Max Kellerman: Lebron is a better offensive player than Kevin Durant

[AlainLocke]

And what are you basing this on - the box score? Why do we need to keep going through re-runs of this shyt like y'all ain't hip to the nuances of the game, or shyt that's been blatantly staring at you every cotdamn season for the better part of a decade? I mean really, there's no reason why anyone who regularly watches the NBA should have this opinion, apart from those who've been picketing for Harden in vain -- and will continue on until the death.

How is it different? Isn't the best measurement of someone's ability in a "big game" [playoff] circumstance? Or are you unintentionally admitting that you fell for the okey-doke....

We are taking about offensive talent and the ability to generate points... not about who is clutch...it's pretty much statistical proven the only people in the league that do that at super elite level is LeBron and Harden.

There are 82 games in the season, not gonna be in that retarded fan shyt and act like man that dropped 27 and 11 isn't elite at that because of 2 or 3 games in the post season

Especially since his time at Houston he dropped 27 points at 57

That's that dumb fan shyt...Harden even has the same free throw rate in the post season as the regular season

His only outliers post seasons was last year and 2013-2014

Harden has been a Top 3 offensive player for about 4 years now

If Harden left the Rockets right now, they'll be an 8th seed at best.

If people wanna be on some dumb shyt and act like James Harden didn't post all time great numbers back to back...and was MVP caliber 2 years straight...then that's on them

I ain't about narratives and storylines...I care about numbers

Harden is one of the greatest offensive talents ever... numbers don't lie

 

[camer999]

THIS GUY DESERVES TO GET HIT BY A CAR DRIVEN BY LEBRON.

He really covered all the bases he came with all the facts

 

[Sccit]

He really covered all the bases he came with all the facts

I DIDNT EVEN READ IT TBH, BUT NOW THAT U SAID THAT, I READ THE FIRST SENTENCE AND IT'S ALREADY STRAIGHT BULLSHIIT...UNLIKE HIS OPENING SENTENCE CLAIMS, NOT EVERYONE NEEDS A "SECONDARY SCORER". KOBE WON BACK-TO-BACK WITHOUT A SECONDARY SCORER......AND THAT'S JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE.

THAT DUDE IS A COMPUTER GENERATED NICK WRIGHT PROGRAMMED TO HAND PICK STATS AND SKEW COMMON LOGIC IN ORDER TO RIDE LEBRON'S DICC.

IT'S SOME OF THE MOST DISINGENOUS GROUPIEISM I'VE EVER SEEN. STOP FALLIN FOR IT FOLKS.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

What does this has to do with game

This is like how people used to say Carmelo is the better scorer than Lebron cause he got more moves although LeBron has been better at putting the ball in the bucket since idk 2006

Nobody else in the league generates points like Harden besides LeBron

If we were talking about late game or big game performance...that's different...

Even then...lol James Harden with the Rockets is dropping 27 a game on 57 true shooting percentage

What does failing in the playoffs every single year have to do with game? You don't know?

Breh, if your game only works in the regular season or in the easiest playoff games, then it's not an elite game.

It's not just "big game performance", it's damn near EVERY important playoff game. I already laid it out for you. He's played poorly in 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round, Finals, it doesn't matter, if the competition in tough and dialed in and the refs aren't calling his flops, he struggles.

And 27ppg on 57% true shooting (inflated heavily by 9ft/game) ain't impressive when we're talking about the top of basketball. LeBron has averaged nearly 30ppg on 59% true shooting over the last ten postseasons, and that's despite making far more difficult deep runs into the playoffs against tougher defenses than Harden has had to face in his early exits.

 

[homiedontplaydat]

What "pieces" does LeBron desperately need to win a title that aren't necessary for every other title team too? You named a secondary scorer and a couple shooters. EVERY team needs a secondary scorer and a couple shooters, so what kind of sense does that make?




Bullshyt. That doesn't explain the Miami offense in 2012-2014 at all. You seem completely ignorant of what offense Miami was actually running in that period:

The Evolution of King James

LeBron got to the Finals in 2012 with a lineup that only had 1-2 spotup shooters on the floor at any time, Chalmers and Battier/Miller. And there was no bullshyt "all-star player who sacrificed his game to stand in the corner." Bosh only made 10 corner threes in the entire 2012 season, regular season and postseason combined. Wade, not to be outdone, only made TWO corner threes the entire season. The only all-star who has regularly hit corner threes for a LeBron team in his entire 15-year career has been Kevin Love, and that's because Love is inefficient everywhere else on the floor. And even Love makes less than 1 corner three a game (though he shoots 40% from three in the corner, so he should be there).

