Media Perception: J.Cole vs. Kendrick Lamar
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Jen The Prude
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Um, Drake is poppin' so....
Also for someone who isn't poppin, J.Cole's latest effort is gonna sell more than Kendrick's overrated and overhyped stale snooze fest.
I didn't say all are but there are enough of them out there. If you're black and complaining it's too black then you're a c00n.
Jen The Prude
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You obviously missed my point. Here you are calling others delusional when you yourself are delusional for thinking cacs are concerned that Kendrick's album is too black.
Kendrick is rapping about the worst aspects of 'the black experience'. Cacs are loving it. The feel of the album is stale though and that's where most of the complaints fall.
I have actually read and heard white people who say its too black. That's why I said there are enough of them out there in the quote you posted. Just because you haven't heard it from white people doesn't mean it's not true.
Hyperion
Superstar
I'm a bigger Cole stan than I am a Kendrick stan, so despite the OP usually being on some Anti-Kendrick shyt... I can see where they're going with this. I think the reason why Kendrick is bigger than Cole is the push behind him, the Dre co-sign, and the fact that Kendrick's bodies of work sound more expansive, cohesive and detailed. It also might have to do with how people see Cole as 'boring' too, but I think when they say that, they mean he's too ordinary. I personally think him being so connected with the ordinary is his strong suit, that's why people love him, and that's why he's about to get his first Platinum rap album.
Jen The Prude
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Born Sinner didn't go plat? I find that hard to believe.
Mike Otherz
All Star
Hyperion
Superstar
Nope. As of September 2013, it's sold only 599k copies. It hasn't been updated since, but I doubt much changed.
Source: http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist="BORN+SINNER"
You got it buddy. J.Cole is perceived to be a mediocre artist because of his intimidating communications(*If you think I talk about Kendrick too much, why are you here? Just hit that 'ignore' button*
For the rest you, continue on...
I think that we can all agree that J.Cole and Kendrick are viewed as the new school faces of conscious rap. However, I do think that when it comes to the media (white media especially), J.Cole is slightly overlooked and his music is judged harder than Kendrick's.
Why is this, I thought. And then it kinda hit me:
You see, unlike many rappers, J.Cole actually graduated college. And unlike most people, he actually graduated with HONORS. There's nothing about J.Cole that can make cacs feel inherently superior to him and so he's ignored or slightly brought down the size.
With Kendrick, it's different. While he is seemingly smart (the imagery in many of his songs are on point) and non-threatening, Kendrick is still hood - openly admitting to feeling awkward and insecure around white people. When he is rapping about drugs, uncouth friends and relatives, and the hardships of growing up in the ghetto, cacs get a perverse pleasure from that shyt. It makes them feel better about themselves. And so they place Kendrick on a pedestal and overrate everything single thing he does without (I suspect) even bothering to truly listen to the music.
I was really surprised when many people described TBAP as 'unapologetically black' while touting positive mainstream reviews of the album without a hint of irony.
If an album is unapologetically black and rages against the machine, shouldn't it make white people uncomfortable? Has anyone stopped to think why cacs are supporting music that supposedly low-key bashes them?
Of course, people here rarely see the forest for the trees.
) degree and not the simple fact that he has released mediocre album after album 
Only place Kendrick is better/more popular than Cole is on TheColi.com
FrederickDouglas
All Star
So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street? / When gang banging make me kill a nikka blacker than me? / Hypocrite!
"In this final couplet, Kendrick Lamar employs a rhetorical move akin to—and in its way even more devastating than—Common’s move in the last line of “I Used to Love H.E.R.”: snapping an entire lyric into place with a surprise revelation of something hitherto left unspoken. In “H.E.R.”, Common reveals the identity of the song’s “her”—hip hop itself—forcing the listener to re-evaluate the entire meaning and intent of the song. Here, Kendrick Lamar reveals the nature of the enigmatic hypocrisy that the speaker has previously confessed to three times in the song without elaborating: that he grieved over the murder of Trayvon Martin when he himself has been responsible for the death of a young black man. Common’s “her” is not a woman but hip hop itself; Lamar’s “I” is not (or not only) Kendrick Lamar but his community as a whole. This revelation forces the listener to a deeper and broader understanding of the song’s “you”, and to consider the possibility that “hypocrisy” is, in certain situations, a much more complicated moral position than is generally allowed, and perhaps an inevitable one."
