Melos quote sums up everything wrong with this generation

[Jesus Is Lord]

I said Melo was 100% right that people want to play with great players. You disagreed. I used Kobe as an example. You said that Kobe never wanted to join another team to win rings. I cited how he out of his own mouth said that if he got traded he preferred 3 teams which included Phoenix & San Antonio, teams that were already established and had stars on them, with one of them already being a championship team.

But you were wrong breh. Melo didn't speak for 100% of the players, Kobe never wanted to form a SUPER TEAM or play with his FRIENDS for rings (which is the topic), Kobe and Tim joining up wouldn't have been a super team just a dynamic duo (I used Mailman and Stockton to prove my point), Bulls didn't have a super team until......Rodman got there. You were wrong on all fronts. Also you keep bringing up Melo's point when he crushed his own point with his actions by NOT going to a team when he was a FREE AGENT and taking the money. Why can't you see that Melo killed his whole spiel by doing the opposite? He could've went to Chicago, Miami, Cavs, or to any other highly contending team who was on the cusp of taking it all.....he chose the depleted Knicks for the $$$, bottom line.

 

[SchoolboyC]

But you were wrong breh. Melo didn't speak for 100% of the players, Kobe never wanted to form a SUPER TEAM or play with his FRIENDS for rings (which is the topic), Kobe and Tim joining up wouldn't have been a super team just a dynamic duo (I used Mailman and Stockton to prove my point), Bulls didn't have a super team until......Rodman got there. You were wrong on all fronts. Also you keep bringing up Melo's point when he crushed his own point with his actions by NOT going to a team when he was a FREE AGENT and taking the money. Why can't you see that Melo killed his whole spiel by doing the opposite? He could've went to Chicago, Miami, Cavs, or to any other highly contending team who was on the cusp of taking it all.....he chose the depleted Knicks for the $$$, bottom line.

For one, just cause a player wants to get paid doesn't mean he doesn't want to play with good teammates. It's possible to want both. Maybe, just maybe he thought he could get paid and the Knicks could assemble a great team around him. But obviously now he sees that he fukked up and that's not happening.

Super team is a subjective term. There is no textbook definition to what is or isn't. Obviously to you, it means 3 or 4 stars being on one team. To me, arguably two top 5 players all-time on the same team, while in their primes, is a super team.

I said that Melo was right that all great players want to play with other great players. That is a fact. How they choose to assemble the team (Waiting on the GM, doing it themselves, etc.) is a different conversation.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

For one, just cause a player wants to get paid doesn't mean he doesn't want to play with good teammates. It's possible to want both. Maybe, just maybe he thought he could get paid and the Knicks could assemble a great team around him. But obviously now he sees that he fukked up and that's not happening.

Super team is a subjective term. There is no textbook definition to what is or isn't. Obviously to you, it means 3 or 4 stars being on one team. To me, arguably two top 5 players all-time on the same team, while in their primes, is a super team.

I said that Melo was right that all great players want to play with other great players. That is a fact. How they choose to assemble the team (Waiting on the GM, doing it themselves, etc.) is a different conversation.

Regardless, he can't preach what he's saying and not take up the opportunity to go play with his superstar friends when it presented itself.

No one calls two superstars on the same team a super team, come on breh you can't be serious. A super team consist of three or more stars in their primes ala the Heat who planned way ahead to team up or the 80's Lakers who came together through drafts, trades and growth. Two stars are called duos, tandems or Batman and Robin. You know what a super team is.

No you said that Melo speaks for 100% of the players who feel the same way he does, by joining with their friends to play and everyone doesn't feel that way. You or Melo can't speak for them.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

But you were wrong breh. Melo didn't speak for 100% of the players, Kobe never wanted to form a SUPER TEAM or play with his FRIENDS for rings (which is the topic), Kobe and Tim joining up wouldn't have been a super team just a dynamic duo (I used Mailman and Stockton to prove my point), Bulls didn't have a super team until......Rodman got there. You were wrong on all fronts. Also you keep bringing up Melo's point when he crushed his own point with his actions by NOT going to a team when he was a FREE AGENT and taking the money. Why can't you see that Melo killed his whole spiel by doing the opposite? He could've went to Chicago, Miami, Cavs, or to any other highly contending team who was on the cusp of taking it all.....he chose the depleted Knicks for the $$$, bottom line.

Bruh, why do you keep hitting hitting the money angle as if Melo is some sort of pariah for recognizing his worth, and earning his market value? Do you make these sorts of demands for white owners?

The NBA has created a socialistic league, where salaries are artificially depressed thru a "capping" system, so that players dont earn *too much*, and owners dont go rogue and start outspending one another. You're saying on top of this structure Melo should accommodate the NBA further and take substantially less than he's worth?