And LeBron had no elite secondary scorer who could get his own shot in 2007, 2015, or 2018, yet he still made it to the Finals all three of those years. Plug-and-play indeed.




The way you describe it suggests a terrible, inefficient offense. Yet LeBron has run some of the most efficient offenses of all-time. So either you're full of crap, or LeBron is a brilliant player who can run a crap system so well that he still gets tremendous results.




You do realize that only 2 players can be in the corners at any one time, right? The idea that professional NBA ballplayers completely forget how to play basketball just because they happen to be on the same team as LeBron is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Wade, Bosh, and Kyrie all had the most efficient seasons of their careers playing with LeBron. They were getting the BEST shots of their career playing with him, and you're talking like they forgot how to play. The only "great" player whose offense declined with LeBron was Love, and that was simply because he was exposed have to produce at an efficient rate against tough defenses instead of stat-padding for a crap team.




The idea that the player who has the NBA records for playoff scoring, elimination game scoring, Game 7 scoring, playoff game-winners, playoff buzzer-beaters, and who has led the NBA in clutch points more often than anyone else in the last 20 years actually "gets scared" when the game is on the line is another one of the dumbest narratives out there.




Funny how if KD is so great and a plug-and-play guy, why did Curry, Klay, and Draymond all shoot WORSE the year that Durant joined the team? Klay's shooting has recovered, Curry's and Draymond's are still well below their 2016 numbers. And why did Golden State win FEWER games each year with KD than they had in 2016 when Harrison Barnes was in Durant's place? You would think that KD would be a massive improvement, right? Your evidence for "plug and play" doesn't sound that solid.

Meanwhile, LeBron plugged himself into all of these lineups:

Boobie-Sasha-Gooden-Z
Bibby-Wade-Bosh-Joel Anthony
Chalmers-Wade-Battier-Haslem
Chalmers-Wade-Bosh-Haslem
Chalmers-Wade-Rashard-Bosh
Delly-Shump-TT-Mosgov
Kyrie-JR-Love-TT
Hill-JR-Love-TT

And made it to the Finals with every one. Lineups where the secondary scorer was Boobie or Delly or Love. Lineups where 2-3 guys who couldn't hit threes were on the court at all times. Lineups with players who couldn't hit a shot outside of the restricted zone. He made it work with all of them. Durant has only made it work when his lineup was completely stacked.

Bron Ball is a ponzi scheme, it's about time we admit it

Prepare for more stars to bypass the Lakers, the players are now up on game on how the Bron Ball system works. More players would join up with KD than Bron because they know KD can get his without hindering other ppls game.

 

[Paper Boi]

go watch game one of the finals this year.

 

[steph_harden]

Regular season stats in a system which loads up stats on the point man, with the additional advantage that he's gaming the refs at a rate possibly unprecedented in basketball history. There have been notorious floppers before, but none that ever shot fts at the rate Harden does.

But when he gets to the playoffs he sucks. Since Harden became "the man", he's shot 41% from the field and averaged 4.4 turnovers/game in the playoffs. And he chokes at the end every damn year.

2010: Averages 7ppg on 39% shooting in a first-round loss to the Lakers, stumbling to just 2 points on 1-3 shooting in the deciding Game 6.

2012: Chokes terribly in the Finals, averaging 12ppg on 37% shooting and looking like the weak point in the Thunder offense for that series.

2013: Loses in the first round shooting 39% against a Westbrook-less OKC team. Harden goes 7-22 with 4 turnovers in the deciding game with the Thunder guards lighting him up left and right.

2014: Loses in the first round shooting 38% against a Portland team that hadn't won a playoff series since 2000.

2015: In Game 6 of the 2nd round, goes 5-20 with only 2 rebounds and 3 assists while getting lit up left and right by CP3 in what should be the deciding game, only to be bailed out by Josh Smith and company in a massive 4th-quarter comeback while Harden rode the pine. Follows it up by going down to the Warriors in one of the worst deciding games in NBA playoff history, shooting 2-11 while committing a playoff-record 12 turnovers and 5 personal fouls.

