was he able to do? We saw a young Wade as the centerpiece of championship team. Darn near everyone off that 06 heat team retired after Wade carried them to a title. The narrative when LeBron joined Wade in 2011, was that he was joining another franchise player who had already led his team to a title, and adding another perennial all-star as the 3rd wheel to that trio.