Melo would have had to have taken about 50 million off of his potential earnings in order to play with a gimpy kneed Rose in Chicago. Thats ridiculous. Besides, its not just Melo's call. Doing so will potentially disrupt the pay structure, so that owners can justify paying other players less than their value ("why should I pay you more than Melo when you're not as good?"), which is why player's associations strongly forbid against players taking far less than they're worth.

Regardless, if a player decides to take less than thats his decision, but people shouldnt pressure him to do so. The idea that a player has to choose between fair market compensation and "winning" is absurd. The knicks and nuggets not building contenders around him is on them. Not him earning his market value.

At any rate, you seem to have a pretty fierce anti-melo agenda so Im sure logical arguments arent gunna work here.

 

[SchoolboyC]

Regardless, he can't preach what he's saying and not take up the opportunity to go play with his superstar friends when it presented itself.

No one calls two superstars on the same team a super team, come on breh you can't be serious. A super team consist of three or more stars in their primes ala the Heat who planned way ahead to team up or the 80's Lakers who came together through drafts, trades and growth. Two stars are called duos, tandems or Batman and Robin. You know what a super team is.

No you said that Melo speaks for 100% of the players who feel the same way he does, by joining with their friends to play and everyone doesn't feel that way. You or Melo can't speak for them.

Again, maybe he thought he could get paid and the players would come to him, especially considering he plays in NY and Phil Jackson was taking over.. Obviously that's not happening and he probably realizes now that he messed up.

Again, super team is a subjective term. There is no textbook definition. It's just like when calling someone a superstar, there is no textbook definition to what is or isn't one. Personally, I think that a team having two arguably top 5 all-time players on the same team, while in their primes, is a super team. You don't and that's fine, it's pointless to go back and forth about that.

And when I said the 100% part I was talking specifically about people wanting to play with other great players. Maybe I didn't clarify that the way I should have

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Bruh, why do you keep hitting hitting the money angle as if Melo is some sort of pariah for recognizing his worth, and earning his market value? Do you make these sorts of demands for white owners?

The NBA has created a socialistic league, where salaries are artificially depressed thru a "capping" system, so that players dont earn *too much*, and owners dont go rogue and start outspending one another. You're saying on top of this structure Melo should accommodate the NBA further and take substantially less than he's worth?

Melo would have had to have taken about 50 million off of his potential earnings in order to play with a gimpy kneed Rose in Chicago. Thats ridiculous. Besides, its not just Melo's call. Doing so will potentially disrupt the pay structure, so that owners can justify paying other players less than their value ("why should I pay you more than Melo when you're not as good?"), which is why player's associations strongly forbid against players taking far less than they're worth.

Regardless, if a player decides to take less than thats his decision, but people shouldnt pressure him to do so. The idea that a player has to choose between fair market compensation and "winning" is absurd. The knicks and nuggets not building contenders around him is on them. Not him earning his market value.

At any rate, you seem to have a pretty fierce anti-melo agenda so Im sure logical arguments arent gunna work here.

I hear you and agree with some points. I don't knock Melo for recognizing his worth, I don't know where you're getting that from because no where have I commented on his worth, don't put that on me. Next, the white owners get no love from me at all, does that answer your insulting question? I'm pro-player and I'll never waver, this Melo quote doesn't change my stance, I'm addressing what he said and HIS decision to stay on the Knicks nothing else. Next, Melo had his chance to join his friends and form a super team, he didn't, HE CHOSE the max, taking a pay cut comes with the territory ask the Heat, it's just the rules he'd have to abide by, is it fair? No. Next, the Nuggets had a great team around him, they just ran into the Lakers and lost in 6 games in the WCF and he wanted out, once again HIS choice. So the Nuggets obliged. Next, stop with the fierce anti Melo nonsense, I applaud Melo and anyone who take their fate into their own hands, hence me saying numerous times in this thread "NO ONE IS WRONG ITS ALL ABOUt PREFERENCE" but I see that went over your head. If you thought you weren't going to get a logical arguement (which I've been very logical) then don't respond to me breh. Don't take some bs passive aggressive stance and expect satisfactory dialogue. We don't have to agree but don't make up nonsense and try to pin it to me like I'm hating Melo get outta here with that Raphael Saadiq looking mugfug

 

[Professor Emeritus]

“I think everybody kind of dreams and hopes that they can play with another great player, another star player. It’s a star player’s league,” Anthony said. “I think that’s what we talk about when we all get together — ‘I want to play with you, I want to play with you.’ Even here different guys say, ‘Come play with me, come play with me.’ So that’s always the mindset. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it don’t. But I think everybody that’s in my situation, that’s in my position, they all want the load off especially the older they get. Because you realize you just can’t do it all by yourself. Everybody knows that.”