2016: Goes down weakly to the Warriors shooting 41% in the 1st round, blown out by 33 in the deciding game.

2017: Loses to a Kawhi-less Spurs in the 2nd round in another WOAT deciding game, going 2-11 with 6 turnovers before fouling out while letting the starting guard combo of Patty Mills and Jonathan Simmons abuse him all night long. Loses by 40 to a team that had Patty and Simmons as the 2nd and 3rd options on offense.

2018: CP3 shows that he can do what Harden can't, helping carry the Rockets to a 1st-round win despite Harden going 8-21 in the deciding game, then carrying them to a 2nd-round win over the Jazz in a series where Harden went 8-22 and 7-22 in the last two games. CP3 stakes Houston to a 3-2 lead in the WCF despite Harden going 5-21 with 6 turnovers in Game 5, but when CP3 goes down the Rockets fold too, with Harden shooting 41% and committing 14 turnovers in the final two games.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

We are taking about offensive talent and the ability to generate points... not about who is clutch...

Except for the fact you specifically said - "If we were talking about late game or big game performance...that's different...", and I even referenced that statement in my post when replying - "Isn't the best measurement of someone's ability in a "big game" [playoff] circumstance?"; don't shamelessly shift the focus from what I quoted (in bold) you saying and even clarified with playoff circumstance/performance.

Not to mention the "clutch" period of a game is reflective of offensive talent and ability to generate points - the tempo/pace is slowed right down (less opportunities for fast break points/cherry-picking) and defenses are more tuned in than any other interval of the game, which needless to say, brings a player's flaws to the surface.

Now onto the "big game performances"/playoffs:

"Over the last 4-5 seasons, Harden's been exposed in a playoff environment, over and over, and over, and over, and over again. Yet folk still couldn't see (or didn't want to acknowledge, in some cases) that his game was nothing more than slapstick; a farcical legerdemain act. Folk still couldn't see a player whose lack of skillset was covered up by eating off easy scoring opportunities and hamming for foul calls during the regular season. Folk still couldn't see a player whose slothful, gutless temperament was reflected by his tendency to take shortcuts and exhaust loopholes, on both ends of the floor. The postseason climate peeled back his game to its very core, exposing it to the rays of teams' game-planning, concentrated defensive schemes and the allowment of more contact. From fans, to current/ex-players, to arbiters/analysts - everyone was fooled. Everyone.

As the #1 option he's shot 41% from the field, and averaged nearly 5 turnovers per game over the last 4-5 postseasons. With some historically WOAT playoff performances along the way, particularly in pivotal games/moments:

10 points on 18% shooting, 6 turnovers vs Spurs '17 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1a)
13 points on 17% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Spurs '17 playoffs
16 points on 31% shooting, 7 turnovers vs Thunder '17 playoffs
18 points on 30% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Warriors '16 playoffs
14 points on 18% shooting, 13 turnovers vs Warriors '15 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1b)
23 points on 25% shooting vs Clippers '15 playoffs (watched his team overcome a 19-pt deficit from the bench in an elimination game)
27 points on 28% shooting, 4 turnovers vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
17 points on 33% shooting vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
18 points on 31% shooting, 5 turnovers vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
20 points on 30% shooting vs Thunder '13 playoffs
15 points on 33% shooting, 10 turnovers vs Thunder '13 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1c)
26 points on 31% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Thunder '13 playoffs (elimination game)"

This then continued on into the '18 postseason where he struggled to shoot above 40% in every single series (plus averaged four turnovers a game), and like many times before ended up shooting his team into a hole (during a close-out game against the Jazz), where he needed his teammates to bail him out.

Look at his efficiency in the postseason compared to the best high-volume scorers on actual field goals (excluding FT):

Harden - 19 ppg on 48 eFG%
Curry - 21.7 ppg on 57 eFG%
LeBron - 22 ppg on 53 eFG%
Durant - 21.6 ppg on 52 eFG%

Fewer points on considerably worse efficiency, especially in comparison to Curry.