That's a cac's interpretation of K Dot's words and it's the most popular one.
In this scenario, by rallying around Trayvon or Mike Brown, the black "community as a whole" are labeled hypocrites. The quintessential "What about black on black crime?"
So, no, this album is not unapologetically black. Yes, Kendrick has a machine behind him and cacs love him.
The difference between J Cole and K Dot is J Cole has never rapped anything so ignorant or destructive.
"In this final couplet, Kendrick Lamar employs a rhetorical move akin to—and in its way even more devastating than—Common’s move in the last line of “I Used to Love H.E.R.”: snapping an entire lyric into place with a surprise revelation of something hitherto left unspoken. In “H.E.R.”, Common reveals the identity of the song’s “her”—hip hop itself—forcing the listener to re-evaluate the entire meaning and intent of the song. Here, Kendrick Lamar reveals the nature of the enigmatic hypocrisy that the speaker has previously confessed to three times in the song without elaborating: that he grieved over the murder of Trayvon Martin when he himself has been responsible for the death of a young black man. Common’s “her” is not a woman but hip hop itself; Lamar’s “I” is not (or not only) Kendrick Lamar but his community as a whole. This revelation forces the listener to a deeper and broader understanding of the song’s “you”, and to consider the possibility that “hypocrisy” is, in certain situations, a much more complicated moral position than is generally allowed, and perhaps an inevitable one."
That's a cac's interpretation of K Dot's words and it's the most popular one.
In this scenario, by rallying around Trayvon or Mike Brown, the black "community as a whole" are labeled hypocrites. The quintessential "What about black on black crime?"
So, no, this album is not unapologetically black. Yes, Kendrick has a machine behind him and cacs love him.
The difference between J Cole and K Dot is J Cole has never rapped anything so ignorant or destructive.
Mikael Blowpiff
#LosIngobernabrehs
K Dots respectability politics has better production so him. Savior complex and all.
which explains good kid outselling any cole album thus far
some of yall faggits just live in different universes i swear
Jen The Prude
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So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street? / When gang banging make me kill a nikka blacker than me? / Hypocrite!
"In this final couplet, Kendrick Lamar employs a rhetorical move akin to—and in its way even more devastating than—Common’s move in the last line of “I Used to Love H.E.R.”: snapping an entire lyric into place with a surprise revelation of something hitherto left unspoken. In “H.E.R.”, Common reveals the identity of the song’s “her”—hip hop itself—forcing the listener to re-evaluate the entire meaning and intent of the song. Here, Kendrick Lamar reveals the nature of the enigmatic hypocrisy that the speaker has previously confessed to three times in the song without elaborating: that he grieved over the murder of Trayvon Martin when he himself has been responsible for the death of a young black man. Common’s “her” is not a woman but hip hop itself; Lamar’s “I” is not (or not only) Kendrick Lamar but his community as a whole. This revelation forces the listener to a deeper and broader understanding of the song’s “you”, and to consider the possibility that “hypocrisy” is, in certain situations, a much more complicated moral position than is generally allowed, and perhaps an inevitable one."
That's a cac's interpretation of K Dot's words and it's the most popular one.
In this scenario, by rallying around Trayvon or Mike Brown, the black "community as a whole" are labeled hypocrites. The quintessential "What about black on black crime?"
So, no, this album is not unapologetically black. Yes, Kendrick has a machine behind him and cacs love him.
The difference between J Cole and K Dot is J Cole has never rapped anything so ignorant or destructive.
I wish I had reps to give because this post was A+.