This league is full of betas now

Magic Johnson never would have done that!

"I wouldn't have played here," Johnson said on the eve of Game 2 of the NBA finals between his team and the team that could have been his. "The only reason I came out was to play with Kareem and the Lakers."

Magic Johnson would have returned to Michigan State rather than play for the Chicago Bulls.

"I'd have stayed in school," he said here Tuesday, standing alone outside Gate 3 1/2 of Chicago Stadium, the house that could have been his. "A coin toss changed the course of my whole life." Chicago called heads in a 1979 coin flip with Los Angeles for the No. 1 pick in the NBA college draft. It came up tails.

Johnson signed with the Lakers after his sophomore year of college and proceeded to win five championships. The Bulls picked second, took UCLA's David Greenwood and have won no championships.

Say you would have stayed out of the entire league if you didn't get the chance to join forces with the reigning MVP and top-3 all-time great right out of the gate.


Chamberlain forced a trade so he could go to LA and join forces with Elgin Baylor and Jerry West.

Bill Russell and Larry Bird had absolutely stacked rosters full of HOFers right from the get go.

Kareem and Oscar Robertson are supposed to be two of the greatest players in history, but they both got their first ring by teaming up together. After that Kareem went 9 years without a 2nd championship until he teamed up with Magic.

Jordan did wallow on a shytty team for a while, but Pippen was drafted only 3 years after Jordan was, and it wasn't like Jordan had much of a choice before then.


Ya'all have been snorting that "magic era dust" again. The only difference between those players and today's players is that those players had FAR less power to determine their own destiny, and nostalgia. Real free agency didn't even come into the NBA until all these "heroes" were already in the league.

Now they trying to talk about shyt they were forced to do like it was noble.

They were running for the big money teams and begging for good teammates any chance they could get. They just got fewer chances.

 

[Cool Hand Luka]

2004 Pistons weren't really stacked with stars... Ben Wallace was a supreme defender and Chauncey was ballin' but...

 

[O.T.I.S.]

That Lebron Mentality fukking up the league

 

[b. woods]

Raphael Saadiq looking mugfug

 

[Gravity]

People have different understandings of this thread. We all can agree that most championship teams have 2 or more stars, what Melo is expressing comes off totally different. He's talking about players purposely wanting to join up a form a super team, totally different than what most championship teams have done.

A lot of things are different tho. Players have a lot more control and I don't see the problem with them exercising it in this way. It's like cats would rather see "super" or championship teams put together by old white men than the actual players themselves.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

A lot of things are different tho. Players have a lot more control and I don't see the problem with them exercising it in this way. It's like cats would rather see "super" or championship teams put together by old white men than the actual players themselves.

I don't mind seeing them do whatever they want, for instance when the Heat did it I didn't find problems with it. When Bron came back to Cleveland to have his way and rape Dan Gilbert I applauded Bron because he was doing what HE wanted. I don't care about owners and whenever players make them mad I'm happy. Melo had his chance and he didn't capitalize, now he's expressing how he really feels. I'm like, "well why didn't you leave Melo?". If you're going to do it then do it, if not then shut up.

 

[LV Koopa]

Exactly..... bird had McHale and Parrish because they was drafted

Kareem was a Laker all ready and Lakers drafted magic, drafted worthy, traded norm nixon for byron Scott

U didn't see all stars with 5 years already in the league running to play with Jordan , bird and magic

Magic wasn't going to leave unless he was guaranteed to go a good team. Lakers got the Worthy pick because New Orleans had no clue what they were doing and was just giving away the pick - before rules were in place to stop the stupidity. This was around the end of an era when teams would sell picks for cash because Owners had no idea how to manage team finances.

Kind of hard to "run" to play with another star when you're on of the 2 franchises that kept fleecing teams out of picks or had players that wouldn't play for anyone else.

But I guess Kareem leaving Milwaukee to join the Lakers isn't seen in the same light to you.

 

[ajnapoleon]

A lot of things are different tho. Players have a lot more control and I don't see the problem with them exercising it in this way. It's like cats would rather see "super" or championship teams put together by old white men than the actual players themselves.

Nah these fans want the players to not want anything for themselves they want these players to shut up and play for sub standard FO and coaches never put the team feet to the fire ..... Play for 10 years just to trade them to a shytter team and say it's just business .... But if the player even thinks about leaving they dis loyal .... And who shyts on them the most .... The "fans"

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Nah these fans want the players to not want anything for themselves they want these players to shut up and play for sub standard FO and coaches never put the team feet to the fire ..... Play for 10 years just to trade them to a shytter team and say it's just business .... But if the player even thinks about leaving they dis loyal .... And who shyts on them the most .... The "fans"

Where do you see this in this thread? Who is saying this? Point it out.