There are 82 games in the season, not gonna be in that retarded fan shyt and act like man that dropped 27 and 11 isn't elite at that because of 2 or 3 games in the post season

The problem with this is, it's been evident for a while now that he can get away with this con during the regular season, by manipulating shyt to go in his favor, and capitalizing on that through monopolizing the ball - it's only natural someone in his position (playing in the most box-score friendly system in modern NBA history) with his style of play can put up false readings of his ability if you go by his box score #s (which is one of the many reasons why the traditional box score needs to be abandoned altogether, because it's not a direct reflection of performance, skillset and impact).

Furthermore, you should NOT be looking at the box score to determine a player's ability at generating points - it's absent of role, time of possession (which Harden is near the top in every single season), offensive scheme (again, in the most box-score friendly system), and style of play.

That's that dumb fan shyt...Harden even has the same free throw rate in the post season as the regular season

Nah, the dumb shyt is YOU only caring about #s, and yet you still can't even get that right -

"He averages more minutes in the playoffs (since going to Houston), if we were to break it down on an equal minute basis (per 36):

Regular season:

26.3 ppg on 17.4 shots, 44% shooting (51 eFG%), 5.7 rebounds, 7.3 assists - 9.7 FTA, 4.2 turnovers

Playoffs:

25.4 ppg on 17.8 shots, 41% shooting (48 eFG%), 5.2 rebounds, 6.2 assists - 9.4 FTA, 4.3 turnovers

2017 Regular season:

28.8 ppg on 18.7 shots, 44% shooting (52 eFG%), 8.1 rebounds, 11.1 assists - 10.8 FTA, 5.7 turnovers

2017 Playoffs:

27.7 ppg on 19.3 shots, 41% shooting (48 eFG%), 5.3 rebounds, 8.2 assists - 10.2 FTA, 5.2 turnovers

That's a notable drop across the board. But again, you can't just go by the box score #s, you have to take into account how many times he drives regular season v. postseason (he drove 15.5 times per game but only had 10.5 FTA in the '17 postseason, whereas he drove 10.7 times per game and had 10.9 FTA in the regular season - he drove the ball nearly 50% more in the postseason but still had less free throw attempts). You also have to take into account how long he handled the ball for (he had a higher time of possession in the '17 playoffs compared to the regular season). You have to look at the calls/non-calls throughout the games, and what kind of shots he took - I mean I saw him complain about 7-8 times at least throughout the 11 playoff games he played, and I barely saw him complain much throughout the regular season. Certainly not to the same degree he did in the playoffs. You have to look at what moments in the game he scored points and against what kind of defensive coverage. You have to look at the situations where he looked to score, but didn't want to force a shot up because of the defense and passed it. You have to look at if he was struggling to find rhythm. You have to look at the adjustments the defense made and if he had a counter to it (more often than not we've seen that he doesn't). You have to look at the garbage points he scored when the defense relaxed. The list goes on.

You can't just look at the box score stats, and automatically come to a conclusion either way. This is the very reason why I want to get rid of the box score. Folk let it govern how they view the game far too much, that they can't think for themselves. But you're lying to yourself if you think his effectiveness doesn't decrease drastically in the playoffs, when he no longer can get into rhythm or maintain it with foul calls or spamming his name on easy scoring opportunities to get going and score at a regular rate. There's a reason why he has these all-time horrible collapses regularly in pivotal moments/games in the postseason. They're not just bad games that every star player has, they are outright terrible. And once you investigate further, you can see why."

/

"Of course, he's still going to have the odd high-scoring game where he puts up points, due to the volume of shots he takes and how much he dominates the ball. He's not going to score a low amount of points in every single playoff game. But his game will always rear its ugly head eventually. The moment teams limit his easy scoring opportunities (because defenses gameplan and focus more in the postseason) he struggles to score at a regular rate, his efficiency drops and he struggles to get back into rhythm because the refs are less likely to call those fake-ass fouls that he gets during the regular season. He's developed such a bad habit of looking for foul calls instead of looking to score that he can't break out of it in the playoffs, because his head and skillset won't let him.

He drove to the rim 10.7 times per game and had 10.9 FTA in the regular season
He drove to the rim 15.5 times per game but only had 10.5 FTA in the postseason,
He drove nearly 50% more in the postseason but still had less free throw attempts

Now explain to me how he drove to the rim 50% more in the playoffs, yet still averaged less free throw attempts?

His FG% in the regular season was 44%
His FG% in the postseason was 41%

His 3-pt% in the regular season was 34%
His 3-pt% in the postseason was 27%

He had 11.2 assists and 5.7 turnovers in the regular season, controlling the ball for 8.9 minutes per game
He had 8.5 assists and 5.4 turnovers in the postseason, controlling the ball for 9.4 minutes per game

In the postseason (compared to the regular season) he scored fewer points on far worse efficiency, less assists but still the same amount of turnovers, despite having the ball in his hands for longer. And that's just looking at the box score numbers, the further we break down his game past the surface numbers it looks even worse. And this is all on the background of his disposition as a player."

 

[McPiff]

I mean i can understand why some of y'all would think otherwise but at least try to bring up some valid points instead of bringing up some bytchmade shyt and arguments that hasnt been valid for half a decade now

I’m a Bron stan

If you legitimately think lebron is a better offensive weapon than KD, you don't know basketball. Like saying Lonzo is a great offensive player cause he can pass. nikka please

Breh your comparaison proves that you don't know basketball. This dude said lonzo

I'm not even the biggest Bron Stan out there but I thought this was common knowledge


Surprised to see so many of u disagreeing with Max. I can't see Durant putting the 2017 Cavs on his back and taking them to the finals dolo

For most of these dudes offense is scoring and dribble moves. I saw someone bring up the "eye test" argument

The Spurs gameplan for stopping Bron in the 2013/14 Finals was just daring this guy to shoot wide open jumpshots. KD would've swept the Spurs in both Finals if he was given similar treatment.

And bron killed the spurs in 2013 with jumpers in the game 7. That point has been sealed ever since.

Ppl only use stats & not the eye test

LBJ is the better driver & passer, sure

KD has better footwork, better handle, better mid-range, better long range, and more offensive moves in his arsenal

Eye test



KD is obviously the better shooter. Their efficiency is nearly identical. Bron is better at everything else on offense.




The NBA IS BYKE

 

[Controversy]

If one person can do something a couple different ways and achieve the same if not better results than the person doing it 10 different ways do you really care?

That's the way a novice thinks

In basketball you need diff weapons to negate the def

Teams will sag off of LBJ all game...they don't do that w/ KD bc they know he will light it up

The other thing is KD is so much better off the ball it helps offensive chemistry

Watching LBJ led teams is not good b-ball bc he doesn't trust his teammates to create

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

That's the way a novice thinks

In basketball you need diff weapons to negate the def

Teams will sag off of LBJ all game...they don't do that w/ KD bc they know he will light it up

The other thing is KD is so much better off the ball it helps offensive chemistry

Watching LBJ led teams is not good b-ball bc he doesn't trust his teammates to create

Lol the alternate reality takes.

Bron went to the Finals for a decade because LBJ-led teams is not good b-ball. Got it.

 

[AlainLocke]

Except for the fact you specifically said - "If we were talking about late game or big game performance...that's different...", and I even referenced that statement in my post when replying - "Isn't the best measurement of someone's ability in a "big game" [playoff] circumstance?"; don't shamelessly shift the focus from what I quoted (in bold) you saying and even clarified with playoff circumstance/performance.

Not to mention the "clutch" period of a game is reflective of offensive talent and ability to generate points - the tempo/pace is slowed right down (less opportunities for fast break points/cherry-picking) and defenses are more tuned in than any other interval of the game, which needless to say, brings a player's flaws to the surface.

Now onto the "big game performances"/playoffs:

"Over the last 4-5 seasons, Harden's been exposed in a playoff environment, over and over, and over, and over, and over again. Yet folk still couldn't see (or didn't want to acknowledge, in some cases) that his game was nothing more than slapstick; a farcical legerdemain act. Folk still couldn't see a player whose lack of skillset was covered up by eating off easy scoring opportunities and hamming for foul calls during the regular season. Folk still couldn't see a player whose slothful, gutless temperament was reflected by his tendency to take shortcuts and exhaust loopholes, on both ends of the floor. The postseason climate peeled back his game to its very core, exposing it to the rays of teams' game-planning, concentrated defensive schemes and the allowment of more contact. From fans, to current/ex-players, to arbiters/analysts - everyone was fooled. Everyone.

As the #1 option he's shot 41% from the field, and averaged nearly 5 turnovers per game over the last 4-5 postseasons. With some historically WOAT playoff performances along the way, particularly in pivotal games/moments:

10 points on 18% shooting, 6 turnovers vs Spurs '17 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1a)
13 points on 17% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Spurs '17 playoffs
16 points on 31% shooting, 7 turnovers vs Thunder '17 playoffs
18 points on 30% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Warriors '16 playoffs
14 points on 18% shooting, 13 turnovers vs Warriors '15 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1b)
23 points on 25% shooting vs Clippers '15 playoffs (watched his team overcome a 19-pt deficit from the bench in an elimination game)
27 points on 28% shooting, 4 turnovers vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
17 points on 33% shooting vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
18 points on 31% shooting, 5 turnovers vs T'Blazers '14 playoffs
20 points on 30% shooting vs Thunder '13 playoffs
15 points on 33% shooting, 10 turnovers vs Thunder '13 playoffs (WOAT playoff performance 1c)
26 points on 31% shooting, 4 turnovers vs Thunder '13 playoffs (elimination game)"

This then continued on into the '18 postseason where he struggled to shoot above 40% in every single series (plus averaged four turnovers a game), and like many times before ended up shooting his team into a hole (during a close-out game against the Jazz), where he needed his teammates to bail him out.

Look at his efficiency in the postseason compared to the best high-volume scorers on actual field goals (excluding FT):

Harden - 19 ppg on 48 eFG%
Curry - 21.7 ppg on 57 eFG%
LeBron - 22 ppg on 53 eFG%
Durant - 21.6 ppg on 52 eFG%

Fewer points on considerably worse efficiency, especially in comparison to Curry.

The problem with this is, it's been evident for a while now that he can get away with this con during the regular season, by manipulating shyt to go in his favor, and capitalizing on that through monopolizing the ball - it's only natural someone in his position (playing in the most box-score friendly system in modern NBA history) with his style of play can put up false readings of his ability if you go by his box score #s (which is one of the many reasons why the traditional box score needs to be abandoned altogether, because it's not a direct reflection of performance, skillset and impact).

Furthermore, you should NOT be looking at the box score to determine a player's ability at generating points - it's absent of role, time of possession (which Harden is near the top in every single season), offensive scheme (again, in the most box-score friendly system), and style of play.

Nah, the dumb shyt is YOU only caring about #s, and yet you still can't even get that right -

"He averages more minutes in the playoffs (since going to Houston), if we were to break it down on an equal minute basis (per 36):

Regular season:

26.3 ppg on 17.4 shots, 44% shooting (51 eFG%), 5.7 rebounds, 7.3 assists - 9.7 FTA, 4.2 turnovers

Playoffs:

25.4 ppg on 17.8 shots, 41% shooting (48 eFG%), 5.2 rebounds, 6.2 assists - 9.4 FTA, 4.3 turnovers

2017 Regular season:

28.8 ppg on 18.7 shots, 44% shooting (52 eFG%), 8.1 rebounds, 11.1 assists - 10.8 FTA, 5.7 turnovers

2017 Playoffs:

27.7 ppg on 19.3 shots, 41% shooting (48 eFG%), 5.3 rebounds, 8.2 assists - 10.2 FTA, 5.2 turnovers

That's a notable drop across the board. But again, you can't just go by the box score #s, you have to take into account how many times he drives regular season v. postseason (he drove 15.5 times per game but only had 10.5 FTA in the '17 postseason, whereas he drove 10.7 times per game and had 10.9 FTA in the regular season - he drove the ball nearly 50% more in the postseason but still had less free throw attempts). You also have to take into account how long he handled the ball for (he had a higher time of possession in the '17 playoffs compared to the regular season). You have to look at the calls/non-calls throughout the games, and what kind of shots he took - I mean I saw him complain about 7-8 times at least throughout the 11 playoff games he played, and I barely saw him complain much throughout the regular season. Certainly not to the same degree he did in the playoffs. You have to look at what moments in the game he scored points and against what kind of defensive coverage. You have to look at the situations where he looked to score, but didn't want to force a shot up because of the defense and passed it. You have to look at if he was struggling to find rhythm. You have to look at the adjustments the defense made and if he had a counter to it (more often than not we've seen that he doesn't). You have to look at the garbage points he scored when the defense relaxed. The list goes on.

You can't just look at the box score stats, and automatically come to a conclusion either way. This is the very reason why I want to get rid of the box score. Folk let it govern how they view the game far too much, that they can't think for themselves. But you're lying to yourself if you think his effectiveness doesn't decrease drastically in the playoffs, when he no longer can get into rhythm or maintain it with foul calls or spamming his name on easy scoring opportunities to get going and score at a regular rate. There's a reason why he has these all-time horrible collapses regularly in pivotal moments/games in the postseason. They're not just bad games that every star player has, they are outright terrible. And once you investigate further, you can see why."

/

"Of course, he's still going to have the odd high-scoring game where he puts up points, due to the volume of shots he takes and how much he dominates the ball. He's not going to score a low amount of points in every single playoff game. But his game will always rear its ugly head eventually. The moment teams limit his easy scoring opportunities (because defenses gameplan and focus more in the postseason) he struggles to score at a regular rate, his efficiency drops and he struggles to get back into rhythm because the refs are less likely to call those fake-ass fouls that he gets during the regular season. He's developed such a bad habit of looking for foul calls instead of looking to score that he can't break out of it in the playoffs, because his head and skillset won't let him.

He drove to the rim 10.7 times per game and had 10.9 FTA in the regular season
He drove to the rim 15.5 times per game but only had 10.5 FTA in the postseason,
He drove nearly 50% more in the postseason but still had less free throw attempts

Now explain to me how he drove to the rim 50% more in the playoffs, yet still averaged less free throw attempts?

His FG% in the regular season was 44%
His FG% in the postseason was 41%

His 3-pt% in the regular season was 34%
His 3-pt% in the postseason was 27%

He had 11.2 assists and 5.7 turnovers in the regular season, controlling the ball for 8.9 minutes per game
He had 8.5 assists and 5.4 turnovers in the postseason, controlling the ball for 9.4 minutes per game

In the postseason (compared to the regular season) he scored fewer points on far worse efficiency, less assists but still the same amount of turnovers, despite having the ball in his hands for longer. And that's just looking at the box score numbers, the further we break down his game past the surface numbers it looks even worse. And this is all on the background of his disposition as a player."

Every player numbers drop in the post season and they play more minutes...

That's nothing new...

All you doing is saying...but in the post season he doesn't have the same stats and it gets hard....

That happens for everyone...

Curry ain't the same in the post season either lol

Karl Malone wasnt the same in the post season

MJ ain't the same...

LeBron ain't the same


And James Harden game is based on free throws and off the dribble volume 3s...his eFG isn't gonna be that great

Lol and I like how you gonna ignore actual free throw rate ststandcompare drives and free throw attempts

Then you wanna avoid using True Shooting percentage bevsbec bitll ruin your bullshyt argument...

That's like people who try to use FG to rate Chauncey Billups scoring ability...gotta be disingenuous or ignorant

Your shyt is still based on silly narratives about clutch and whistles and big game moments and shyt I don't care for

Man still legit the one of the greatest offensive players to ever play

Man is gonna drop 27 and 11 in a season and lead the league in assist...and lead the league in scoring and then bring up some..."But it's not the same in the regular season..."

No shyt...nobody expects it to be...lol

 

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Lol the alternate reality takes.

Bron went to the Finals for a decade because LBJ-led teams is not good b-ball. Got it.

He went to the finals bc his teams were more talented most times

Do you think he would have made 8 straight finals in the WC?

His win loss record in the finals, I mean by games and not series, is indicative of how ass Bron ball is.

If you protect the rim well and the three point line, more times than not you will kill him & his teams

 

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He went to the finals bc his teams were more talented most times

Do you think he would have made 8 straight finals in the WC?

His win loss record in the finals, I mean by games and not series, is indicative of how ass Bron ball is.

If you protect the rim well and the three point line, more times than not you will kill him & his teams

Nice analysis. If you can stop da other team from making 3s and other shots you will win da game. :jbfoil:

Yes he was making the Finals in the West. If not for the Agenda he has no peers.

 

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Nice analysis. If you can stop da other team from making 3s and other shots you will win da game. :jbfoil:

Yes he was making the Finals in the West. If not for the Agenda he has no peers.

You are deflecting...make him beat you from in between was the Spurs blueprint & it works against him & his team hence shooting 36% outside of 3 ft

You didn't answer the question. Does he make the Finals 8 straight times in the West?